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Yep, the dysfunction in NY is much more ‘professional’ and institutionalized, starting with that beard bullshit you mentioned. Enjoy!
 

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Adam LaRoche bringing his teenage son to the clubhouse all the time. Sale cutting up uniforms. The White Sox have been dysfunctional going back years and years. Kenny Williams and Jerry Reinsdorf are really the two most responsible. It’s easy to blame Tony LaRussa or some rookie sleeping in the bullpen, but Reinsdorf‘s history as an owner speaks for itself.
 

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"Lance Lynn said he saw Keynan Middleton’s comments about the White Sox’s culture problems

His take: “I was there a lot longer than Key was. He’s not wrong.”"
 

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At some point it's not a coincidence that the teams that went all in on spin rates (Rays, Astros, Yankees and to a lesser extent Dodgers) keep losing their pitchers.
 

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The Orioles are worth ten times what Angelos paid for them originally, increasing in value by about 1.5B since then. Owners never mention that part.
 

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He's not entirely wrong though. Especially if they're talking about keeping all three of the guys mentioned. One guy, maybe two are doable but even then it would likely take a team friendly deal for one or both to realistically pull it off. At least in the sense of still being reasonably competitive as the players age out of their primes.

Guys like Brooks Robinson were with one team for their entire career not because the owners back then were willing to spend what it took to keep sentimental favorites around. It was because the players had no choice in the matter. Robinson retired in 1977. There was no free agency for him, or at least no real value for him to test the waters as a 39-40 year old. Even Ripken, who played entirely in the free agency era, made a career high $6.3M in his final year. Accounting for inflation, that's about $10.9M in 2023 money. or about a third of what Miggy Cabrera is getting for his final season.
 

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The Orioles are worth ten times what Angelos paid for them originally, increasing in value by about 1.5B since then. Owners never mention that part.
He's not entirely wrong though. Especially if they're talking about keeping all three of the guys mentioned. One guy, maybe two are doable but even then it would likely take a team friendly deal for one or both to realistically pull it off. At least in the sense of still being reasonably competitive as the players age out of their primes.

Guys like Brooks Robinson were with one team for their entire career not because the owners back then were willing to spend what it took to keep sentimental favorites around. It was because the players had no choice in the matter. Robinson retired in 1977. There was no free agency for him, or at least no real value for him to test the waters as a 39-40 year old. Even Ripken, who played entirely in the free agency era, made a career high $6.3M in his final year. Accounting for inflation, that's about $10.9M in 2023 money. or about a third of what Miggy Cabrera is getting for his final season.
JA's post above is absolutely why Angelos is entirely wrong. They could pay all three of these players and still make money hand over fist. Easily.

The fact is that the owners don't want to and want to pretend that they're losing money. This is part of the Angelos playbook and he's looking to get public money for upgrades to Camden Yards.

You're correct as to why Robinson had to stay in Baltimore though Angelos is purposely conflating the two issues in order to get public sentiment on his side.
 

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JA's post above is absolutely why Angelos is entirely wrong. They could pay all three of these players and still make money hand over fist. Easily.

The fact is that the owners don't want to and want to pretend that they're losing money. This is part of the Angelos playbook and he's looking to get public money for upgrades to Camden Yards.

You're correct as to why Robinson had to stay in Baltimore though Angelos is purposely conflating the two issues in order to get public sentiment on his side.
Oh I agree that the owners absolutely can afford to pay all these contracts. By the same token, if they all ran their teams like non-profits or at a loss in order to pay all the sentimental favorites what it would cost to keep them around, the franchise values probably wouldn't keep increasing like they do.
 

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Oh I agree that the owners absolutely can afford to pay all these contracts. By the same token, if they all ran their teams like non-profits or at a loss in order to pay all the sentimental favorites what it would cost to keep them around, the franchise values probably wouldn't keep increasing like they do.
Then what's the point of sports to people who aren't owners?

I mean if you're just shuffling players in and out of the franchise so that the value raises, what's the benefit to the people paying money to watch their favorite players play? They don't see a nickle of that value. At some point owners have to come to an understanding that they're not going to be able to wring every cent of value from their franchise, they need to provide some sort of reason for their customers to spend money. These 30 people have their own Golden Goose, there's no need to kill it.
 

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Then what's the point of sports to people who aren't owners?

I mean if you're just shuffling players in and out of the franchise so that the value raises, what's the benefit to the people paying money to watch their favorite players play? They don't see a nickle of that value. At some point owners have to come to an understanding that they're not going to be able to wring every cent of value from their franchise, they need to provide some sort of reason for their customers to spend money. These 30 people have their own Golden Goose, there's no need to kill it.
The problem is that fans no longer pay for the team's revenies. Revenue for teams is more measured in the TV contracts and in other streams. If the Coliseum was sold out every season the A's would not suddenly have money to pay for big time players.

The difference is in regional TV contracts. At least in the NFL there is ONE TV deal and everyone gets an equal share.
 

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The problem is that fans no longer pay for the team's revenies. Revenue for teams is more measured in the TV contracts and in other streams. If the Coliseum was sold out every season the A's would not suddenly have money to pay for big time players.
In NFL, yeah.

I imagine the top MLB teams bring in $150M+ just in gate. That's not chump change.
 

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The problem is that fans no longer pay for the team's revenies. Revenue for teams is more measured in the TV contracts and in other streams. If the Coliseum was sold out every season the A's would not suddenly have money to pay for big time players.

The difference is in regional TV contracts. At least in the NFL there is ONE TV deal and everyone gets an equal share.
Agreed with that. I was using "fans" as sort of a catch all for everything fan-related in that if you have a team that craters the trust of the fanbase, pretty much everything is going to go south: attendance, TV revenues, etc. It's not going to happen overnight, but I think that undermining fan confidence by calling out the boom-bust strategy in the midst of a really great year for your franchise (after you've been bad for five plus years) is not a wise PR move.

Edit: at the end of the day a baseball team is buoyed by a bunch of different revenue streams like you said, but at the end the one common denominator is the fans. If you don't have them, you're sunk -- though I could see the Angeloses moving to Nashville where they can suck another fanbase dry. Which I suppose is the grift, right?
 

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Stephen Strasburg officially retiring. No surprise but really the end of an era for the Nats.

In 2010 I was in a Nats season ticket group and it was a snake draft and I had the last pick. Nobody picked a random Tuesday night in June against the Pirates, June 8, so it fell into my lap. Well, it turned out to be Strasmas, which was more than electric. A huge event for a bad team. 14 Ks over seven innings. It was a blast.

Edit: and his 7 yr/$245M extension in the 2019/20 offseason may be the worst contract ever.

View: https://twitter.com/barrysvrluga/status/1694776959828369532?s=20
 
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Stephen Strasburg officially retiring. No surprise but really the end of an era for the Nats.

In 2010 I was in a Nats season ticket group and it was a snake draft and I had the last pick. Nobody picked a random Tuesday night in June against the Pirates, June 8, so it fell into my lap. Well, it turned out to be Strasmas, which was more than electric. A huge event for a bad team. 14 Ks over seven innings. It was a blast.

Edit: and his 7 yr/$245M extension in the 2019/20 offseason may be the worst contract ever.

View: https://twitter.com/barrysvrluga/status/1694776959828369532?s=20
I was there too!!!!!

One of the best, non-playoff game baseball experiences.

If he retires, that's it right? They don't have to keep paying him do they?
 

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I was there too!!!!!

One of the best, non-playoff game baseball experiences.

If he retires, that's it right? They don't have to keep paying him do they?
The Post article speculates that there may be a financial settlement for the remainder of his contract.

They owe him $23 million for each of 2023-2026, with $80 million deferred starting in 2027. I doubt that he would just walk away from that.
 

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Stephen Strasburg officially retiring. No surprise but really the end of an era for the Nats.

In 2010 I was in a Nats season ticket group and it was a snake draft and I had the last pick. Nobody picked a random Tuesday night in June against the Pirates, June 8, so it fell into my lap. Well, it turned out to be Strasmas, which was more than electric. A huge event for a bad team. 14 Ks over seven innings. It was a blast.

Edit: and his 7 yr/$245M extension in the 2019/20 offseason may be the worst contract ever.

View: https://twitter.com/barrysvrluga/status/1694776959828369532?s=20
He was great when healthy but, man, $245M for like 30 ineffective innings. Unreal. The Nats dodged Rendon but got burned bigly on this one. Wonder how much insurance covered.
 

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He was great when healthy but, man, $245M for like 30 ineffective innings. Unreal. The Nats dodged Rendon but got burned bigly on this one. Wonder how much insurance covered.
No insurance.

But the Nationals do not have any disability insurance on Strasburg’s contract, according to four people familiar with the situation. The premiums would have been extremely high, two people explained, and that’s assuming the team and an insurance company could have agreed on a policy, given Strasburg’s age and extensive injury history. And three people familiar with the situation doubt ownership would have spent on top of the $245 million, even if doing so would have provided some financial protection in a worst-case scenario.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/06/03/stephen-strasburg-tos-recovery-nationals/
 

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I was there too!!!!!

One of the best, non-playoff game baseball experiences.

If he retires, that's it right? They don't have to keep paying him do they?
It would depend on the insurance policy. Given he is retiring for medical reasons, he will be paid the full value of the contract, so it just comes down to what amount the Nats have covered by insurance vs. what they have to pay themselves.

EDIT: Oof, so this will be entirely out of pocket for the Nats. I'm not sure if it counts against luxury tax or not.
 

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1.46 ERA in 55 postseason innings over 9 starts (71Ks to 8 BBs). 5-0 in the 2019 postseason (plus one no decision) and a huge win in the NLDS elimination game 4 at Wrigley in 2017 (7 IP, 0R,12K, 2BB) before the Nats blew game 5.

Of course the what ifs around here will always be how would 2012 have ended if the Nats hadn't shut him down.
 

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Stephen Strasburg officially retiring. No surprise but really the end of an era for the Nats.

In 2010 I was in a Nats season ticket group and it was a snake draft and I had the last pick. Nobody picked a random Tuesday night in June against the Pirates, June 8, so it fell into my lap. Well, it turned out to be Strasmas, which was more than electric. A huge event for a bad team. 14 Ks over seven innings. It was a blast.

Edit: and his 7 yr/$245M extension in the 2019/20 offseason may be the worst contract ever.

View: https://twitter.com/barrysvrluga/status/1694776959828369532?s=20
It's pretty incredible that out of all the elite names that the Nationals have had since coming to DC (Soriano, Harper, Scherzer, Turner, Juan Soto) the one they ended up signing for a huge contract ended up being Strasburg, who while a pivotal player in the history of the franchise, had the most obvious red flags.
 

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It's pretty incredible that out of all the elite names that the Nationals have had since coming to DC (Soriano, Harper, Scherzer, Turner, Juan Soto) the one they ended up signing for a huge contract ended up being Strasburg, who while a pivotal player in the history of the franchise, had the most obvious red flags.
Well, Scherzer too, that’s how they got him, and you left out Rendon.
 

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1.46 ERA in 55 postseason innings over 9 starts (71Ks to 8 BBs). 5-0 in the 2019 postseason (plus one no decision) and a huge win in the NLDS elimination game 4 at Wrigley in 2017 (7 IP, 0R,12K, 2BB) before the Nats blew game 5.

Of course the what ifs around here will always be how would 2012 have ended if the Nats hadn't shut him down.
Perhaps the biggest disagreement in my marriage. We literally can't talk about it.
 

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It's pretty incredible that out of all the elite names that the Nationals have had since coming to DC (Soriano, Harper, Scherzer, Turner, Juan Soto) the one they ended up signing for a huge contract ended up being Strasburg, who while a pivotal player in the history of the franchise, had the most obvious red flags.
I don't know if Scherzer belongs on the list of not getting a huge deal. They signed him for 7/215 entering his age 30 season. That was the sixth or seventh biggest contract in history at the time. Worked out well for them.
 

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It's pretty incredible that out of all the elite names that the Nationals have had since coming to DC (Soriano, Harper, Scherzer, Turner, Juan Soto) the one they ended up signing for a huge contract ended up being Strasburg, who while a pivotal player in the history of the franchise, had the most obvious red flags.
To be fair to the Nats, it is starting to look like they may have committed highway robbery on the San Diego Padres in the Juan Soto trade.