2023 Irrevocable Waiver Period (lol Angels)
- Thread starter DeadlySplitter
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Sox could have done this last year, but I personally think this is not a good look and really not in the the spirit of the new trade deadline. Wonder if there is any thought tot he commissioner not allowing this? Probably not but hope LA gets a lot of crap for this.
They can, they should and they will.
Meanwhile, can the Sox claim Giolito? They couls use a starter.
Edit: I remember Giolito was the # 1 prospect in all of baseball. And I also remember Matt Moore's ceiling with the Rays to be super high. It's true TINSTAAPP
Yep. No real incentive for the Angels to keep them, might as well save cash and lose more games down the stretch. In the old days, they could still deal them, or get draft pick compensation.
Fortune favors the bold and all, but that decision not to trade Ohtani is looking all time disastrous now. I like this version of Earth, but might’ve been cool to live in the universe where Trout and Ohtani win at least a playoff series together.
Would be kind of funny if someone like the Royals scooped them all up just to be obnoxious, but more likely they'll all find their way to the bubble teams. Which I guess means the Red Sox actually have a pretty good shot at getting at least one of them, if they're so inclined - I have a vague memory that all of the AL teams get waiver priority before the NL, is that true?
It seems like there's no league discrepancy as of the latest CBA. Otherwise I think the Red Sox would be the first reasonably in line for all of these... but the Giants, Reds and D-backs will get more pickings.
Really interesting question about which teams will put up some $$ just for a month of playing time.
One would have to think all those guys' agents are working in overdrive right now. I'd love to see the Sox somehow snag Giolito, but I have to think a team in front of them snags him.
I don't think this is a problem. The players get paid either way and they get a chance to play competitive baseball for a month or two. They don't even have to move their family, just stay in an airBNB for a month.
Doesn't seem any different than trading them for a D prospect or cash considerations.
Doesn't seem any different than trading them for a D prospect or cash considerations.
Then don't stop there – Noah Syndergaard could be yours too! He's actually been pitching better than Giolito since the trade deadline.
I’m inclined to agree. They’ve managed to make the deadline both less interesting and less impactful.
You can never have too many guys overthrowing the cutoff man.
Red Sox aren't a ton below the threshold. Might have to do some math before picking people up. But they can probably handle that.
View: https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1696633669245386845
View: https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1696633669245386845
Correct.
https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/outright-waivers
The bolded sentence may screw up Boston's ability to grab players here, as they've been claiming some fungible relief arms all year.
To me the issue is one of fairness -- under the old system every team, in theory, had a chance to bid on a guy. I don't think the normal waiver process was designed with this sort of thing in mind.
A good get for what? mediocre offense and bad defense and he plays the same position as one of their best position players. Also likely a clubhouse cancer since he's about to be on his 6th team in 5 years and teams keep giving him away.
Does he move the needle at all? Sox have a 9% chance of making the playoffs. It’s a few million bucks, and maybe it gives you some chance of resigning him if he has a good experience? Not sure they bother.
It’s 9% not 0%
Giving up in August is lame (even if the fans have given up)
Sure, if their odds are 9.1% now, what are they after adding Giolito? Can’t imagine much different. It’s not my money, so I say go for it but can understand if they don’t.
As long as it doesn’t take them over the threshold, even a 9% chance is worth it because it costs nothing of organizational value.
Heh, I think often it's not reported who is placed on waivers because if they're not claimed, they stay with the team and it's awkward. Here it seems like someone reported the Angels ones because it's a big story, then other people said 'fuck it' and reported the other names they knew were out there.
Either that or everyone saw the loophole and the Angels just happened to be the first ones through the door. Makes all kinds of sense to dump players on the waiver wire when teams that might want to grab them have no choice but to claim them rather than wait for them to clear. And with a volume dump like the Angels did, they can bring up a bunch of prospects for a September cup of coffee in the same way they used to before September rosters were limited to 28.
I don't really disagree with either post, although I assume the waiver thing has been much less common since teams could no longer get anything back.
& what would be special about today to do it? It's not like all those teams were eliminated from contention today. Who knows, though?
& what would be special about today to do it? It's not like all those teams were eliminated from contention today. Who knows, though?
Giolito is 28, RHP:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/giolilu01.shtml
4.45 ERA in 153 IP, 165 K, 57 BB, $1.84 mill.
Lopez is a 28 year old RH reliever:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lopezre01.shtml
3.86 ERA in 53 IP, 71 K, 28 BB $641k
Moore is 34-year-old lefty:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/moorema02.shtml
43 IP, 57 K, 12 BB, 2.30 ERA, $1.34 mill
Grichuk:
31-year-old RH OF:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grichra01.shtml
261/317/435 in 333 PA, $1.82 mill.
Renfroe: 31-year-old RH OF:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/renfrhu01.shtml
239/300/425 in 496 PA, $2.11 mill.
Probably any of the pitchers would help a bit. None would likely make a huge difference, but what the hell.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/giolilu01.shtml
4.45 ERA in 153 IP, 165 K, 57 BB, $1.84 mill.
Lopez is a 28 year old RH reliever:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lopezre01.shtml
3.86 ERA in 53 IP, 71 K, 28 BB $641k
Moore is 34-year-old lefty:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/moorema02.shtml
43 IP, 57 K, 12 BB, 2.30 ERA, $1.34 mill
Grichuk:
31-year-old RH OF:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grichra01.shtml
261/317/435 in 333 PA, $1.82 mill.
Renfroe: 31-year-old RH OF:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/renfrhu01.shtml
239/300/425 in 496 PA, $2.11 mill.
Probably any of the pitchers would help a bit. None would likely make a huge difference, but what the hell.
Aren't they gone if they aren't claimed? I thought being able to put a guy through waivers and then keep him went away with the rule change a few years ago
Yeah, there would be no point in being able to revoke the waivers since trades aren’t allowed.
Yeah, I get the end date, but I feel like the start date could have been sooner if these teams are just straight salary dumping. I guess the Angels didn't actually give up until today, though.
I'm not sure, but if this meant teams were definitely cutting ties, I don't think Renfroe and Bader would be in lineups tonight (and they are).
Waiver process takes 48 hours?
I think it's just that they can't revoke the claim. IOW they will remain on the team unless someone claims them.
I'm not sure the teams exact situations, but as of tonight the players are still on the team even if they've been placed on waivers. In the angels case, they might not have enough bodies to field a lineup if they sat all the waived guys and they have some other guys banged up since they can't call up 5 new players yet.
https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/trade-waivers-aug-31-deadline
https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/outright-waivers
Seems to indicate that the only waivers for vets now is outright waivers where if these guys clear they can choose to be free agents if they don't want to be sent down to the minors.