Just spitballing, but if they were going to fire him, wouldn't they have done that before firing the coaches?I really hope they dump Boone too, but not optimistic.
Who knows. There's also the possibility that they don't want to meet Boone's contract demands and it doesn't work out. Maybe they only want to give him 1 year but other teams are more likely to give him 2-3?Just spitballing, but if they were going to fire him, wouldn't they have done that before firing the coaches?
View: https://twitter.com/brendankutynj/status/1448703197787443203?s=21Just spitballing, but if they were going to fire him, wouldn't they have done that before firing the coaches?
Boone really is the Kevin Bacon character from "Animal House," isn't he?
Disagree, I think his poor bullpen management cost them a handful of games and he is the most obvious weak spot who is easily upgradeable. I think an average manager wins 95-96 games with this team, all else being equal.Who knows. There's also the possibility that they don't want to meet Boone's contract demands and it doesn't work out. Maybe they only want to give him 1 year but other teams are more likely to give him 2-3?
It's a mistake bringing Boone back but he's probably a pretty average manager overall who isn't going to take down a team. We didn't only win 92 games because of him. More of that is on the players and Cashman.
But every single manager on every team cost their team games with bad bullpen decisions. How many did he save by, for example, his usage of Holmes or Severino or Wade?Disagree, I think his poor bullpen management cost them a handful of games and he is the most obvious weak spot who is easily upgradeable. I think an average manager wins 95-96 games with this team, all else being equal.
Of course I’m not ignoring that, but overall he is a negative and needs to be upgraded.But every single manager on every team cost their team games with bad bullpen decisions. How many did he save by, for example, his usage of Holmes or Severino or Wade?
Red Sox fans would approve of this message. Is Gardner thought of as a future manager?Give Brett Gardner this job, get him off the field.
IMO the leaks coming out of the Yankees FO, is making it seem like Boone (or whoever is the next manager) is nothing more than a puppet for the yankees FO, and wont be free to make their own decisionsThis is interesting but Nevin wasn’t even the bench coach, so again blame should go to Boone here.
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The thing is that this isn’t actually possible because in-game situations require an actual manager, which Boone sucks at.IMO the leaks coming out of the Yankees FO, is making it seem like Boone (or whoever is the next manager) is nothing more than a puppet for the yankees FO, and wont be free to make their own decisions
I don't know, but in that case, you still need one guy (in the front office) making the decisions and you might as well make them manager, or at least bench coach, and put them in the dugout.Is a bat phone connected to the front office brain trust not allowed?
However, everything is scripted out for him in terms of lineups and other things. Boone does stink at in-game decision as a whole, but lineup construction/roster construction is all dictated from above him. He really is no more than a puppet for the front office. Cora, on the other hand, it feels like he has more of a voice in the Red Sox organization compared to what Boone has with the Yankees.The thing is that this isn’t actually possible because in-game situations require an actual manager, which Boone sucks at.
We've speculated a lot about this and I'm not sure we really know how much it is true. We know he is willing to take a lot more feedback from the front office than Girardi was, that is for sure. But I don't think we know exactly what that looks like. It's been a concern for a while though.However, everything is scripted out for him in terms of lineups and other things. Boone does stink at in-game decision as a whole, but lineup construction/roster construction is all dictated from above him. He really is no more than a puppet for the front office. Cora, on the other hand, it feels like he has more of a voice in the Red Sox organization compared to what Boone has with the Yankees.
Yes, I agree with this, the issue really is with his bullpen moves and his complete lack of any sense of how a game is progressing and how he needs to improvise off of the plan going into the game. He has no ability to improvise.However, everything is scripted out for him in terms of lineups and other things. Boone does stink at in-game decision as a whole, but lineup construction/roster construction is all dictated from above him. He really is no more than a puppet for the front office. Cora, on the other hand, it feels like he has more of a voice in the Red Sox organization compared to what Boone has with the Yankees.
He has had the job for FOUR YEARS and he is still awful at it. This isn't an entry level job, this is a job managing a team with a closing window and he is a large part of the reason NY has come up short in recent years. Is he the whole reason? Obviously not.I don't see managing a bullpen as one of those things. I think it is a skill that can be improved on.
They need a GM first and I doubt that GM would want to go with Boone, but Mike Shildt is available as of a couple hours ago.Boone to the Mets? Would Steve Cohen pull something like that?
I dislike Boone and want him gone. So I'm just playing Devil's Advocate...Boone is like the Andrew Velasquez of managers: everyone loves him as a person, he has some things he is very good at, and he is not good enough to be the manager/starting shortstop of a genuine contender. People can point to his regular season win totals but he has been badly overmatched every postseason (this season doesn't count as it was a single game with no real room for managerial input either way).
Either this or NY is offering just one year and he is holding out for more.This reads like Boone's going to get a 2 year extension and unless he gets to the WS next year he's gone. .
i didn’t dislike most of the other points he made except they’re probably not great tradesJim Bowden is a fool but I couldn’t resist copying his No. 1 solution for the Yankees, as posted in The Athletic. Eat your heart out, JA! Boone for the next decade.
1. Promote GM Brian Cashman to president of baseball operations and allow him to hire a general manager who would report directly to him. It’s time the Yankees reshuffle at the top of their org chart and take some of the day-to-day responsibilities off of Cashman’s plate so he can focus more on the big-picture items like improving the player development, scouting and analytics departments. Then re-sign manager Aaron Boone to a multi-year contract to lead this club with Cashman for the next decade. With those three moves behind them, the organization can spend all its time improving the 40-man roster, which is the team’s biggest problem.
Lindsey Adler wrote something similar to your first sentence in The Athletic today.Boone is like the Andrew Velasquez of managers: everyone loves him as a person, he has some things he is very good at, and he is not good enough to be the manager/starting shortstop of a genuine contender. People can point to his regular season win totals but he has been badly overmatched every postseason (this season doesn't count as it was a single game with no real room for managerial input either way).
https://theathletic.com/2890126/2021/10/14/what-do-the-yankees-want-their-coaching-staff-to-look-like?source=user-shared-articleNevin was often tasked with being the stern voice of the coaching staff and Boone is typically laid-back when it comes to managing his players.
The Yankees are said to be still considering their managerial options and whether they would be seeking many of the qualities Boone already brings to the table. The team believes a reimagined coaching staff — and a more productive offense — could theoretically enable him to be a more effective manager for the Yankees.
Boone is a smart and open-minded baseball person with significant personal experience in the game, but some members of the organization feel he’d be a more successful manager if he were given and acted with more authority in his position. All parties involved assert that Boone is given final say over matters involving things like the lineup and game management, though the front office — like in most other MLB organizations now — provides significant input.
Ah - got it. My $.02 is that if you have to deliberate this much about whether to retain someone who's been managing your team for four years, you should probably move on.Actually I think the opposite of that, he would be worse with more responsibility, and I disagree about his intelligence. He is not dumb but he is also not nearly as smart as (for instance) Girardi, Beltran, Cora, Hinch, Raul Ibanez, etc. NY keeps trying to paper over his flaws with other moves, but just fucking fire him.
Maybe this is Cashman squeezing Boone’s nuts and reminding him who is in charge. Surely Boone had private comments over his coaches being fired. This is a process nobody talks about publicly until they move on and write a book, or have someone write a book for them.Ah - got it. My $.02 is that if you have to deliberate this much about whether to retain someone who's been managing your team for four years, you should probably move on.