On his Little League teambenhogan said:Does anyone think he hasn't been doing PEDs since he was drafted?
Rovin Romine said:Sweet. A-Rod "takes full responsibility" but:
Does not admit to doing PEDs.
Does not promise never to do PEDs again.
Does not apologize to any of the folks he demonized at the arb hearing.
Does not explain why he did what he did - either the PEDs or the hearing.
Does not apologize to the fans (per se).
Does not apologize for being a bad role model to kids.
Does not apologize to his fellow players.
Also, there's no atonement. While it's not strictly necessary for an apology, usually people who feel bad about what they did try to correct it or compensate for it in some way. How much of a stretch is it for him to speak out against PED use? In, say, high school kids? Or kick some money to a charity or anti-PED program/group.
I'm sure he'd like to think the matter is "over" - but it's not.
This guy is just as out of whack as he ever was.
Average Reds said:
Let's talk about the only moral issue of consequence.
Did he ever pay his lawyers?
TheYaz67 said:
They are working on commission - aka protecting his upcoming $6 million HR milestone bonus payment....
soxhop411 said:@AndrewMarchand: Ortiz: 'Things not good anymore' with A-Rod http://t.co/AieHkNoxF8
TAMPA, Fla. -– The Yankees have long been presumed to be on the hook for up to $30 million in home run milestone bonuses to their disgraced superstar Alex Rodriguez, and they still may be, but thanks to the wording in the marketing agreement and maybe also the ability to put Rodriguez under oath in a potential grievance hearing, the team is said to believe it has a strong chance to avoid all the milestone money payments.
There's a snippet from the contract in that article that should be cross-posted to the grammar thread:nattysez said:
Joe D Reid said:There's a snippet from the contract in that article that should be cross-posted to the grammar thread:
“The Yankees are under no obligation to exercise its right to designate a historical accomplishment as a milestone provided that its decision is made in good faith and in accordance with the intent of the parties in the covenant.
Joe D Reid said:There's a snippet from the contract in that article that should be cross-posted to the grammar thread:
“The Yankees are under no obligation to exercise its right to designate a historical accomplishment as a milestone provided that its decision is made in good faith and in accordance with the intent of the parties in the covenant.
jon abbey said:If NY released him before he hit any more HRs, and someone else picked him up and he hit 6 HRs for them, that would presumably trigger the clause for NY still?
I think he would have to look really really awful for them to release him before next offseason at least, but just curious how that would play out (ignoring whether or not NY can invalidate that clause).
I think another team would sign him for more than the minimum, and I don't think NY's obligation is affected at all by whatever new contract he signs.LahoudOrBillyC said:No. If NY releases him they are still bound to all of the terms of the contract. A new team would sign him for the major league minimum. Yankees still owe the 61M plus the incentives (minus the minimum that new team pays).
Arod already has some form of immunity from the Feds/locals re the biogenesis situation. So we could get the full on circus.wallypip said:A court battle could mean that A-Rod could be made to take the stand. Since it would be a civil case and A-Rod would be the plaintiff, the fifth amendment wouldn't really apply. Since the Yankees are arguing that A-Rod's marketing incentives are no longer valid because his HR totals aren't marketable, A-Rod might be forced to either perjure or incriminate himself when answering PED questions. It sounds to me like both parties might prefer to reach a settlement. I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like the Yankees FO is laying the groundwork for a negotiation.
nattysez said:
If we're up 9-0, I have no issue with grooving a few fastballs for him.rembrat said:
I hope our guys gladly toss him grapefruits when they come to Fenway.
If we're up 27-0 I have no issue with sticking one in his ear.adam42381 said:If we're up 9-0, I have no issue with grooving a few fastballs for him.
This; exactly this. No soup for you Alex.Average Reds said:If we're up 27-0 I have no issue with sticking one in his ear.
He can get his home runs elsewhere. Fuck that guy.
"Rodriguez went 0-for-2 as the designated hitter in an intrasquad game Monday. Hitting off a pitching machine, he grounded to third on the second pitch and flied out to short right on the first pitch," reported The Associated Press' Mark Didtler.
A court battle would also mean everyone in the Yankee organization from H/H to Trost. Levine, Cashman Stick Torre to the batboys would be deposed about what they knew about PED use. E-mails and texs would be examined, documents revealed, conversations re-hashed. I'm not sure if $6MM is worth the possible embarrassment that the Y's knew exactly who they were signing and what they were doing in 2007 (or much earlier).wallypip said:A court battle could mean that A-Rod could be made to take the stand. Since it would be a civil case and A-Rod would be the plaintiff, the fifth amendment wouldn't really apply. Since the Yankees are arguing that A-Rod's marketing incentives are no longer valid because his HR totals aren't marketable, A-Rod might be forced to either perjure or incriminate himself when answering PED questions. It sounds to me like both parties might prefer to reach a settlement. I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like the Yankees FO is laying the groundwork for a negotiation.
Hagios said:
Average Reds said:He did better than Chris Young, who struck out against the pitching machine.
So he's got that going for him.
jon abbey said:Chris Young had a .876 OPS for NY after coming over last year, admittedly in only 79 PAs, but still.
We are talking about someone who may have been one of the all time great players even without any steroids. A lot of those types of players have had good to great seasons at age 39. If I were a small market team in need of a DH, I'd be willing to pick up $16 million of the remaining contract (essentially 2X$8--basically Kendrys Morales money) and roll the dice on getting at least a 335/440 line. I don't know if that would be enough for the Yankees to eat the contract, but they seem like they'd be happy to save a little and be rid of him due more to the baggage than the remaining talent.Wingack said:ARod actually looked pretty good yesterday. He turned on a pitch for a single (albeit it was off of Kevin Slowey) and in his second at bat (might have been his third) he worked a walk with two guys on rather than trying to swing from his heels.
I don't know I am cautiously optimistic.
Yeah, I would want NY to basically eat the whole last year of the contract, maybe structure it by saying I'd pay the same $8 million of year 3 if I don't release him before then.glennhoffmania said:He has three years left to go.
Certainly a risk. Though I have to think that he was clean when he played those 44 games at the end of 2013, and by OPS+ he was as good a hitter in those 180 plate appearances as Sandoval was that year (113 to 116).glennhoffmania said:Plus it's a pretty big assumption to say he was an all time great even without any steroids. I'd be pretty surprised if he was ever clean so there's no way to know how good he would've been without PEDs.
glennhoffmania said:
Plus it's a pretty big assumption to say he was an all time great even without any steroids. I'd be pretty surprised if he was ever clean so there's no way to know how good he would've been without PEDs.
moly99 said:
Maybe I am naive, but I have a hard time believing he was juicing in high school when he was already a phenom. My guess is that he started with the Rangers due to the influence of teammates like Palmeiro, Juan Gonzalez, etc.
HriniakPosterChild said:
That's his story, but due to pressure he felt after signing the big contract.
The fact that he said it makes me think it's a bold-faced lie.
Rovin Romine said:
Yep. In 2009, in response to his name being on list, he claimed to have used PEDs only in TX - his age 25-27 seasons, 2001-03. Except it wasn't really his fault because everyone did it and he didn't even know what he was doing in the first place, and would never ever do anything like it again.
In 2014, post-suspension, post-investigation, he admitted to the DEA that he did PEDs from 2010 to 2012. (He has not admitted this "publicly," and is still soldiering on.)
So yeah, no cred.
For ARod, and for MLB's testing regime, no?Rovin Romine said:
In 2014, post-suspension, post-investigation, he admitted to the DEA that he did PEDs from 2010 to 2012. (He has not admitted this "publicly," and is still soldiering on.)
So yeah, no cred.
Plympton91 said:For ARod, and for MLB's testing regime, no?
Plympton91 said:We are talking about someone who may have been one of the all time great players even without any steroids.