I'm not sure of the rule (paging @CFB_Rules ) but if you slow-mo it, Andrews is 1 yard off the LOS when Mac releases the pass.Bill Mafia folks saying (whining) the officials missed that Andrews should have been called for ineligible man downfield on this play:
It's pretty close. Didn't they pick up a flag on *that* one? (It came after the IMDF call on Love).I'm not sure of the rule (paging @CFB_Rules ) but if you slow-mo it, Andrews is 1 yard off the LOS when Mac releases the pass.
Bills fans have been whining for 20+ years about how there's an NFL conspiracy for the refs to favor the Pats. Once upon a time I had to unfollow Tim's Russert's kid on Twitter because all he did every Sunday was bitch about the refs favoring the Pats.Bill Mafia folks saying (whining) the officials missed that Andrews should have been called for ineligible man downfield on this play:
I think so.It's pretty close. Didn't they pick up a flag on *that* one? (It came after the IMDF call on Love).
I immediately made mention of Luke Russert crying on Twitter after yesterday's game. He's the worst.Bills fans have been whining for 20+ years about how there's an NFL conspiracy for the refs to favor the Pats. Once upon a time I had to unfollow Tim's Russert's kid on Twitter because all he did every Sunday was bitch about the refs favoring the Pats.
A couple years back I was pulling for that team because of how bad they've had it. But no more, they're awful.
Rule is writhing 1 yard. In this case it’s so borderline and irrelevant to the play that I fully agree it’s in the spiritI think so.
Andrews is between 1-1.5 yards downfield. Is the rule 1 yard? If so, that seems within the spirit of the rule. If the rule is past the LOS, it should have been a flag.
it's one yard. Here's the rule:I think so.
Andrews is between 1-1.5 yards downfield. Is the rule 1 yard? If so, that seems within the spirit of the rule. If the rule is past the LOS, it should have been a flag.
Yeah, it's close. I won't weep for Bills Mafia.It's 1 yard
On a scrimmage play during which a legal forward pass is thrown, an ineligible offensive player, including a T-formation quarterback, is not permitted to move more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage before the pass has been thrown.
NFL Rulebook | NFL Football Operations
EDIT: WrongAndrews' foot is behind the one yard marker on the play. The player must be ENTIRELY forward of one yard to throw the flag.
Not surprising. Like you said, very difficult to call except in the most obvious case.If you talk to NFL brass they'll tell you that IDP is by far and away the most missed call league-wide.
Sorry, this is not correct. SJH is correctIDP is treated as a "pane of glass", similar to offside. Fignernail beyond = beyond.
It's "Ineligible Downfield (on) Pass", so IDP. I dunno, I don't make up the foul codes.Just so I'm certain, we're talking IPD, not IDP, yes? Ineligible Player Downfield?
YES!Sorry, this is not correct. SJH is correct
Ahh, ok.It's "Ineligible Downfield (on) Pass", so IDP. I dunno, I don't make up the foul codes.
It's another difference between college and NFL that I didn't know until now. College treats it as a pane of glass (fingernail beyond 3 yards = you are beyond). the NFL requires the entire body. In effect that actually makes the rules more similar.YES!
Can you tell my wife?
They missed it by 13 seconds.I’m starting to wonder if Buffalo missed their window.
Yes, clearly a legal play from the still shots.Andrews' foot is behind the one yard marker on the play. The player must be ENTIRELY forward of one yard to throw the flag.
Doesn't seem like there's any guarantee that this is going to happen does it?I still think Buffalo is really dangerous when it all comes together. Allen hasn't looked totally right to me this year for the most part, but they're getting more out of 2023 Gabe Davis than last year's version, and Cook and Kincaid are both promising. Production outside of Diggs and Allen's legs has been their biggest variance the last few years and that seems at least partly solved. The defensive injuries cap their true tier 1 elite team potential, but it's not going to surprise me if they drop 40 on anyone in the playoffs. If reasonably healthy on offense I still see them as having a decent (read: less than the Chiefs, Eagles, or 9ers, but as good or better than most others) chance to go all the way.
User name checks out.It's another difference between college and NFL that I didn't know until now.
I've never understood the point of this rule either. These guys aren't eligible receivers so who really cares if they are downfield blocking or getting engaged? Offenses would have to make a decision whether it was worth it on a particular play. Defenses could identify certain actions faster, etc.I like to watch for ineligible man downfield. It's a little bit of a pet peeve. Even on tv when they are showing a play from the angle down the line of scrimmage, it's tough to see. It's kind of like calling offside in soccer where the linesman needs to watch for when the ball is kicked and whether the player is past the second last defender. I'm not surprised to hear CFB say that it's very hard to call from ground level, and that they need some presumptive principles to call it.
I feel like I see it so often and it's not called. Any time even a miniscule things to affect timing, the linesmen look like they are 4 yards down field. Some teams actually seem to coach it up pretty well, having the players run horizontal, but for the most part, if the ball is not out immediately on a screen or play to numbers at the line, there are men downfield, it seems like. The Chiefs and Bills both run a lot of those kinds of plays, and so they are good teams to watch. Once you start seeing it, it's hard to stop seeing it.
It's one of those penalties that I'm not even sure why it exists. I get it if there is a convoy that waits up and gets a head start, but most of the time the linemen are barely involved in the play.
It's part of half the rule book that I'd like to abolish.It's one of those penalties that I'm not even sure why it exists. I get it if there is a convoy that waits up and gets a head start, but most of the time the linemen are barely involved in the play.
I've been trying to get Chestnut Hill to rescind his degree for like 3+ years now, to no success. Fun fact: his draft slot was originally the Pats, that was given to the Bills for signing Gillespie.The Bills are not close to the same team without that douchebag cheap shot artist, Matt Milano. And Matt, if you’re reading this, RIP to your leg motherfucker, could not have happened to a nicer guy.
It makes no sense. What should Andrew’s do there if it was even the right call (which it wasn’t). They chose not to rush him so he should just stand there and hang out? It’s like the NFL with their bullshit rules around jumping or pushing over a defensive teammate for years yet they allow the QB sneak now with 7 players pushing the QB, the most protected person in sports and have no issue with it.It's part of half the rule book that I'd like to abolish.
These are all part of the same overall idea: They are how the defense knows which players to cover and which players they do not have to cover. Without formation rules, how do you know if the guy two spots away from the center is a tackle (who can't catch a pass) or a tight end (who can)?Rules that can be abolished:
Men downfield
Illegal motion
Illegal formation (at least the one with less than 7 players on LOS)
Defend them allThese are all part of the same overall idea: They are how the defense knows which players to cover and which players they do not have to cover. Without formation rules, how do you know if the guy two spots away from the center is a tackle (who can't catch a pass) or a tight end (who can)?
You can just watch the arena league, that's basically the rules they operate underDefend them all
Yeah, that’s one reason. I think it might cause problems for receivers too, though.If one got rid of the ineligible man downfield rule, defenders would even be more likely to get picked off during passing plays.
I'm a BC alum too, while you're there take back Romanowski's as well.I've been trying to get Chestnut Hill to rescind his degree for like 3+ years now, to no success. Fun fact: his draft slot was originally the Pats, that was given to the Bills for signing Gillespie.
It's as clear as day that it was not a penalty. Foot is behind the one yard marker as the ball leaves Mac's hand.If one got rid of the ineligible man downfield rule, defenders would even be more likely to get picked off during passing plays. Probably end up with even more illegal contact penalties as a result. As noted, there is enough offense already.
And Andrews was in legal position; it’s almost always obvious when it is called.
Good photo. In real time I thought that he was clearly downfield too early and too far, but I think it's because there's such a separation from the pocket. But I forgot to take into account that the pocket itself is quite a bit behind the LOS. So my first look at the play was deceiving me and I was wrong about it.It's as clear as day that it was not a penalty. Foot is behind the one yard marker as the ball leaves Mac's hand.
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Kind of reminded me of the play to James White in OT of the Falcons SB. Wish we’d do more of it. Stevenson is pretty good in space on these plays.Looks like a pretty damn well-executed play.
Ha. I think that was pretty clearly an attempt at a cut block to drop the DE to open the throwing lane for Mac on the screen, but clearly the LB leapt out of the way, leaving Onwenu lying on the ground. Cut blocks always leave an OL on the ground like that though.
What's wrong with that? He was sleepy and needed quick nappy to recharge.