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Watching the end of a tight MIL - LAC game, and I'm not sure what I want to happen. On the one hand, I guess theoretically I don't want Milwaukee to overtake us for the 1 seed. But since that's a distant concern, part of me wants the Clippers taken down a peg, or have some film out on how to throw them off.

I guess "meteor hits the stadium" would be the usual go-to here, except I don't really hate either of these teams. Who's even the most odious guy in this game? I guess Harden for his style of play? I'm just conflicted because I think the Clippers are one of the two teams (besides Denver) who match up with us really well.

edit: Bobby Portis has eyes right now like in DBMH's avatar. Dude is fired up and ready to run through a wall.
 
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Don’t look know….but Doc has righted this Bucks ship. This team is now playing for their coach.

Wed night @Golden State coming off a 50-pt loss is going to be their next challenge.
 

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Doc would have to be crazy to do anything other than give Giannis a 2-week vacation in Mykonos or wherever he wants. If they can still beat the Clippers without him (which they just did, coming back from 15 down to win by 10), they can absolutely hold onto the 2 or 3 seed. What they can't afford is him getting tendinitis again in May.
 

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Doc would have to be crazy to do anything other than give Giannis a 2-week vacation in Mykonos or wherever he wants. If they can still beat the Clippers without him (which they just did, coming back from 15 down to win by 10), they can absolutely hold onto the 2 or 3 seed. What they can't afford is him getting tendinitis again in May.
Might be the best thing to get Dame going also if he doesn't feel the need to be deferential. 41 tonight.
 

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I'm just waiting on SGA and JDub and Chet doing their thing againat the LAL. Please let OKC thrash that third rate NBA clownshow.
 

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Don’t look know….but Doc has righted this Bucks ship. This team is now playing for their coach.

Wed night @Golden State coming off a 50-pt loss is going to be their next challenge.
Doesn't "righting the ship" just mean reverting the MIL defense back to what they did well, opposed to what Griffin kept trying to force them to do?

MIL is worse than they were last year, BOS is significantly better. MIL isn't a concern for me.
 

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Doesn't "righting the ship" just mean reverting the MIL defense back to what they did well, opposed to what Griffin kept trying to force them to do?

MIL is worse than they were last year, BOS is significantly better. MIL isn't a concern for me.
That’s exactly what “righting the ship” means….that’s what Doc was hired to do and the entire internet was mocking him for the first two weeks when he took over a banged up team on the middle of a road trip. It’s why he’s a HOF coach.

Milwaukee isn’t a concern for me but they serve an important purpose in clearing the road for us by eliminating worse matchups….like Miami, the only one that I’m remotely concerned about.
 

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That’s exactly what “righting the ship” means….that’s what Doc was hired to do and the entire internet was mocking him for the first two weeks when he took over a banged up team on the middle of a road trip. It’s why he’s a HOF coach.

Milwaukee isn’t a concern for me but they serve an important purpose in clearing the road for us by eliminating worse matchups….like Miami, the only one that I’m remotely concerned about.
Don't you think Miami is going to claim either the 4 or 5 seed? They're just 1.5 games out of 4th and just need to pass two of the Knicks, Sixers and Magic to end up 5th. I suppose they might game their way to the 6th seed to avoid Boston until the conference finals, but they probably have less fear of the C's than anyone else in the East.
 

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Giannis has been playing out of his mind, if they can get a full level Dame and a healthy Middleton (maybe between 40 and 60% propositions each?) they can absolutely beat the Celtics. I don't think the Celtics would be underdogs or anything, but them rounding into shape isn't a welcome development in my mind. They're the only team in the East who can put enough high level talent on the floor to get close to what Boston has.
 
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I feel like this has the potential to have a massive impact going forward. AT can be brutal and pretty much the only thing that can make it better is complete rest.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39655213/bucks-rule-giannis-antetokounmpo-vs-clippers-left-achilles-tendinitis
Fun fact: Giannis has already played more minutes than last year. He got hurt near the end of last year and definitely wore down at the end of 2022, I'm curious to see how much he has in the tank after a couple of playoff rounds.
 

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Don't you think Miami is going to claim either the 4 or 5 seed? They're just 1.5 games out of 4th and just need to pass two of the Knicks, Sixers and Magic to end up 5th. I suppose they might game their way to the 6th seed to avoid Boston until the conference finals, but they probably have less fear of the C's than anyone else in the East.
I mean, maybe? They are currently in the play-in slot after winning 8 of 10. They are live to finish anywhere from 4 to 8.
 

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Giannis has been playing out of his mind, if they can get a full level Dame and a healthy Middleton (maybe between 40 and 60% propositions each?) they can absolutely beat the Celtics. I don't think the Celtics would be underdogs or anything, but them rounding into shape isn't a welcome development in my mind. They're the only team in the East who can put enough high level talent on the floor to get close to what Boston has.
The Celtics have just shown time and again that they can come up with gameplans and have the personnel to slow Giannis. He'll get his points, and win some games, but I'm pretty confident that Horford+Tillman+team scheme can make him not be GIANNIS over a 7-game series.

And for all the talk of the Celtics having playoff issues, Giannis has flamed out as a favorite in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2023, and lost in 2022. Flags fly forever and you can't take 2021 away, but he has a worse overall playoff track record than the more-criticized Jays.
 

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OKC loses: Cs have a 7-game loss column lead for the #1 overall seed. The regular season is just about a wrap now.
 

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If OKC is the 1 seed and Lakers the 8, that series might be a toss up. Lakers now 3-1 vs OKC this year. Maybe their youth ends up being an advantage and they just win a war of attrition over a 7 game series, but they still feel a year away.
 

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If OKC is the 1 seed and Lakers the 8, that series might be a toss up. Lakers now 3-1 vs OKC this year. Maybe their youth ends up being an advantage and they just win a war of attrition over a 7 game series, but they still feel a year away.
When has youth ever been an advantage in the playoffs? Having a series with game planning, travel and rest spread out over a 7-game series favors the veteran team.
 

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When has youth ever been an advantage in the playoffs? Having a series with game planning, travel and rest spread out over a 7-game series favors the veteran team.
Plus, Lakers have precisely what OKC doesn't and struggles with---size/bulk.
 

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When has youth ever been an advantage in the playoffs? Having a series with game planning, travel and rest spread out over a 7-game series favors the veteran team.
Chet is "youth" (21), as is Giddey (21) and J-Dub (22), but SGA (25), Lu Dort (24), Isaiah Joe (24), Wiggins (25) etc are past the point of having enough NBA experience to avoid any naivete, I'd think. OKC was last in the playoffs in 2019-20, so Dort and SGA saw action there, plus SGA in LA the previous year. They've got Hayward, who's seen some things. They're not exactly the Celtics or Clippers in terms of playoff mileage, but any disadvantage they may have is probably likelier to come from OKC's coaching staff not having a ton of experience prepping and executing in a playoff series, than the players not knowing how to focus, rest or adjust.

And they have the corresponding advantage of youth: ability to have their bodies not wear down as much from the season and recover better. The same reason @ElUno20 is following Winston Wolf's advice about his own very-veteran team (his experiences seeing injuries / overuse happen), works in the opposite direction for a team like OKC.

I would still favor Minnesota over OKC in terms of less-playoff-experienced teams likeliest to put it together and make a run to at least the WCF. I think Minnesota's game translates better and they're better-coached (and Gobert, among others, has 54 playoff games / 10 series under his belt). So if you want to fade OKC against a Phoenix or LAL or somebody, fair enough... but I expect it'll be more due to coaching than players being not ready for the jump in level.
 

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Don’t look know….but Doc has righted this Bucks ship. This team is now playing for their coach.

Wed night @Golden State coming off a 50-pt loss is going to be their next challenge.
Doc wizardry!

I think you have a theory about HOME team's struggling in the first game after a cross-country road trip Rule.
Expect the Bucks to pound the Warriors, who have been meh at home.

When has youth ever been an advantage in the playoffs?
It isn't, especially against a Lebron-led team.

The Lakers are a terrible match-up for OKC. AD/Bron will live in the lane. Chet is miscast guarding 5s, they were using J-Dub to cover Wemby recently.

Presti whiffed. Veteran BIGs are the cheapest, easiest position to secure.
OKC needed to add an NBA 5: Gafford, Tillman, Olynyk were moved.
They could have gone hard after Okongwu or Kessler with their pick stash, if Sam wanted to stay on the same timeline OR
Go to lottery/play-in teams and get a Poeltl, Claxton, Capella, Drummond, Vucevic
Even John Collins could have been helpful

Gordon Hayward looks pretty useless (17pts in 7 games :oops: ) for a team with plenty of WINGs that can shoot.
 

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Does LeBron have another gear to get to for the playoffs? I was watching him not cross half court a few times on defense, looking pretty gassed. Is he already playing as hard as he can? It seems insane to suggest given LeBron's history, but I wonder if the age related decline is forcing him to play harder and harder during these regular seasons to maintain a high level of play.
 

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Chet is "youth" (21), as is Giddey (21) and J-Dub (22), but SGA (25), Lu Dort (24), Isaiah Joe (24), Wiggins (25) etc are past the point of having enough NBA experience to avoid any naivete, I'd think. OKC was last in the playoffs in 2019-20, so Dort and SGA saw action there, plus SGA in LA the previous year. They've got Hayward, who's seen some things. They're not exactly the Celtics or Clippers in terms of playoff mileage, but any disadvantage they may have is probably likelier to come from OKC's coaching staff not having a ton of experience prepping and executing in a playoff series, than the players not knowing how to focus, rest or adjust.
SGA (13), Dort (6), Joe (11) and Wiggins (0) have less than half as many playoff games combined as Grant Williams (61). Even the older members of their rotation (outside of Hayward) have a glaring lack of playoff experience, let alone success.

The only team I can think of that was this talented and this good when they were this young was, oddly enough, the 2012 Thunder that made the finals (KD was 23, Westbrook was 23, Harden was 22, Ibaka was 22). Very important to remember that as young as they were, they had been to the WCF in 2011, and had made the playoffs (and lost in the first round) in 2010. It's nice that the current team isn't entirely composed of guys young enough to still be in school, but a couple of years in the regular season isn't nearly enough to look past their total lack of playoff experience. As good as they are right now, this team making a real run would be unprecedented. They should consider the playoffs a massive success if they win a series, and it's looking more and more like their first round opponent will be one of those vet teams with hundreds of cumulative playoff games.
 

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Agreed, OKC is a historically young and inexperienced playoff 'contender'. That doesn't preclude success, but they have very little experience in real games and that is surely something to consider for them this year.

Are the 1981 Celtics another sort of comp from a bygone era? Bird was second year, McHale first, and while Parish and Tiny had years neither had much playoff success previously. Even if one likes the comp, having to look back 40 years makes the point about how uncommon it is.
 

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Doc wizardry!

I think you have a theory about HOME team's struggling in the first game after a cross-country road trip Rule.
Expect the Bucks to pound the Warriors, who have been meh at home.
It is more than theory there is long standing data to show a team returning home from a long (4+ games) road trip does underperform in their first game back. We saw it with Dallas on Sunday afternoon most recently when they lost to the Sixers. The difference with this matchup is that there is also data on +.500 teams over performing following a 20+ point loss so we have two worlds colliding here.


It isn't, especially against a Lebron-led team.

The Lakers are a terrible match-up for OKC. AD/Bron will live in the lane. Chet is miscast guarding 5s, they were using J-Dub to cover Wemby recently.
NBA playoffs are about matchups and OKC’s lack of size is a killer vs the Lakers. I also disagree, a lot, with the comment about about 24-25 year olds being considered battle tested veterans for the purpose of the playoffs. Not even mentioning half the rotation being younger. I’m very excited about fading this team in the postseason against certain matchups.
 

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It is more than theory there is long standing data to show a team returning home from a long (4+ games) road trip does underperform in their first game back. We saw it with Dallas on Sunday afternoon most recently when they lost to the Sixers. The difference with this matchup is that there is also data on +.500 teams over performing following a 20+ point loss so we have two worlds colliding here.



NBA playoffs are about matchups and OKC’s lack of size is a killer vs the Lakers. I also disagree, a lot, with the comment about about 24-25 year olds being considered battle tested veterans for the purpose of the playoffs. Not even mentioning half the rotation being younger. I’m very excited about fading this team in the postseason against certain matchups.
I love myself some SGA/J-Dub/Chet BUT nobody on OKC is battle-tested in the playoffs including a cooked Gordo.

I expect Presti to start filling in around those 3 this summer, he could have done more/better at the deadline.
 

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SGA (13), Dort (6), Joe (11) and Wiggins (0) have less than half as many playoff games combined as Grant Williams (61). Even the older members of their rotation (outside of Hayward) have a glaring lack of playoff experience, let alone success.

The only team I can think of that was this talented and this good when they were this young was, oddly enough, the 2012 Thunder that made the finals (KD was 23, Westbrook was 23, Harden was 22, Ibaka was 22). Very important to remember that as young as they were, they had been to the WCF in 2011, and had made the playoffs (and lost in the first round) in 2010. It's nice that the current team isn't entirely composed of guys young enough to still be in school, but a couple of years in the regular season isn't nearly enough to look past their total lack of playoff experience. As good as they are right now, this team making a real run would be unprecedented. They should consider the playoffs a massive success if they win a series, and it's looking more and more like their first round opponent will be one of those vet teams with hundreds of cumulative playoff games.
Fair points. I just tend to roll my eyes and discount anything that purports to value "playoff experience!" really highly, when presented as some sort of analysis. There's a first time for everything and everyone. Nobody thought Tatum would be a major contributor as a rookie to a 2017-18 team that had traded away Isaiah Thomas and then lost Hayward (early) and Kyrie Irving (late) to injury, but he made a lot of things happen in the playoffs in the course of bringing us to Game 7 of the ECF. Other than the coaching staff knowing how to prepare a team and make adjustments, I have a hard time imagining the mechanism by which "experience!" is something you need to first accumulate before seeing playoff success. Young Lebron hit the ground running: he won a series the first time he made the playoffs despite his team being awful (2005-06, his 3rd year), won 3 series and went to the Finals the next year (2006-07), and then was famously only stopped by the Celtics juggernaut in 2007-08.

You can cut playoff results any way you like to suit a narrative. Insert the XKCD cartoon all you like. But people who think experience is some sort of leveling-up grinding that players need to do like an RPG character before they're ready to be a real contender seems overstated, here and everywhere it crops up. They'll point at things like Jordan's first 6 years, and ignore Tim Duncan surging to immediate success; they'll point at Tatum's "failure to win a title" thus far but ignore the team and league context that let Larry Bird jump straight into contention his rookie year and win it all his sophomore year. Did Paul Pierce not have enough playoff games under his belt before 2007? No, it was the arrival of future HOF teammates. But then again in his very first playoff run, in 2001-02, he and 'Toine charged straight to the ECF, with nary a playoff game betwixt them - no experienced required! If you're prepared to define "playoff success" in whatever way suits your narrative, there will be numbers for you to find, ways to cut things to suggest your'e right. I'm just not sure the entire topic, writ large, is a useful way to view the likelihood of OKC 23-24 (or anyone) winning a series or multiple series.

I personally find the matchup-based way of viewing things to be far more enlightening, because people can post clips and show how certain things Team X or Player Y like to do can be taken away by Matchup or Tactic Z (or that the opponent has no way to stop it, and that might prove decisive). For one thing, it makes what happens in the game make more sense to an informed viewer. But more importantly, it has a discernible mechanism of action - it's pointing to specific things the players are doing, or trying to do, or can't do, or need to respond to / adjust to, that will ultimately determining the outcome. Citing "playoff experience!" as some sort of distilled oracle of playoff results seems to be lacking any cohesive story for why it's determinative (again, other than coaching preparedness - but even still, you'd think that would be fairly uniform around the NBA). And I suspect if we were to agree on some sort of definition for what is considered sufficient playoff experience - "now, young padawan, you have reached an age where your fortunes will be determined on your and your team's talent alone, and not these artificial shackles of ignorance that have held you back!" - and we went out and crunched the data, I bet the correlation to actual playoff results would be really low. Relative to basic things like team winning %, head-to-head during the season, injury impact, etc, nevermind more advanced things around matchups and play types. I can't prove that without a ton of work, of course, and I imagine there's existing research which would either confirm or blow up my hypothesis. But that's my thinking, that's why I'm skeptical that this thin-slicing around "# of playoff games played" has some outsized predictive value.
 

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Chet is "youth" (21), as is Giddey (21) and J-Dub (22), but SGA (25), Lu Dort (24), Isaiah Joe (24), Wiggins (25) etc are past the point of having enough NBA experience to avoid any naivete, I'd think. OKC was last in the playoffs in 2019-20, so Dort and SGA saw action there, plus SGA in LA the previous year. They've got Hayward, who's seen some things. They're not exactly the Celtics or Clippers in terms of playoff mileage, but any disadvantage they may have is probably likelier to come from OKC's coaching staff not having a ton of experience prepping and executing in a playoff series, than the players not knowing how to focus, rest or adjust.
I'm not generally disagreeing with your post, there are many valid points.
But you can't use 1 playoff round in 2020 as actual experience in the playoffs (especially if you may get a team like LAL, GSW, Dallas etc. in the first round already) which have all been to Conference Finals in the last couple of years.

SGA played a lot in 2020 (as a starter) but the team was 100% orchestrated by CP3.
SGA was the 3rd leading scorer on this team in their 7 game matchup against the Rockets (behind CP3 and Schröder) and certainly not asked to be THE GUY. Now he needs to lead a team and be the reliable go-to guy. Not saying he can't do it, but 2020 was 4 years ago in a very different role.

Dort played significant minutes in 2020 as a specialist, because he was a great defender on Harden, but was left completely alone in the corners in most games, shooting only 36% (26% on a total of 50 3PA) on (iirc) mostly wide open shots.

While Hayward obviously has quite some PO experience, his usefulness on the court so far is still questionable - and that is if he's healthy.

Isaiah Joe has less than 30 minutes played in total in the playoffs (3-4 years ago on the 76ers), unless I'm missing something on basketball-reference.
Aaron Wiggins has 179 NBA games to his name, 0 in the playoffs.

We will see how much it factors in, but playoff experience is absolutely lacking on this team (and size as others have pointed out).
I will 100% root for them (in the west!), but until they prove me wrong, I don't expect them to get out off the 2nd round in what is essentially their first real taste of the postseason in this group.
 

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Fair points. I just tend to roll my eyes and discount anything that purports to value "playoff experience!" really highly, when presented as some sort of analysis. There's a first time for everything and everyone. Nobody thought Tatum would be a major contributor as a rookie to a 2017-18 team that had traded away Isaiah Thomas and then lost Hayward (early) and Kyrie Irving (late) to injury, but he made a lot of things happen in the playoffs in the course of bringing us to Game 7 of the ECF. Other than the coaching staff knowing how to prepare a team and make adjustments, I have a hard time imagining the mechanism by which "experience!" is something you need to first accumulate before seeing playoff success. Young Lebron hit the ground running: he won a series the first time he made the playoffs despite his team being awful (2005-06, his 3rd year), won 3 series and went to the Finals the next year (2006-07), and then was famously only stopped by the Celtics juggernaut in 2007-08.

You can cut playoff results any way you like to suit a narrative. Insert the XKCD cartoon all you like. But people who think experience is some sort of leveling-up grinding that players need to do like an RPG character before they're ready to be a real contender seems overstated, here and everywhere it crops up. They'll point at things like Jordan's first 6 years, and ignore Tim Duncan surging to immediate success; they'll point at Tatum's "failure to win a title" thus far but ignore the team and league context that let Larry Bird jump straight into contention his rookie year and win it all his sophomore year. Did Paul Pierce not have enough playoff games under his belt before 2007? No, it was the arrival of future HOF teammates. But then again in his very first playoff run, in 2001-02, he and 'Toine charged straight to the ECF, with nary a playoff game betwixt them - no experienced required! If you're prepared to define "playoff success" in whatever way suits your narrative, there will be numbers for you to find, ways to cut things to suggest your'e right. I'm just not sure the entire topic, writ large, is a useful way to view the likelihood of OKC 23-24 (or anyone) winning a series or multiple series.

I personally find the matchup-based way of viewing things to be far more enlightening, because people can post clips and show how certain things Team X or Player Y like to do can be taken away by Matchup or Tactic Z (or that the opponent has no way to stop it, and that might prove decisive). For one thing, it makes what happens in the game make more sense to an informed viewer. But more importantly, it has a discernible mechanism of action - it's pointing to specific things the players are doing, or trying to do, or can't do, or need to respond to / adjust to, that will ultimately determining the outcome. Citing "playoff experience!" as some sort of distilled oracle of playoff results seems to be lacking any cohesive story for why it's determinative (again, other than coaching preparedness - but even still, you'd think that would be fairly uniform around the NBA). And I suspect if we were to agree on some sort of definition for what is considered sufficient playoff experience - "now, young padawan, you have reached an age where your fortunes will be determined on your and your team's talent alone, and not these artificial shackles of ignorance that have held you back!" - and we went out and crunched the data, I bet the correlation to actual playoff results would be really low. Relative to basic things like team winning %, head-to-head during the season, injury impact, etc, nevermind more advanced things around matchups and play types. I can't prove that without a ton of work, of course, and I imagine there's existing research which would either confirm or blow up my hypothesis. But that's my thinking, that's why I'm skeptical that this thin-slicing around "# of playoff games played" has some outsized predictive value.
Can you name three teams that demonstrate to you playoff experience doesn't matter? Seems like that is an important part of this, getting from theory to examples.
 
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Veteran teams don't play as hard during the regular season as young teams. Younger guys are looking to make their mark and get paid. Does OKC have another level to get to in the playoffs? Part of the issue here is the relevance of regular season performance in predicting playoff success.
 

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Fair points. I just tend to roll my eyes and discount anything that purports to value "playoff experience!" really highly, when presented as some sort of analysis. There's a first time for everything and everyone. Nobody thought Tatum would be a major contributor as a rookie to a 2017-18 team that had traded away Isaiah Thomas and then lost Hayward (early) and Kyrie Irving (late) to injury, but he made a lot of things happen in the playoffs in the course of bringing us to Game 7 of the ECF. Other than the coaching staff knowing how to prepare a team and make adjustments, I have a hard time imagining the mechanism by which "experience!" is something you need to first accumulate before seeing playoff success. Young Lebron hit the ground running: he won a series the first time he made the playoffs despite his team being awful (2005-06, his 3rd year), won 3 series and went to the Finals the next year (2006-07), and then was famously only stopped by the Celtics juggernaut in 2007-08.

You can cut playoff results any way you like to suit a narrative. Insert the XKCD cartoon all you like. But people who think experience is some sort of leveling-up grinding that players need to do like an RPG character before they're ready to be a real contender seems overstated, here and everywhere it crops up. They'll point at things like Jordan's first 6 years, and ignore Tim Duncan surging to immediate success; they'll point at Tatum's "failure to win a title" thus far but ignore the team and league context that let Larry Bird jump straight into contention his rookie year and win it all his sophomore year. Did Paul Pierce not have enough playoff games under his belt before 2007? No, it was the arrival of future HOF teammates. But then again in his very first playoff run, in 2001-02, he and 'Toine charged straight to the ECF, with nary a playoff game betwixt them - no experienced required! If you're prepared to define "playoff success" in whatever way suits your narrative, there will be numbers for you to find, ways to cut things to suggest your'e right. I'm just not sure the entire topic, writ large, is a useful way to view the likelihood of OKC 23-24 (or anyone) winning a series or multiple series.

I personally find the matchup-based way of viewing things to be far more enlightening, because people can post clips and show how certain things Team X or Player Y like to do can be taken away by Matchup or Tactic Z (or that the opponent has no way to stop it, and that might prove decisive). For one thing, it makes what happens in the game make more sense to an informed viewer. But more importantly, it has a discernible mechanism of action - it's pointing to specific things the players are doing, or trying to do, or can't do, or need to respond to / adjust to, that will ultimately determining the outcome. Citing "playoff experience!" as some sort of distilled oracle of playoff results seems to be lacking any cohesive story for why it's determinative (again, other than coaching preparedness - but even still, you'd think that would be fairly uniform around the NBA). And I suspect if we were to agree on some sort of definition for what is considered sufficient playoff experience - "now, young padawan, you have reached an age where your fortunes will be determined on your and your team's talent alone, and not these artificial shackles of ignorance that have held you back!" - and we went out and crunched the data, I bet the correlation to actual playoff results would be really low. Relative to basic things like team winning %, head-to-head during the season, injury impact, etc, nevermind more advanced things around matchups and play types. I can't prove that without a ton of work, of course, and I imagine there's existing research which would either confirm or blow up my hypothesis. But that's my thinking, that's why I'm skeptical that this thin-slicing around "# of playoff games played" has some outsized predictive value.
I'm not saying that individual players can't have immediate playoff success, I'm saying that teams with almost no playoff experience will NOT have immediate playoff success. Tatum was the best player on that 2018 Celtics team during that playoff run, but Horford (91 games), Rozier (22), Brown (17), Smart (28) and Morris (23) all had a decent amount of prior experience and were big factors. Duncan's immediate success was aided in large part by the fact that the other 4 starters on his first title team had a TON of playoff experience: David Robinson had played in 62 playoff games, Avery Johnson had 56, Sean Elliott had 52 and Mario Elie 91. Paul Pierce had played in 37 playoff games prior to 2007. Add in Allen (also 37 games) and KG (47 games), and a couple of role players (House and Posey), and that team had exponentially more playoff experience entering 2008 than this OKC team.

Give Pierce/Antoine credit for their 2002 run (as you note, they didn't have any playoff experience) and the supporting cast didn't have that much more, but if we're reaching back 20+ years for a team that won a couple of playoff series in a really lousy conference, you know it's pretty rare. Maybe it's lazy analysis, but it doesn't make it any less true. I'm positive that OKC is far more likely to lose in round 1 than they are to get to the finals.
 

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Pat Bev being on the Bucks makes them even more f'in annoying. Can't wait til he exits the league.. every game is drama with him.
 

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Not super surprising after the molly whopping the Celtics gave them, Warriors looked pretty locked in outside of a small stretch in the 3rd.

Ho hum 23 points for Giannis tonight, who looked out of sorts to me, just lacking the finishing physicality he usually has. He was not in any way dominant. Wonder if the tendinitis is lingering or just a so-so game for him.