Well shit, then we can question the morals of the majority of owners in professional sports - not just football.I’d say the Hunts and the Steelers employing the likes of Hill and Ben is a strike against their morals.
How much of a shit franchise do you have to be to have these clowns' record of futility while paying off refs?Sadly, if that’s true. The ref bribing will overshadow the sexual assaults.
Nope.Yea in today’s America that story isn’t gonna cause a guy to lose an NFL team.
Because it was about women. That’s why.This was good.
Wasn't there a story a few years ago about the Redskins basically trapping cheerleaders on an island? Why did that story not blow up? It was essentially close to human trafficking as I recall.
What the heck. The previous story about the cheerleaders should have been enough! Let’s see if advertisers and sponsors exert pressure. I am doubtful.That's scandalous, but it doesn't seem to rise to the level of minority owners looking to unload their position.
It doesn’t matter if it wasn’t as horrific as rumored. It’s awful!As many feared, this is a terrible story, but not as terrible as was rumored. Curious to see if that winds up tamping down the levels of outrage. It also sounds like everyone who's mentioned other than Snyder has left the team, and there's nothing directly implicating Snyder in any of this.
But who cares? This is bad enough. The story about the cheerleaders was bad enough.It's bad, but it's literally nowhere near what people had been talking about for the last 24 hours. I would even say that the rumors of the last 24 hours could diminish the impact of this story.
Thank you.Schefter carrying copious amounts of water by focusing on Washington’s amusement at the more outlandish rumors rather than focusing on the deplorable conduct actually reported on. Fucking access merchants.
Not funny.I heard "Redtails" is out
and Piece of tail is gaining traction
But it should. What is wrong with this culture that it doesn’t?Yea in today’s America that story isn’t gonna cause a guy to lose an NFL team.
Good post. Snyder should be done. No equivocation.Reading through this thread as a woman, I’m not sure how to convey my reaction diplomatically. What should happen is that advertisers exert further pressure to force change. My guess is that they will not.
Because it was about women. That’s why.
What the heck. The previous story about the cheerleaders should have been enough! Let’s see if advertisers and sponsors exert pressure. I am doubtful.
It doesn’t matter if it wasn’t as horrific as rumored. It’s awful!
But who cares? This is bad enough. The story about the cheerleaders was bad enough.
Thank you.
Not funny.
But it should. What is wrong with this culture that it doesn’t?
I don't mean to single you out, but your joke was neither pointed nor funny. It wasn't satirical at all, it was frat-bro low-hanging fruit. Rick Reilly could've come up with it. Your history here has been a good one and I'm quite sure you didn't intend any malice by your comment, so my response is more of a signpost for everyone: just because you think a one-liner is there doesn't mean you have to take a swing at it. Especially if you can't land it.Not funny.
Hildy it was meant as a pointed satrical take on the Redskin's FO workplace and their attitude and behavior towards women colleagues.
If you took offense at the comment, I'm sorry as it was not intended in that manner.
I think most everyone here agrees with you, and Nator was being cynical about the type of people who make decisions in NFL franchises. Which is pretty warranted.What the heck. The previous story about the cheerleaders should have been enough! Let’s see if advertisers and sponsors exert pressure. I am doubtful.
It was meant as satire and my take on the Redskins FO and its attitude towards women.I don't mean to single you out, but your joke was neither pointed nor funny. It wasn't satirical at all, it was frat-bro low-hanging fruit. Rick Reilly could've come up with it. Your history here has been a good one and I'm quite sure you didn't intend any malice by your comment, so my response is more of a signpost for everyone: just because you think a one-liner is there doesn't mean you have to take a swing at it. Especially if you can't land it.
I feel like, in addition to the KC issues previously highlighted, including Bengals ownership in this list sits uncomfortably. The franchise has long been known for not really caring about "character" in its player evaluation. Maybe this also protects them from buying into certain shitty narratives about African-Americans, but it's not really great in terms of how the franchise deals with womens' issues. And the Giants had the Josh Brown fiasco.Bengals: Mike Brown is as dumb as the day is long, but I'd say his morals are fine.
Look at Double-Down Trent!It was meant as satire and my take on the Redskins FO and its attitude towards women.
I shoot for honest and on-target with my tongue in cheek observations. And I believe I hit on both. If you do not share my take, you don't. And I'll get over it.
And i apologized to Hildy for any misunderstandings.
You want a story that has REALLY gone under the radar for most people? Check out this SI piece about the Saints involvement in the Catholic priest abuse cases in the New Orleans diocese: https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/06/17/saints-help-to-church-more-extensive-than-admittedI feel like, in addition to the KC issues previously highlighted, including Bengals ownership in this list sits uncomfortably. The franchise has long been known for not really caring about "character" in its player evaluation. Maybe this also protects them from buying into certain shitty narratives about African-Americans, but it's not really great in terms of how the franchise deals with womens' issues. And the Giants had the Josh Brown fiasco.
What's been reported seems largely analogous to the Mavericks harassment scandal, which didn't particularly come close to forcing Cuban out. Then again, Cuban did at least show significant contrition, which Dan Snyder seems incapable of doing, and wasn't in the middle of a different scandal at the time. Plus the Mavs won a title under Cuban's ownership, which shouldn't matter but obviously does. A year or so after the Mavs things broke, I remember Bill Simmons talking about the more aware owners in the NBA on his podcast, and he listed Cuban. His guest (might have been Rusillo, I don't precisely remember) had to remind Simmons that this scandal even happened.
Unfortunately I think we're going to have to listen to a lot of that should the ref thing have any legs.How much of a shit franchise do you have to be to have these clowns' record of futility while paying off refs?
On the flip side, CAN YOU IMAGINE Bill Belichick with paid off refs? HE'D BE UNSTOPPABLE
I'm glad you apologized, but doubling down is the wrong play.It was meant as satire and my take on the Redskins FO and its attitude towards women.
I shoot for honest and on-target with my tongue in cheek observations. And I believe I hit on both. If you do not share my take, you don't. And I'll get over it.
And i apologized to Hildy for any misunderstandings.
We discussed it briefly here: https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/2020-saints-working-with-sinners.29482/You want a story that has REALLY gone under the radar for most people? Check out this SI piece about the Saints involvement in the Catholic priest abuse cases in the New Orleans diocese: https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/06/17/saints-help-to-church-more-extensive-than-admitted
Agreed 1000%.The team should release all the women from those NDAs, the league should put overwhelming pressure on the team to do so, and sponsors should put overwhelming pressure on the league to do that. That this isn't already happening is an indictment of all involved.
Thanks. Cross-posting the new SI piece in there.We discussed it briefly here: https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/2020-saints-working-with-sinners.29482/
What, me cynical?I think most everyone here agrees with you, and Nator was being cynical about the type of people who make decisions in NFL franchises. Which is pretty warranted.
I also agree that in any sort of sane world that cheerleader story should have resulted in jail time. I was certainly not making light of this story either.What the heck. The previous story about the cheerleaders should have been enough! Let’s see if advertisers and sponsors exert pressure. I am doubtful.
I took a satirical stab at an organization with a very long history of prejudice and misogyny. Under a lot of financial pressure they finally decided to re-brand themselves and drop the offensive imagery. However, In the midst of the re-branding effort they find themselves again exposed by their culture of misogyny and intolerance, with an expose of 10 years of sexual harrassment. My two sentence barb, in my opinion, was meant to capture the hypocrisy and toxic culture of the organization that their rebranding would mask. And i explained myself and apologized for anyone misunderstanding my intent.I'm glad you apologized, but doubling down is the wrong play.
The joke didn't land because it was not funny.
Farce is probably the right word. From this article.IANAL, but is this as much of a farce as it seems like it is? Deferring to Snyders outside counsel, who he pays for, and who, at least to some degree, are expected to serve his needs? It feels the table is already being set for him to skate on this. Lawyers, if I'm off base, please advise. Otherwise, just one more piece of evidence that this thing I'm pathetically addicted to on Sundays in the fall is completely corrupt.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/17/nfl-plans-to-defer-to-the-lawyer-daniel-snyder-has-hired/
Bullshit is probably a better word.Washington has engaged outside counsel, not the NFL. Outside counsel always has a duty to outside counsel’s client. Here, outside counsel’s client is Washington. More specifically, the client is Snyder. Outside counsel undoubtedly will not make findings that include, for example, placing significant blame on Snyder for creating, tolerating, encouraging, and/or failing to rectify a toxic culture that resulted in these allegations.
Amazingly, the league has decided both to allow and to embrace this approach. Did the Saints get to hire their own lawyer to investigate the bounty scandal? Did the Dolphins get to hire their own lawyer to investigate the Richie Incognito/Jonathan Martin situation? Did the Patriots get to hire their own lawyer to investigate the Tom Brady air-pressure allegations? Far more relevant to the current situation, did the Panthers get to hire their own lawyer to investigate the allegations of misconduct that eventually forced team founder Jerry Richardson to sell?
"I'm sorry you were offended because you didn't understand my joke."I took a satirical stab at an organization with a very long history of prejudice and misogyny. Under a lot of financial pressure they finally decided to re-brand themselves and drop the offensive imagery. However, In the midst of the re-branding effort they find themselves again exposed by their culture of misogyny and intolerance, with an expose of 10 years of sexual harrassment. My two sentence barb, in my opinion, was meant to capture the hypocrisy and toxic culture of the organization that their rebranding would mask. And i explained myself and apologized for anyone misunderstanding my intent.
https://deadspin.com/a-former-six-flags-employee-contributes-to-our-satirica-5835773Years ago I worked with a couple of guys who left our place to go work for Snyder's RedZone operation that ran Six Flags, among other things. They did not paint a flattering picture of him. Lots of verbal abuse, with a ton of ethnic "jokes" peppered in. There's zero doubt that the culture he's created in his football front office is rotten. He's an objectively bad guy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/07/17/daniel-snyder-must-go-nfl/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-low_brewer-1020am:homepage/story-ansTo hell with the name. It doesn’t matter what you call Daniel Snyder’s ruinous franchise. It will still be offensive. The team needs a reckoning, or a wrecking ball, as much as a rebranding. If this isn’t the trigger — if the sexual harassment allegations of 15 former female employees and two reporters cannot obliterate a despicable organizational culture — then neither Snyder nor the entire NFL ownership club is worthy of anything other than scorn.
No apology and he doesn't take even a shred of responsibility for this happening on his watch. Just another load of empty, "We'll do better," promises. I guess that's par for the course from this piece of trash but it's still pathetic.And right on cue Shefter carries Snyder's water:
View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1284147092462731266?s=20
"I am shocked that these things went on in the organization I own and run!"No apology and he doesn't take even a shred of responsibility for this happening on his watch. Just another load of empty, "We'll do better," promises. I guess that's par for the course from this piece of trash but it's still pathetic.
There’s a saying about glass houses that applies here.The team should release all the women from those NDAs, the league should put overwhelming pressure on the team to do so, and sponsors should put overwhelming pressure on the league to do that. That this isn't already happening is an indictment of all involved.
No shit. Let's end this tangent and get back to the topic at hand please.Boy am I glad that we finally got around to discussing the important part of the story - "Adam Schefter: reporter or commentator?"
Baptism by fire for sure but I'm guessing he's going to have a whole lot to say about the rebuild of not just the team but the organization. ATM he seems to be the face of the franchise both on the field and off. Do they even have a GM/president of football operations? He could come out of this a hero.I assume "Coach Rivera" is wondering why the hell he ever took this job.
No, that was Bruce Allen; Rivera is de facto GM. Highest listed exec is Doug Williams as VP of Player Development; he might be getting a raise and promotion to quell the fan base.Baptism by fire for sure but I'm guessing he's going to have a whole lot to say about the rebuild of not just the team but the organization. ATM he seems to be the face of the franchise both on the field and off. Do they even have a GM/president of football operations? He could come out of this a hero.
Heard a guy from DC sports radio station suggest that minority sale has been in works for awhile.Minority owners (including one who is the founder and CEO of the company that retains naming rights to the stadium they play in) don't bail over a scandal that doesn't include significant ownership involvement in the behavior in question. Yet, they are all bailing.
You need to reboot your conspiracy cap. Mara has been shielding Snyder with NFL HQ so the Giants face one less serious contender in their division.The issue with stripping Snyder of the franchise is that Goodell had the chance to do so when the "pimping out cheerleaders and taking away their passports" story broke several years ago, and he did nothing. I haven't heard that Snyder is one of the particularly powerful owners (unlike Jones, Kraft, Lurie etc) but even so it's an odd blind spot from the league.
Maybe they were shooting for satire and you just missed the joke.I found the NFL statement a little disappointing
"The NFL said in the statement,
“Everyone in the NFL has the right to work in an environment free from any and all forms of harassment ... We will meet with the attorneys upon the conclusion of their investigation and take any action based on the findings,”
While I should not damn an independent in-house investigation before it takes place, if the NFL can spend a seeming eternity and millions of dollars on an independent investigation of cold footballs it seems even in the midst of a pandemic, it could run its own investigation of a decade long scandal, rather than rely upon an in-house investigation of the house.
i don't see Snyder being forced out on what we've heard so far. He'll probably get fined the max for lack of institutional control, and maybe get whacked draft choices and be subject to oversite in the adoption and implementation of corrective measures the investigation reccomends and the NFL rubber stamps.
View: https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1284079663187468291/photo/1