Two years left for Olson, 1 1/3 for Gallo, both very good defensive players. NY could start a package with Gleyber and Voit, both of whom OAK could showcase and maybe deal for more later, and then add prospects.Olson has what, 3 years of control? Have to imagine he’d cost quite a bit more in prospects than the Gallo trade.
As a Sox fan I wouldn’t want Correa for the same reason.Find any of the hundred tweets out there, all pointing to Yankees being the heavy hitters on Correa or Seager and met with Correa's agent last night. I hope, REALLY hope, they don't get Correa. These contracts are going to devastate the team in a couple of years.
They probably can't squander because they will need young and cheap players. So, the only option is (over)pay a SS today and convince them that part of the bargain is moving to 3b in 2-4 years.Still want no part of Correa. Open to Seager, depending on price. Excited about potentially adding Olson.
I'm worried that the Yankees will squander opportunities for the young SS they have developing. I think less chance of that with Seager than Correa, but who knows.
Get Brian on the phone and make it happen Abbey. We know you have his number.I think Seager is a long-term solution at 3B after maybe a year or two at SS, so Peraza or Volpe would still be the SS.
I don’t care about the money but I dislike losing the roster flexibility in the bullpen for a guy who struggles getting out RHH. Maybe they plan to trade Chad Green’s final year.Weird decision but I think this is a "luxury tax doesn't matter this year" kind of move.
Why not just sign a FA SP also? NY is going to need cost-controlled guys if they are spending all this money in so many places, Peraza and Volpe can both start alongside a new SS at 2B/SS/3B (Volpe won't be ready for another year or two).Why not sign Story for a few years, or even one of Correa/Seager and flip the young SS for Luis Castillo?
He is 18 and had his hands full in low A, he is a few years away. He is looking more like a corner OF by the time he gets to the bigs than a CF at this point, but it is early.Is Dominguez a CF? I always thought he would be a natural replacement for Judge.
Running a baseball team isn't like a light switch, it's not on or off. It does seem like NY will be doing their version of going for it this winter though.The Sale trade pushed the Sox over the edge, isn't it the time to be bold with your current roster?
Sad to see that list used in the context of failure.The guys NY needs to move are the pre-FA players who don't really have a role going forward: Andujar, Frazier, Gleyber, Voit, etc.
Both are really bad defensive players though, the mistake was not trading Andujar right after his big season.Sad to see that list used in the context of failure.
Can we admit now that the injuries to Andujar and Frazier were a crucial blow to a team that seemed ready to break through? They appeared to be power hitters with level swings.
Something was going on with him healthwise that no one has announced publicly, I don’t think it was post-concussion issues. The way they’re talking around it, it’s like it was Lyme disease or something like that (a complete guess on my part), he has close to no trade value at this point, I guess.Always loved Frazier's bat, but where are the Yanks at with him at this point. Is he a need a change of scenery guy? Even when he was healthy it seemed the Yanks were reluctant to go all in on him. I know the concussion issue is serious, how is his health? What is his trade value?
What about trading Chapman?FWIW, I haven’t seen anyone talk about NY trading Chad Green but it does make sense if they can get value for him. Guys like Abreu or Ridings could easily break through to that level if given the chance, and they are both optionable. Green only has one year of control left, might as well get something back.
View: https://twitter.com/brendankutynj/status/1458878538237366274?s=21
He makes $16M and has a full no-trade, it doesn't seem worth the hassle.What about trading Chapman?
I'd argue Gleyber was the biggest factor on that list because he didn't hold up defensively OR offensively. We thought SS was solved for years to come.Sad to see that list used in the context of failure.
Can we admit now that the injuries to Andujar and Frazier were a crucial blow to a team that seemed ready to break through? They appeared to be power hitters with level swings.
They don't even have to go in THAT different of a direction. There are shortstops available who are quite adequate. Do I want Andrelton Simmons or Story? Not particularly. But they would be nice pieces to cover the position.What if NY totally went a different direction from what everyone is expecting and didn't add a $200-$300M SS? Trade Gleyber/Voit plus prospects for Olson, sign Starling Marte and Max Scherzer, and go with an infield of Gio, Peraza, DJ and Olson. Just a thought...
Yes, but you’re talking about a world where every move a GM makes must be a winner. Does that world actually exist?It was pretty obvious Gleyber couldn’t play SS adequately almost immediately, it was also obvious from the second they signed DJ that both DJ and Gleyber were far better fits at 2B than anywhere else.
It was obvious after Andujar’s rookie season that he should be a DH (possibly a LF or 1B, but he had never played either) on a team that already had a long-term DH in Stanton.
It was obvious since at least 2019 that Sanchez should be paired with someone potentially able to step into the primary C role if needed, like D’Arnaud or Maldonado.
I am pro-Cashman but these are all moves that should have been made years ago.
This is my position, too. Grow your own shortstop! I hate it when prospects are a year away, two or three of them, and the Yankees chase another big salary. I thought Cashman got off that train to nowhere.I'm already on record as not liking the idea of a huge contract SS. I'm fine with rolling the dice on Peraza if they are confident he'll be good defensively. I don't think Velazquez hurt the team and it would fun to see if Peraza's higher offensive upside could manifest early as we all watch.
Getting Olson and spreading the money around outside of SS sounds great too. I'd sign up for some variation of that in a heartbeat.
I mean, obviously it is easier for me to sit at my desk in my sweatpants and make suggestions with no real-world ramifications than it is for Cashman to make real-world moves, but I am absolutely not talking about a world where every move a GM makes must be a winner. I named a few situations that have been really obvious problems for years and have still not really been addressed, and not addressing those has hurt the team quite a bit, both in terms of recent performance and in asset devaluation. If you look at my initial posts in the offseason threads for the past few seasons, I have been talking about all of these moves for years. I'm not second-guessing, I'm first-guessing (I know you know this).Yes, but you’re talking about a world where every move a GM makes must be a winner. Does that world actually exist?
You are definitely a first-guesser. And the information you provide is like Cliff’s Notes for the rest of us, or at least a road map to more information. I’m just saying certain positions can be hard to fix, beginning with catching. Is there an explanation for the falloff in talent at catcher over the years? The Yankees have almost always had a great catcher. I expect to have good catching and that is what makes the Sanchez years so disappointing. Same for starting pitching. Here we go again. Sign Verlander, hope he stays healthy as he turns 40.I mean, obviously it is easier for me to sit at my desk in my sweatpants and make suggestions with no real-world ramifications than it is for Cashman to make real-world moves, but I am absolutely not talking about a world where every move a GM makes must be a winner. I named a few situations that have been really obvious problems for years and have still not really been addressed, and not addressing those has hurt the team quite a bit, both in terms of recent performance and in asset devaluation. If you look at my initial posts in the offseason threads for the past few seasons, I have been talking about all of these moves for years. I'm not second-guessing, I'm first-guessing (I know you know this).
Poor Abreu and Peraza, making literally nothing.OK, I am going to take a shot at an offseason plan, mostly because I am curious to see just how pricy it will be even without one of the big SSs. Arb players' salaries are from the MLBTR estimates (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2022.html)
NY trades Gleyber, Voit, Deivi, Gil and Oswaldo Cabrera for Matt Olson (two years remaining).
NY signs Justin Verlander for 2/46.
NY signs Starling Marte for 3/54.
NY trades Chad Green (one year left) for prospect/s.
Marte CF ($18M)
Judge RF ($17.1M)
Olson 1B ($12M)
Stanton DH ($22M)
Sanchez C ($7.9M)
Gallo LF ($10.2M)
LeMahieu 2B ($15M)
Urshela 3B ($6.2M)
Peraza SS
bench: Hicks ($10M), Higgy ($1.2M), Wade ($700K), Gittens
Cole ($36M)
Verlander ($23M)
Taillon ($4.7M)
Montgomery ($4.8M)
Severino ($10M)
(next up: German, Cortes, Schmidt, King)
German ($2.1M)
Luetge ($1.1M)
Abreu
Rodriguez ($2m)
Peralta ($1.7M)
Holmes ($1.0M)
Loaisiga ($1.7M)
Chapman ($17.5M)
minors: Cortes, King, Schmidt, Ridings, Nelson
hurt: Britton ($14M)
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So that comes in around $238-$240M plus the 40 man players/player benefits adds $18.2M, putting them at $256-$258M which seems completely possible given what Cashman has been saying this week, obviously pending a new CBA.
I completely agree, which is why I said Cashman needed to go after one or both of D'Arnaud and Maldonado after 2019 (I pushed for Salvador Perez very hard at one point too as you'll recall but maybe even at his lowest he was never really available). D'Arnaud signed for 2/16 and another 2/16 for 2022/2023 this past summer, Maldonado signed for 2/7 and another 1/5.5 for 2022 this past summer. They were the two starting catchers in this year's WS and their teams have both won divisions each of the past two seasons. Cashman's mistake here seems to have been combining the two individually understandable positions of 1) I don't want to give up on Sanchez and 2) Higgy given his elite pitch-framing is a fine cheap backup, with no options left into not upgrading, when the obvious move was that at the minimum, upgrade alongside Sanchez if you don't want to replace him.I’m just saying certain positions can be hard to fix, beginning with catching.
I think pitchers have increasingly insane stuff, we saw that one postseason a few years ago where pitchers all seemed to get so amped up and even the best defensive catchers were struggling stopping all the crazy bounces and high fliers coming at them. Plus teams are so good at stealing signs (legally and illegally) that catchers have to throw so much constant mental energy on that side of things too, it must be incredibly mentally and physically draining, Posey just retired at 34 from a team that just won 107 games. We saw some games late in the season where Sanchez sat out the first half and came in after the SP was knocked out, and he looked awesome defensively late in those, so maybe a conditioning thing.Is there an explanation for the falloff in talent at catcher over the years?
I think the points JA brings up are all part of it, but I'd add that I think more use of a one-knee stance in order to steal more strikes also contributes.Is there an explanation for the falloff in talent at catcher over the years?
I think you can also add in how many pitchers they are catching every night. Catchers now need to know what 8 different pitchers might want to throw to a certain hitter every night. The mental aspect of catching, which has always been high, has increased dramatically with the way pitchers are used be the data available.I think pitchers have increasingly insane stuff, we saw that one postseason a few years ago where pitchers all seemed to get so amped up and even the best defensive catchers were struggling stopping all the crazy bounces and high fliers coming at them. Plus teams are so good at stealing signs (legally and illegally) that catchers have to throw so much constant mental energy on that side of things too, it must be incredibly mentally and physically draining, Posey just retired at 34 from a team that just won 107 games. We saw some games late in the season where Sanchez sat out the first half and came in after the SP was knocked out, and he looked awesome defensively late in those, so maybe a conditioning thing.