(Approaching the) Trade Deadline Thread
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If a team was thinking along these lines, I assume they would be more apt to take on Kane's full salary and hence lower the cost of acquiring him?
The problem for the B's is they'd have to give something to get Kane, and then give up something else again to take advantage of the additional cap space.
That cupboard is already quite sparse.
But if we're in, why not go all in?
It’s not a bad trade for the rangers but Drury appears out of his depth. Tank is not very good anymore, especially at 5v5, where the rangers struggle most. They are middling at gf 5v5 and have been fortunate to be mediocre. Tank does very little to help that. We will see, I guess, but this feels like a team with a poorly constructed roster that has little chance at a cup giving up assets for a player that doesn’t solve any real immediate problems.
But did they really give up anything besides a pick that's probably somewhere in the early to mid 20s? It's a deep draft so it could certainly hit. But Blais and that D man non-prospect are nullities.
Skinner looks to be a JAG, and Blais isn't anything but a depth guy, extra forward on a contending team. As was covered they basically gave up a mid 20's pick and a 4th/3rd round lottery ticket. So Rangers really didn't give up anything that matters for the hope Tank can rebound and recapture some past magic for them in a playoff run. From the Rangers side it's a good trade, Blues had little option with his NTC and they really got nothing in return.
I think you are over estimating the market for rentals. Historically, rentals do not get a 1st plus good prospects or NHL players. Especially when the player leaving has trade protection. Usually these types of trades are a 1st round pick and a B/C prospect or a lower pick and a better prospect. They don't usually get both. Taylor Hall is somewhat of a comparable and he brought the Sabres a 2nd and Anders Bjork. Claude Giroux last year got Philadelphia a 2024 1st and Owen Tippett (who has turned out to be decent but at the time was thought of as a bust). Going back a little bit, Mark Stone (probably the best player of all the guys I've listed) went for a 2nd and Erik Brannstrom (at the time a top 25ish prospect in hockey).
Getting the 1st and 3rd was a nice bit of business for St. Louis, in my opinion. Blais and Skinner are junk but their inclusion in the deal was likely to make everything work cap and contract wise. The Rangers are probably the ones who overpaid slightly in the deal but from their perpspective they had 2 first round picks projected to be around the same point of the draft so they can afford to burn one. It's probably an overpay for Tarasenko given his current decline, but my guess is they like his finishing and think he'll get a boost playing with Artemi Panarin feeding him the puck.
That's fair. I also probably didn't appreciate how much Tarasenko has declined.
And jeez did the Bruins steal Hall.
The circumstances really forced Buffalo.
Hall signed a 1 year deal with Buffalo because he wanted to win. There were a number of teams competing for him and so Buffalo agreed to a no movement contract clause.
With the Sabres out of the playoffs and Hall a free agent at years end, he was able to dictate the team he went to. There were rumors he wanted to sign with Boston that off season too. So Sweeney probably had a good feeling that a 2nd and not a 1st would get it done when push came to shove.
Kane bummed the Rangers moved on without him, says the hip injury is overblown and he feels better this year than he did last year (not that he'd say anything differently).
View: https://twitter.com/CRoumeliotis/status/1624101767838412811?s=20&t=s7jygbmg5FqTDtcEvxtXQg
View: https://twitter.com/CRoumeliotis/status/1624101767838412811?s=20&t=s7jygbmg5FqTDtcEvxtXQg
I’d rather Rags have Tarasenko than Kane at the end of the day. Now if Canes get him then that’s a different story.
Kane doesn't feel like a Carolina type of player. My worry with them is Timo Meier, the real prize out there at the moment. Seems like Meier is going to end up with either the Hurricanes or Devils.
Also, who knows how narrow Kane's list will be if he chooses to go. The reports make it sound like if he does go the list will be 2 or 3 teams max, and the one definite just took themselves out of it.
Does anybody else get the feeling that Kane and Toews will just stay where they are?
I can see them staying put if they can’t go where they want.
They’ve got what, 3 Cups between them? I’m sure they’re happy to ride it out where they’re legends if they can’t go someplace they’re really excited about.
He’s also playing with a bunch of 3rd liners and AHL guys on a team that’s tanking. I wouldn’t be shocked if he turns it on if traded.
Im not sure why everyone was so confident in his demise. Any year he's healthy and on the ice, he puts up 30+ goals. One nice hot streak and he can still do it again. Considering his low S% - which should normalize - I could see him being just as productive as always.
I mean, he'll never live up to what he could have / should have been, but he's still a great scorer.
Sure, I'm not really lamenting the cost. I don't believe this version of Tank is worthy of a haul anyway. I just don't think Drury has shown any ability to identify the actual problems with the rangers roster. He knows they need goal scoring but his priority is a RW who doesn't really generate offense at 5v5 anymore. They rangers forward group needs some serious help, in my opinion. They have a great goalie and an elite pp and that can help you go on a run for sure, but their forward group gets pumped at 5v5 and Tank hasn't really been good at generating 5v5 offense for a while now. He doesn't seem like someone they should have targeted. If they needed a top line RW, Timo Meier would have been a much better fit. I bet he ends up across the river for a team that's likely going to leave the Rangers in the dust for a generation if they can find some goaltending.
Not going to the Leafs either apparently….hmmm…. View: https://twitter.com/_nickrichard/status/1624587694587228161?s=12
While I fear the potential return - a top 4 of Lindholm/McAvoy/Chychrun/Carlo for the next 4-5 years ain’t that bad.
Marek on HNIC…not the Oilers or Leafs. Kings throwing cold water on it. May not go down tonight.
View: https://twitter.com/sportsnet/status/1624589038614200323?s=46&t=Lr_34c7KykzQiJxbhABbdg
View: https://twitter.com/sportsnet/status/1624589038614200323?s=46&t=Lr_34c7KykzQiJxbhABbdg
Depending on what goes out, if the Bruins suddenly have space in the bottom 6, I wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on Puljujarvi if he ends up on waivers.
He hasn’t lived up to expectations - but he’s defensively sound and could benefit from a change in scenery.
He hasn’t lived up to expectations - but he’s defensively sound and could benefit from a change in scenery.
Fyi. Kings are retiring Browns number tonight. So they may be “throwing cold water” on this deal as to not distract from today
Hmmmm…now that the Dustin Brown thing has wrapped…smoke back on!
View: https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1624605228711690298?s=12
View: https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1624605228711690298?s=12
There's a since deleted tweet from the Kings saying the trade was complete.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/EightBitMark/status/1624609865178968066/photo/1
I am 99.65 percent sure thats a fake tweet.
Not only does that have a link to nhl.com announcing the trade it was “tweeted” more than two hours ago.
Someone would have confirmed that if it was legit
also Byfield is currently playing in the game right now and was not scratched
Oh I'm not saying otherwise, seen it in a dozen other places as well. (Thats also Alaska time, so an hour ago) Kings official page has been deleting references to it as quickly as they pop up. I'm sure it was fake, but just interesting the Kings are deleting comments about it. Haha
If that tweet proves true, the Bruins matching would be starting with Mason Lohrei & Fabian Lysell…ouch.
I don’t know if I do that or not, but I wouldn’t blame Don either way here. I’m probably doing the deal. If you’re gonna swing, swing big. Have to think that Kings tweet is real.
One could make the argument if you’re unsure about giving up that much young talent: you do a deal here for Chychrun and then try to flip him to another team to recoup the assets lost down the road, especially if he looks great in your system. Though he has a modified no move clause that looks like it kicks in after the season, so that may damper return prospects.
I don’t know if I do that or not, but I wouldn’t blame Don either way here. I’m probably doing the deal. If you’re gonna swing, swing big. Have to think that Kings tweet is real.
One could make the argument if you’re unsure about giving up that much young talent: you do a deal here for Chychrun and then try to flip him to another team to recoup the assets lost down the road, especially if he looks great in your system. Though he has a modified no move clause that looks like it kicks in after the season, so that may damper return prospects.
I think the return to the Coyotes is going to make me happy that the B's didn't get him (and, sadly, likely make me think that they couldn't top the offer if they wanted to).
FWIW, Pagnotta has the Kings and Bruins “still lead the race”
We probably couldn’t beat a LA futures package
View: https://twitter.com/thefourthperiod/status/1624877396561387520?s=46&t=dVQv16Kl1LMTOlHpjumCZw
We probably couldn’t beat a LA futures package
View: https://twitter.com/thefourthperiod/status/1624877396561387520?s=46&t=dVQv16Kl1LMTOlHpjumCZw
Kypreos is the only one who put a name out as part of a trade package. We'll see what happens, but Kypreos isn't particularly credible and the Kings worked fast to put that fire out. Kypreos used to be on the HNIC panel but was taken off several years ago. The more credible reports have just sort of done the who's in, who's out thing which no specifics.
The Kings have always made the most sense. They have a need for an LHD and are sitting on a top 10 prospect pool plus have a full complement of draft picks. They have 5-7 Lysell/Lohrei level prospects. If the Kings decide to take the plunge, the Bruins won't be able to match or beat them.
Is Lohrei still considered a "top" prospect or has he lost a bit of value? I noticed his counting stats were down just a bit his soph season and thought it was curious he didn't make the hockeywriters top 100 list whereas Lysell came in at 32. Granted it is just one list and I did see Lohrei is a finalist for Hobey Baker just wondering what the consensus is on him as there isn't a lot of NHL prospect info out there.
https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/
No idea where to put him on a league wide top 100 list, but he's basically regarded by all prospect followers as the Bruins 2nd best prospect behind Lysell. His stock has pretty consistently risen from when he was drafted and the Bruins were laughed at for picking him. He'd probably be in the AHL right now if it wasn't for an injury at the end of last season. As such, he gets dinged a bit because he's a 22 year old sophmore.
The analytics folks are a lot higher on him than the eye test dudes. The counting stats are down but by all accounts his performance has improved from last year. There's a lot of things out of his control that go into the counting stats. Usage, quality of competition, qualitify of teamates, shooting percentages, etc.
View: https://twitter.com/IvanIvanlvan/status/1624080125321945088?s=20&t=5bpG6u_LciFXaBWZ_a7GSQ
The analytics folks are a lot higher on him than the eye test dudes. The counting stats are down but by all accounts his performance has improved from last year. There's a lot of things out of his control that go into the counting stats. Usage, quality of competition, qualitify of teamates, shooting percentages, etc.
View: https://twitter.com/IvanIvanlvan/status/1624080125321945088?s=20&t=5bpG6u_LciFXaBWZ_a7GSQ
Thanks for that, seems like a realistic comp could be a much bigger Grzelcyk?
Offensive skill set looks strong but those defensive metrics might give some teams pause especially for someone of his age/size. You can hope that with proper coaching/strength training his defensive game improves but those puck battle wins are concerning assuming they aren't a flawed metric to begin with.
Offensive skill set looks strong but those defensive metrics might give some teams pause especially for someone of his age/size. You can hope that with proper coaching/strength training his defensive game improves but those puck battle wins are concerning assuming they aren't a flawed metric to begin with.
A cool little feature on Lohrei
View: https://twitter.com/ohiostateonbtn/status/1621274980758573057?s=46&t=DpS_0s-Epg-YP8bttEH2wg
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The Friedman/Marek Monday 32 Thoughts news pod is out
View: https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1625138597065105411?s=20&t=soex3sC7s92-sYtWf28cfA
Summarizing the Chychrun saga
Kings and Coyotes are or were close to a trade. If they do make a deal, it won't be Clarke or Byfield. Apparently the Clarke rumor was running rampant behind the scenes (must be where Kypreos heard it) but the Kings reached out to his agent to tell them he's not being moved. Thinks the teams hit a snag on a contract that needed to be moved. Not a primary piece of the deal but an ancillary one. The deal could still happen but scratching Chychrun also led other teams to re-engage in talks.
Some conflicting reports about if Chychrun will play for Arizona tonight. He did not participate in their morning skate. The Coyotes reporters are saying he is a game time decision; others are saying he's being sat for trade related reasons again.
Nashville guy:
View: https://twitter.com/AdamVingan/status/1625195061184024576?s=20&t=soex3sC7s92-sYtWf28cfA
Coyotes guy:
View: https://twitter.com/CraigSMorgan/status/1625195675729203205?s=20&t=soex3sC7s92-sYtWf28cfA
View: https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1625138597065105411?s=20&t=soex3sC7s92-sYtWf28cfA
Summarizing the Chychrun saga
Kings and Coyotes are or were close to a trade. If they do make a deal, it won't be Clarke or Byfield. Apparently the Clarke rumor was running rampant behind the scenes (must be where Kypreos heard it) but the Kings reached out to his agent to tell them he's not being moved. Thinks the teams hit a snag on a contract that needed to be moved. Not a primary piece of the deal but an ancillary one. The deal could still happen but scratching Chychrun also led other teams to re-engage in talks.
Some conflicting reports about if Chychrun will play for Arizona tonight. He did not participate in their morning skate. The Coyotes reporters are saying he is a game time decision; others are saying he's being sat for trade related reasons again.
Nashville guy:
View: https://twitter.com/AdamVingan/status/1625195061184024576?s=20&t=soex3sC7s92-sYtWf28cfA
Coyotes guy:
View: https://twitter.com/CraigSMorgan/status/1625195675729203205?s=20&t=soex3sC7s92-sYtWf28cfA