2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread

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Fultz is an actual nba player now though. Can't shoot from three, and is not anywhere near the level of a 1st overall pick, but he has worked very hard to overcome whatever exactly it was that plagued him. We should celebrate him for that and not shit on him
I mean good for him in overcoming that mental block that otherwise would have prevented him from ever playing in the league…..but he is a pretty bad NBA player. He doesn’t have a plus NBA skill and is (maybe not even) arguably the worst shooting guard in the league this side of Simmons. Fultz is 1-9 on the year from three. He’s not long for this league if I had to guess.
 

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I mean good for him in overcoming that mental block that otherwise would have prevented him from ever playing in the league…..but he is a pretty bad NBA player. He doesn’t have a plus NBA skill and is (maybe not even) arguably the worst shooting guard in the league this side of Simmons. Fultz is 1-9 on the year from three. He’s not long for this league if I had to guess.
Just for fun . . . .

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Jimmy Butler has a "getting blocked" problem. By year, % of FGAs blocked since going to Miami:

2020: 5.9%
2021: 5.7%
2022: 4.3%
2023: 6.0%
2024: 8.4% heading into tonight.
can we break this out by rim attempts versus other? he's shooting more threes this year so I'd imagine it's even worse than this shows.
 

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NBA bottom five in 4th quarter net rating:

26. WAS -3.1 (no surprise there)
27. DET -3.3 (ditto)
28. GSW -3.5 (hello, Kerr?)
29. MIA -5.7 (hello, Spoelstra??)
30. PHO -14.7 (what the f??????????)

Fwiw, BOS is #1 at +6.5.
 

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I'm on the Gravyson train. Knockdown shooter.

He's probably better than Bradley Beal at this point
Ted Cruz Jr. being this good is as annoying AF. Obviously his life is made easier by KD, Book, and Beal, but .475 from 3 on 324 attempts (6.1 per 36 minutes) is freaking ridiculous. Ah well ... at least I'm not a Bucks or Grizzlies fan.

(Yes, I did post this largely to refer to him as "Ted Cruz Jr.")
 

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Ted Cruz Jr. being this good is as annoying AF. Obviously his life is made easier by KD, Book, and Beal, but .475 from 3 on 324 attempts (6.1 per 36 minutes) is freaking ridiculous. Ah well ... at least I'm not a Bucks or Grizzlies fan.

(Yes, I did post this largely to refer to him as "Ted Cruz Jr.")
Curry-esque

Cruz doppelganger + Duke Natl Champion has thrown Grayson into John Kreese territory
 

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I think I'd rather be watching OKC-Heat than this TWolves Cavs game, but hard to argue with a 1 point game heading to the 4th. Whoever the stand-in coach is for the TWolves, it looks like they took a dude from the third row of the stands.
 

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Gobert just got T’d up for making the money sign to the refs after being called for his 6th foul with under 30 seconds in a 1 pt game
 

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Gobert just got T’d up for making the money sign to the refs after being called for his 6th foul with under 30 seconds in a 1 pt game
I thought that was the universal sign for rolling a spleef?

Naz Reid doesn't get enough love

Ant Edwards can't stop chucking, my man is all about the hero ball
 

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That’s an incredible tech on Gobert. Did he just accuse the refs of taking money to throw the game?
I think that’s exactly what he was insinuating. I haven’t been watching so don’t know if the officiating has been anything other than the NBA standard
 

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Lillard just ISO'd down 1 with 3 seconds left and got stone cold blocked by Dinwiddle.

Let's put the Tatum hypercriticism on him, now!
 

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Things still setting up nicely in both conferences, although a potential 2nd round series against Orlando wouldn’t come without its set of issues.

But meanwhile in the west, I think the Wolves may fall to 4, which would potentially mean a Denver-Clips 2nd round series.

And finally, the Lakers and GS are still in the 9-10 slots, which is what we’re all rooting for for a high drama play in game.

Edit: and finally, a .500 or below record for Philly is still on the table!
 

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After starting the season 5-14, the Bulls are almost back to .500 (31-32)

It's almost as if the Bulls started playing better once Zach LaVine was replaced with Caruso in the lineup.
MAX money just doesn't buy what it used to.

Keeping a casual eye on Chicago as a First round matchup
 

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If we're just isolating individual recent games, they also recently lost to Atlanta without him and the Bulls with him.
They aren't a particularly scary opponent at all.
I love how in these threads quality opponents are routinely dismissed as nothing to be feared. Pretty sure we heard that about the Heat last season.
 

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I love how in these threads quality opponents are routinely dismissed as nothing to be feared. Pretty sure we heard that about the Heat last season.
Yeah, the right attitude is probably closer to: "the NBA has never had more parity and elite talent. There are tons of teams that can get hot or figure out an identity and go on a run. There are also a lot of really scary players who are capable of figuring things out and being the best player in a given series. The fact that early-mid 30s stars seem to not age anymore only adds to that talent pool."
 

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I love how in these threads quality opponents are routinely dismissed as nothing to be feared. Pretty sure we heard that about the Heat last season.
I'm really sorry for having an opinion. I spend half my time in Cleveland and watch a lot of Cavs games. I don't think they'd match up well against the Celts in a short series, and especially not based on the two games mentioned. I didn't think the same about the Heat last season.
 

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can we break this out by rim attempts versus other? he's shooting more threes this year so I'd imagine it's even worse than this shows.
At rim field goal attempts blocked for Jimmy Butler, last 5 seasons, LA= League Average:
2024: 10.10% LA: 9.85%
2023: 7.8% LA: 9.12%
2022: 4.56% LA: 9.62%
2021: 7.54% LA: 10.04%
2020: 9.06% LA: 10.09%

As context, SGA is at almost 11% field goal attempts blocked at the rim this year. The better metric might be FG% and Freq% at the rim. Getting blocked at the rim probably feels worse than it actually is relative to just missing the shot. But shots at the rim obviously go in at a higher percentage than any other shot on the floor. So frequency matters more. A low FG% probably captures more of what's going on. TS% at the rim probably captures even more so let's go with that.

Here are those %s for Butler -- restricted area frequency and TS% including FTAs from shooting fouls:

Year: Frequency: TS%: LA Freq: LA TS%
2024: 36% 73% 31% 69%
2023: 40% 74% 30% 70%
2022: 38% 73% 30% 69%
2021: 42% 74% 31% 67%
2020: 38% 71% 33% 67%

By this reckoning, Butler has had a slight dip in frequency but his TS% at the rim continues to be well above average.

I'll do Tatum's numbers as well since many people might be curious:
2024: 28% 72%
2023: 29% 74%
2022: 28% 73%
2021: 26% 73%
2020: 29% 63%

Similar TS% and much lower frequency as we would probably expect. He also gets to the line at a below average rate on those attempts, for those looking for ammo.

Court factors are an issue here as official scorers determine whether a shot occurs in the restricted area or outside but in the paint, and there's been some pretty measurable bias (especially in Chase center -- the scorer there is well known to have a bias against restricted area attempts).
 

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I'm really sorry for having an opinion. I spend half my time in Cleveland and watch a lot of Cavs games. I don't think they'd match up well against the Celts in a short series, and especially not based on the two games mentioned. I didn't think the same about the Heat last season.
Cavs have won six of their past seven games with the C's in Cleveland.
 

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Cavs have won six of their past seven games with the C's in Cleveland.
I don’t see how what happened several years ago with totally different teams tells us anything at all.

But regardless, respecting the fact that all playoff teams are good is different than finding them scary.
At least for me.
 
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Cleveland has had people hurt all year (or since pretty early) and keeps winning.

Only two teams in the top 10 in either conference with losing records in their last 10 games are Knicks (4-6) and Sixers (3-7). They face off tonight.
 

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The Pacers have been pretty average for awhile now (12-14 since January 12), this won't help. With the Magic and Heat picking things up, they'll have a hard time staying out of the play in.
Boy if the seeding as it is today holds up, that would so terrific. CLE / MIL / MIA / PHI as the 2, 3, 6, and 7 seeds. And on the other side, we would all get to see the PHO / DAL / LAL / GSW play-in tournament superfecta.

One can only dream though.
 

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The Pacers have been pretty average for awhile now (12-14 since January 12), this won't help. With the Magic and Heat picking things up, they'll have a hard time staying out of the play in.
That Siakam trade is looking pretty ass right about now. Especially if he leaves anyway.
 

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The Pacers have been pretty average for awhile now (12-14 since January 12), this won't help. With the Magic and Heat picking things up, they'll have a hard time staying out of the play in.
They had won 7 of 10 prior to hitting the road last week and have lost 3 of 4 since…..which is the 7th separate time this year they has lost 3 out of 4 games. They’ve been 5-6 games over .500 pretty much all year and are 35-29 now.

View: https://youtu.be/9kRpS8mwJ14?si=v_ExzXpiAorCZI2w
 

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That Siakam trade is looking pretty ass right about now. Especially if he leaves anyway.
It's more Haliburton. He missed 8 of those 26 (Pacers went 4-4 with him on the bench), and he's averaged 16/3/9 while shooting .449 from the field and .317 from 3 (compared to 24/4/13 while shooting .497 from the field and .403 from 3 before this stretch). I don't know if it's injuries or a slump or regression or some combination, but the guy that looked like a higher scoring version of Steve Nash for the first few months of the year just hasn't existed for awhile.
 

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Both Kawhi and George out vs the Bucks. Not a surprise (they played 38 and 40 minutes last night against the Bulls), but still pretty disappointing for a matchup between two top five teams (at least by title odds).

*edit - and credit where it's due, Harden hasn't missed a game since his debut with the Clippers. 58 straight at his age is no joke.
 

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*edit - and credit where it's due, Harden hasn't missed a game since his debut with the Clippers. 58 straight at his age is no joke.
Still in the honeymoon period. When they don't put the feng shui crystals in the right spot during this offseason, or perhaps the next offseason, he'll lose his s**t and start to mope and all of a sudden there will be a Hellenic Flu epidemic running through their locker room.

When the trade happened, pretty much everyone here agreed that it would probably fall apart for personality reasons inside 3 years, but could work for a decent while until then.
 

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Haven't been watching but, my, that score. Both teams must have abysmal shooting percentages.
Neither gets to 40 at the half! I’ve been half watching and thought it was the 1Q until a minute ago.
 

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Heat lose to the Wizards. It got really tight at the end (Wizards were up 10 with just over 2 minutes left, Miami missed a couple 3's in the closing seconds that would have won it), but for all the "here come the Heat" takes we've seen over the last few days, this was a really ugly loss and their 3rd straight. Kuzma is just such a losing player (he had a nice game, but was 0-2 with 2 turnovers and a shooting foul in the final 2 minutes), I can't believe he was once a key player on a title team. When Duncan Robinson isn't hitting his 3's (he was 4-13 tonight, 0-3 in the final minute) he's a real problem for Miami.
 

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Heat lose to the Wizards. It got really tight at the end (Wizards were up 10 with just over 2 minutes left, Miami missed a couple 3's in the closing seconds that would have won it), but for all the "here come the Heat" takes we've seen over the last few days, this was a really ugly loss and their 3rd straight. Kuzma is just such a losing player (he had a nice game, but was 0-2 with 2 turnovers and a shooting foul in the final 2 minutes), I can't believe he was once a key player on a title team. When Duncan Robinson isn't hitting his 3's (he was 4-13 tonight, 0-3 in the final minute) he's a real problem for Miami.
Best part was the Heat announcers during that 8-0 run. “And the Heat fans are out of their seats!!!”

Yeah. They were in the parking lot after falling behind by 10.