How could a suspension be coming? The Astros part of the investigation is concluded and MLB has said no players are being punished. This was all about the cloud that would be hanging over the team all year if he stayed, which is the last thing the Mets need.Beltran and the Mets must have known that a suspension was coming?
He's not a player now. I would bet that would make a difference. The MLBPA can't defend Beltran now.How could a suspension be coming? The Astros part of the investigation is concluded and MLB has said no players are being charged. This was all about the cloud that would be hanging over the team all year if he stayed, which is the last thing the Mets need.
The Astros part of the investigation is done, penalties have been handed down.He's not a player now. I would bet that would make a difference. The MLBPA can't defend Beltran now.
That's a fair point.The Astros part of the investigation is done, penalties have been handed down.
Really? I don't think the Red Sox need much help in that department.I wish Boston had a second team like the Mets so they could understand how ridiculously hilarious it is to see the Mets constantly in the middle of some absurd drama.
You’re taking the astros job.Give the job to me --- I will turn the Mets around.
360 degrees?Give the job to me --- I will turn the Mets around.
Haven’t the Astros been punished enough?
Is he that delicate? Constant questions? After a few weeks there wouldn't be any. My God.Lots of insight into this on Twitter now that it has happened, Heyman's posts are as good as any.
"Mets felt the positive perception had turned negative and the focus would have been on what went on in Houston. Understandably so."
"Team officials talked about the Beltran situation long into last night, and while they slept on it, the decision seemed obvious by last night. They talked to Beltran and while there were voices in his corner, ultimately they didn’t believe he could stand up to constant questions."
"The phrasing “stepped down” is really just a nicer spin. He was going to be let go."
Perhaps he is/was going to be suspended for the Yankees part of the investigation, where he was a special advisor.The Astros part of the investigation is done, penalties have been handed down.
Don't count your chickensI wish Boston had a second team like the Mets so they could understand how ridiculously hilarious it is to see the Mets constantly in the middle of some absurd drama.
You do realize the Sox fired Cora for what he did with the Astros, which the Sox had nothing to do with?WOW. LOL at the Mets. They had NOTHING to do with this at all and now they get completely screwed out of their manager due to stuff that happened on other teams.
FWIW:Perhaps he is/was going to be suspended for the Yankees part of the investigation, where he was a special advisor.
Yes, because there's no way to watch a game on camera in the stands and find a method to communicate with the players."When Beltran stayed for Yankees games last year, he often watched from the stands with a friend, not in the clubhouse."
I mean, they could just ask Cora what he meant, no?Video could easily be talking pitch tipping/legal sign stealing.
Are you positive about that? Are you positive that they don't have the current investigation of the Sox in mind as well? At least a little?You do realize the Sox fired Cora for what he did with the Astros, which the Sox had nothing to do with?
Huh? Stanton had a full no-trade clause and MIA felt they had to move his giant contract, the Yankees were the only team who wanted him of the few on his list, and that deal isn't looking especially good currently.MLB is being so vocal about not investigating the Yankees for the same set of reasons as when it didn't use "the best interests of baseball" after the Marlins "traded" Stanton to Ny for a handy
You know the moon "landing" was faked, right?Huh? Stanton had a full no-trade clause, the Yankees were the only team who wanted him of the few on his list, and that deal isn't looking especially good currently.
LOL, it is maybe the most Mets thing ever, that of the three teams firing their managers in the cheating scandal, they are the only one of those teams that didn't at least get a World Series championship.WOW. LOL at the Mets. They had NOTHING to do with this at all and now they get completely screwed out of their manager due to stuff that happened on other teams.
MLB is letting this fester by not just investigating the Yankees now given the significant connections they have to this whole issue - something that, if they truly didn't do anything wrong, the Yankees should welcome. If the Yankees are clean, MLB can issue a one-sentence statement that says "after looking into the matter MLB has concluded the Yankees did not violate league rules related to sign-stealing in 2018 or 2019." And if the Yankees aren't clean, there is no reason they shouldn't be disciplined too."Adding to this: Beltran did not share with the Yankees what Houston did in 2017. If anything, the Yanks would have appreciated more help in defending against their 2019 ALCS opponents' methods, but Beltran didn't cop his '19 bosses what went on in '17."
It strains credulity and one can't help but question if the Yankees dug-out outrage at the Astro's whistling in the '19 ALCS was first tipped off by Beltran
You do realize that baseball fans outside of Red Sox fans will be convinced that Boston won the 2018 World Series by cheating because they had a connection with Cora? The town already has a reputation; just ask an NFL fan who isn't a Patriot fan.You do realize the Sox fired Cora for what he did with the Astros, which the Sox had nothing to do with?
I have seen other people rumored more than Bam Bam for the Mets job, plus if they pass on him again, they kind of have to let him go to BOS if BOS wants him (the Mets are allowed to say no here, pretty sure).I guess the Mets will just elevate BamBam now that I have decided he'd be great for the Sox. Rats!
I'll be honest, this is true. But after the presser yesterday, I actually think the Sox may come out clean on this. Henry made it clear that we should wait and see the results of the investigation and that's what we should do as fans of other teams.You do realize that baseball fans outside of Red Sox fans will be convinced that Boston won the 2018 World Series by cheating because they had a connection with Cora? The town already has a reputation; just ask an NFL fan who isn't a Patriot fan.
I mean, this is just blatantly untrue. It's mostly based on the fact that the Yankees are confirmed to have stolen signs using the replay room into the 2017 season - and they are the only team other than the Astros and Red Sox to have been specifically identified as having done so (although it sounds like other teams did so as well). Given that, is it not fair to wonder if the Yankees continued doing so as the Sox apparently did? Then you add on Cora more or less just coming out last year and accusing Beltran of helping the Yankees steal signs, plus the LoMo tweet you mention although that's obviously the least important data point here.Perhaps that will happen in the future. Right now, the constant Yankees finger pointing is based on nothing except Logan f'n Morrison.
Are we doing this again? Show me where the Yankees stole signs in 2017 or 2016. Hint: They didn't.I mean, this is just blatantly untrue. It's mostly based on the fact that the Yankees are confirmed to have stolen signs using the replay room into the 2017 season - and they are the only team other than the Astros and Red Sox to have been specifically identified as having done so (although it sounds like other teams did so as well). Given that, is it not fair to wonder if the Yankees continued doing so as the Sox apparently did? Then you add on Cora more or less just coming out last year and accusing Beltran of helping the Yankees steal signs, plus the LoMo tweet you mention although that's obviously the least important data point here.
None of that is definitive of course, but it would be nice for MLB to publicly make clear that they looked into the Yankees given the above and didn't uncover anything (maybe they will do that later this offseason or even as part of the report resulting from the Red Sox investigation). Until and unless they do that I think it's fair to be frustrated that we will just have to be relying on unnamed sources that say what MLB did or didn't look into or determine.
If he did, it'd only make sense for the Sox to sign him now, amirite?Stole this---"I wonder if Beltran resigned on a napkin saying I Resign as M of the NYM."
I think there are a couple differences here though. Cora was a bench coach and was facing a Hinch-like suspension. There's also an investigation on the '18 Sox who were under Cora's control. Beltran's '17 involvement was "cleared" by MLB in that he wasn't going to face any suspension time and there's no investigation (yet) on his '19 team.You do realize the Sox fired Cora for what he did with the Astros, which the Sox had nothing to do with?
Seriously? This is directly from The Athletic:Are we doing this again? Show me where the Yankees stole signs in 2017 or 2016. Hint: They didn't.
The system the Red Sox employed [in 2018] was not unlike one they had used in previous seasons under a different manager, John Farrell. It was also similar to one the Yankees and other teams had employed before MLB started its crackdown.
As far back as 2015, the Yankees used the video replay room to learn other teams’ sign sequences, multiple sources told The Athletic. Other teams likely were doing the same. Sources said the Red Sox began doing it no later than 2016.
“I’m just telling you from a broad perspective, living it, it didn’t feel that wrong,” said one player who used the replay-room system with the Yankees as far back as 2015. “It was there for everyone, that’s all.”
And this is from the same SNY reporter now saying the Yankees aren't currently under investigation:By 2017, with rules governing electronic sign stealing still lacking the specificity that would come the next season, the Red Sox, Yankees and Astros were all using their replay rooms to help decode sign sequences in some way, sources said.
Is that enough or do you need more?No one is denying that some Yankees used their video room in 2015-17 to decode signs, as The Athletic reported.
Thou doth protest too much.I know this is a sox forum, but seriously, the Yankees stuff here has been sounding like AM radio call speculation. Stop trying to connect dots that aren't there. If you want to draw a line, start a Yankees cheating thread and show your homework. There is no conspiracy to make the Sox look bad but the Yankees look clean. If there was something, as with PEDs, the league would come down on the organization or its players. Perhaps that will happen in the future. Right now, the constant Yankees finger pointing is based on nothing except Logan f'n Morrison.
Two thingsSeriously? This is directly from The Athletic:
And this is from the same SNY reporter now saying the Yankees aren't currently under investigation:
Is that enough or do you need more?
It's a good thing their most recent championship had anything to do with steroidsYankees fans here seem awfully triggered by any suggestion...on a Red Sox board...that they may not be completely innocent in all this.
Yeah, but that’s different!It's a good thing their most recent championship had anything to do with steroids