Especially after they move EovaldiThey need to fill out their rotation somehow
Especially after they move EovaldiThey need to fill out their rotation somehow
How much does Bloom count against the luxury tax threshold?And, while we're at it, has there been any indication they're done dumping salaries?
JBJ if a contender urgently needs a CF.And, while we're at it, has there been any indication they're done dumping salaries?
There is no salary cap in baseball. There is no excuse for being cheap. We're supposed to believe that this guy who has a NASCAR team as a toy is up against some financial hardship? Own your mistakes and pay the guys who deserve it. Especially when JBJ and X are anything but cost-prohibitive.This kind of reminds me of the Pats trading Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins while keeping Dont’a. Not because they were Mookie level, but 2 years ago we had both Mookie, JBJ and Xander all on the verge of getting expensive. The assumption was Xander was gone because of Boras.
instead we kept him and likely JBJ(for now) and traded the one I expected to keep
Gonna go out on a limb here and say that Mookie isn't going to age like the guy who would drink 60 Miller Lites on cross country plane flights.And if Mookie ages like Boggs did, the Sox will have dodged a massive bullet by not signing him to a mega deal.
Spinning this a bit, but some people are happy to pack Price's bags, and Mookie could well be on the back 9 soon.Absolutely not the same reaction. People were packing Kyrie's bags and everyone knew Al was on the back 9. Not even close.
Ehhh lets see how Springer does when he doesn't know a fastball is coming down the middle of the plate.Absolutely. Much rather see if we can get Springer at 6/180 than mookie at 12/420.
I can see Springer sliding into at least a Part time DH role halfway through and staying healthy for the length of such a deal
Gotcha. Just saw he had some MLB innings and assumed.No, he should start the year in AAA. He only has about 60 IP above A ball, and we want to develop him as a starter. I'd be shocked if he starts on the MLB roster.
Price has been a roughly 2 WAR (last three years 1.5, 2.4, 2.3) guy with the Red Sox. Assuming $9M per WAR he's worth about $18M next season. So if the Sox are paying about half they're effectively subsidizing Price down to roughly market rate.I guess that is right. if you would value Price as worth a 3/48 contract right now or better this part is a net negative.
What if Price was posting a 4.50 ERA mid-season? Could he be moved or would they now be locked into that the next three years?The dodgers killed this trade. Why didn't they wait until the season? There would be more teams looking to trade.
In 2003, you think the Red Sox wouldn't have traded Hanley Ramirez and whatever the equivalent is for Maeda (for a prospect like Colby Lewis) for Pujols or A-Rod? Even if it was only for a half-season?
Baseball is a crazy game. What if SD is in contention? Or someone desperate to get that elusive title, like Cleveland or the Brewers?
I'd suspect that:Alternatively, if they only wanted to get under the tax, couldn't they have done that by just trading Price (and JBJ if that wasn't quite enough)?
TINSTAPP is a stupid philosophy. Pitching prospects break at a higher rate, sure. A really good way to never have a good young pitcher though is to adhere to TINSTAPP to the point where you never have any worthwhile pitching prospects. Maeda is going to be 32 this season, is a league average pitcher in a pitcher friendly division, and isn't even reliably for 150 IP in a season.Maeda is stupidly cheap. 12.5 total the next 4 years. Graterol is cheap too but has 9.2 IP in the majors and There Is No Such Thing As a Pitching Prospect.
No salary cap, no, but there is penalties that affect your ability to continue building the franchise.There is no salary cap in baseball. There is no excuse for being cheap. We're supposed to believe that this guy who has a NASCAR team as a toy is up against some financial hardship? Own your mistakes and pay the guys who deserve it. Especially when JBJ and X are anything but cost-prohibitive.
May he Rest In Peace.Gonna go out on a limb here and say that Mookie isn't going to age like the guy who would drink 60 Miller Lites on cross country plane flights.
They also planned for it, so that rather than trading away their best players, they in fact added Stanton going into their tax reset year.No salary cap, no, but there is penalties that affect your ability to continue building the franchise.
The Yankees did it a few years back and had a lot of players step up (Judge) so you never felt it.
My opinion is that thats kind of what the FO expected: I think they figured he’d opt out, and the previous spending freeze was a bit of a surprise …Not sure Price was "worth" the money, but he put up a 3.84 era for Boston and was absolute frigging NAILS in the 2018 playoffs to help win a WS. If you had told me that they'd get that out of him for four years and then he'd be gone, I'd have taken that.
This is fantasticI wonder if anyone has joined Price's Fortnite game to tell him
Just wait until sale starts the year 10-2 and the Yankees trade Jasson Dominguez for him...Especially after they move Eovaldi
All while maxing out at 86 on the radar gunJust wait until sale starts the year 10-2 and the Yankees trade Jasson Dominguez for him...
And whether JDM opts out after next seasonDidn't Sale make a big deal about wanting to play for a team that goes for it every year? Wonder what he thinks about all of this?
Yeah, it's pretty easy to spend other people's money.I don't care about the luxury tax. I don't know why any of you do either. Draft picks are assets, but Mookie Betts is a bigger asset than draft picks. Unless the owners' secret plan is to get under the luxury tax so they can pay Mookie as a free agent, then this is a cash grab by the owners, who are swimming in money. In terms of early career WAR, Boggs is a good comp to Mookie. The big difference to me as a fan is Mookie is a great but also likable player. It's refreshing to root for a world-class talent who actually seems like a good dude. Boggs was always a complete douche.
Graterol averaged 5.1 IP per start in AA as a 19 year old in 2018. Put up very good peripheral numbers to boot. I'm not sure he profiles as a reliever if he can move beyond the early career health issues.the downside on Graterol is he profiles more as a reliever. but that's technically the most likely result of every prospect
Bloom chose his pitcher, let's see if he's right
This reference is extremely underrated. Well doneMay he Rest In Peace.
Yeah, they did a great job cutting dead weight and restocking the system. That much I agree with.No salary cap, no, but there is penalties that affect your ability to continue building the franchise.
The Yankees did it a few years back and had a lot of players step up (Judge) so you never felt it.
If that happens, the Sox payroll right now would be around $115 in 2021 before arb raises and $96 million in 2022.And whether JDM opts out after next season
From the piece on Verdugo in that article:
Playing in Boston and being perceived as Mookie Betts' replacement is a tough spot for a kid with supposed maturity issues. That said, the fans and media should be very patient with him.While Verdugo’s talent is undeniable, his maturity and effort have long drawn scorn from coaches, scouts and even his own teammates, such as when Rich Hill harangued him in full view of reporters in the clubhouse. Verdugo will replace Betts as the Red Sox’s everyday right fielder, and his makeup will be put to the test in Boston.
Unless he signs an extension with the Dodgers the Sox are going to have the same chance to get Mookie beyond 2020 as they would have had if they hadn’t traded him.Yeah, they did a great job cutting dead weight and restocking the system. That much I agree with.
It's hard to believe that the 2nd best position player in baseball is someone who is, on the net, costing a penalty to the team regardless of anything else going on with the franchise. The cost is only relative to what the owner is willing to eat when he makes mistakes. The part that's hard to swallow is how far this hand was from actually being forced.
For example - do you really think we are likely to re-sign Betts now like the Yankees did with Chapman? That ship has almost definitely sailed.
Hindsight being 20/20 and all that, but it sure looks now that Al was on the back 2 when the Celts let him walk.Spinning this a bit, but some people are happy to pack Price's bags, and Mookie could well be on the back 9 soon.
Yes, I think we have as good a chance if not better than we did before. Betts was always going to sign with the highest bidder. Resetting the luxury tax penalty this year makes offering that kind of contract this offseason a lot more viable than if we'd have to pay $1.50 for every $1 we gave Mookie, which is exactly what the case would be without this move. Actually, that may understate it given we might also hit the surtax for being at least $20 million over the threshold, so make that $1.62 for every $1 we would have given Mookie.Yeah, they did a great job cutting dead weight and restocking the system. That much I agree with.
It's hard to believe that the 2nd best position player in baseball is someone who is, on the net, costing a penalty to the team regardless of anything else going on with the franchise. The cost is only relative to what the owner is willing to eat when he makes mistakes. The part that's hard to swallow is how far this hand was from actually being forced.
For example - do you really think we are likely to re-sign Betts now like the Yankees did with Chapman? That ship has almost definitely sailed.
You expect fans and media to be patient with a guy that might have been involved in a sexual assault of a minor and is replacing Mookie Betts?From the piece on Verdugo in that article:
Playing in Boston and being perceived as Mookie Betts' replacement is a tough spot for a kid with supposed maturity issues. That said, the fans and media should be very patient with him.
Cots has them at $137 next year and $118 the year after. Those numbers include Price at $32m. If they save $16m on Price and $19m on JD doesn’t that get them to $102m and $83m?If that happens, the Sox payroll right now would be around $115 in 2021 before arb raises and $96 million in 2022.
I’m pretty confident it’s sarcasm.You expect fans and media to be patient with a guy that might have been involved in a sexual assault of a minor and is replacing Mookie Betts?
I get the logic from the very good post from Drek717 above, but what I don't get are all the billionaire-defenders in here. Henry has made $2.5 BILLION on the value of the franchise alone (ignoring any year-to-year profits). No one needs to defend him.Yeah, it's pretty easy to spend other people's money.
Sorry. Meter not working. Carry on.I’m pretty confident it’s sarcasm.
This theory works great assuming Mookie Betts will never age and you can keep him forever.I don't care about the luxury tax. I don't know why any of you do either. Draft picks are assets, but Mookie Betts is a bigger asset than draft picks. Unless the owners' secret plan is to get under the luxury tax so they can pay Mookie as a free agent, then this is a cash grab by the owners, who are swimming in money. In terms of early career WAR, Boggs is a good comp to Mookie. The big difference to me as a fan is Mookie is a great but also likable player. It's refreshing to root for a world-class talent who actually seems like a good dude. Boggs was always a complete douche.
what JD said
You have to look at the 40 man roster CBT payroll part. They are currently at 151 and 133 with the full Price contract.Cots has them at $137 next year and $118 the year after. Those numbers include Price at $32m. If they save $16m on Price and $19m on JD doesn’t that get them to $102m and $83m?
Ugh. I see what you mean. I had heard vague stuff about "off the field issues" but I thought it was maybe smoking weed and missing curfew or something. This is bad.So, I’ve been doing some reading up on Verdugo in the other thread. Is this a guy we want wearing the laundry?
It wasn't clear but JCizzle is correct. Were it not for the story that Laddie posted, I might almost feel sorry for this kid. Talk about walking into a lions den...Sorry. Meter not working. Carry on.
I was just over there as well and read the blog post. That, plus what @DeJesus Built My Hotrod posted, makes me think this will make it easier to invest less time in the Sox than I normally would. But I gave up on the Celts last year (all-in this season with NBA TV and watching most every game) so I am much less about the laundry as I get older and much more about how fun it is rooting for a group of guys to succeed.So, I’ve been doing some reading up on Verdugo in the other thread. Is this a guy we want wearing the laundry?
The situation is the same, but it's a lot easier to get a guy back on a 5/86 deal than on a 12/420 one (or wherever the Mookie contract ends up being).For example - do you really think we are likely to re-sign Betts now like the Yankees did with Chapman? That ship has almost definitely sailed.
Preemptive sour grapes?All while maxing out at 86 on the radar gun
Aha. Got it.You have to look at the 40 man roster CBT payroll part. They are currently at 151 and 133 with the full Price contract.
mind posting the values?Jesus, I get off the internet for three hours and this happens.
I have a feeling some people are going to put out a contract on me for mentioning this, but the good ol' trade simulator app says that Bloom is cleaning up here, and the Dodgers are taking a bath (Twins are mildly overpaying, which makes sense when you trade future for now). That certainly jibes with the big Price subsidy.