Of course we would but we are also fans. As a coach and an organization it's a little bit different. Control what you can control. Look at where you can improve. That's generally what good organizations will do. Payton will probably re-focus and maybe he gets the rest of the team to put it behind them.Big picture is that there's no excuse for that non-call and there's no doubt that it took a win away from the Saints. What happened before or after is totally irrelevant to the impact of that easy call. Payton could have done 1,000 different (and better) things before and after that fiasco and it's still a robbery because it doesn't change the facts of that moment. Saying "he shoulda", or "what if" has no bearing on what actually happened, which was the Saints getting a championship taken away by an enormously incompetent decision. This wasn't a judgment error or a blocked view error. This was a game-changing event...that changed the game.
Payton doesn't have to make the right clock management decision there. Brees doesn't have to make a better throw in OT. Why?, because they both belonged on the field receiving a trophy regardless of any other consequential event. Something is broken in the NFL and they better fix it.
...and I call that this board would be livid over the non-call on the pick if the Pats had lost (one drop on a 3rd down), even though Brady could have not thrown 2 (really 3) interceptions and the team could have kicked a field goal. Those events had nothing to do with the pick non-call, which was a much more difficult decision than the obvious head to head and PI tackle.
They could legitimately call holding on every playI'm in favor of the replay officials signaling down anytime during the game when they see something.
Yup. It's tricky. And to be honest, I'm not sure about penalties. That's a tough line to walk.They could legitimately call holding on every play
That's really amazing. Tough situations for those fans. At least they do have that one win.Heard on a radio interview today pretty remarkable stat. Saints lost consecutive playoff games with 99% win probability under 2 minutes to play (with the assumption of the correct PI call). That's double lotto winner type odds.
Yes I was spitballing on the lotto winner odds.That's really amazing. Tough situations for those fans. At least they do have that one win.
Wouldn't it be something like 1/10,000?
But, more fundamentally, even if we're talking about lightening strike odds, generally when I hear a stat like that, which suggests that something that happened in a sport being played and tracked for less than a hundred years, was a one in a kazillion chance, my assumption is that the stat is flawed not that we've seen something nearly impossible.
Yeah, I was being snarky mostly. Whatever the numbers, it's crazy.Yes I was spitballing on the lotto winner odds.
Losing on a hail mary the previous year and then an undeniable incorrect call which turns a W into an L is unprecedented obviously.
Have 10 isolated people watching the game. Each of them gets a buzzer. They get to stop and rewind and slow mo, but the only time the game stops for a review is if all ten of them buzz down before the ball is snapped.I think that goes back to Belichick's proposal to allow all players be reviewable.
I'm in favor of the replay officials signaling down anytime during the game when they see something.
Exactly. Who decides egregious? I can think of several off the top of my head that were just as egregious this weekend.The issue would be the league attempting to define egregious. I can’t see them coming up with a reasonable review process for penalties.
Didn't the Jags win a Super Bowl a few months back?Brees and the Saints have already won a Super Bowl - my team (the Saints' biggest rival, and vice versa) led one 28-3 and lost. Hard for me to get *too* worked up by all of this, or feel too sorry for the Saints fans that have been to the top of the mountain. Here's who you should really feel sorry for:
Bengals
Bills
Browns*
Cardinals
Chargers
Falcons
Jaguars*
Lions*
Panthers
Texans*
Titans
Vikings
None of those franchises have ever won a Super Bowl. (The four teams marked with asterisks have never *reached* a Super Bowl.)
I know you're at least half-joking, but this really is one of the stupidest memes for Pats fans to latch onto. This is the best football dynasty in history we're talking about - OF COURSE other teams get super-motivated to play the Patriots, and those lesser teams have every right to get super-excited if they somehow defeat the Patriots. Why shouldn't they view their Pats games as mini-Super Bowls? They're testing themselves against the best. That's how this works.Didn't the Jags win a Super Bowl a few months back?
Correct, but it is laughable when these other teams get up for the Pats and then fall flat on their faces in the following weeks. Instead of putting everything into beating the Pats, maybe they should approach games against lesser opponents with more focus. The Dolphins were in position to make the playoffs are beating the Pats, and they lost out. Every team that beat the Pats this year played horribly in the weeks that followed. I don't think it is a coincidence. In fact I think there is a stat going back several years that teams lose a hugely disproportionate amount of games the week after beating the Pats. It is just interesting because one of the tenets of the BB/TB12 era is there are no "big games" - every game matters as much as the next one.I know you're at least half-joking, but this really is one of the stupidest memes for Pats fans to latch onto. This is the best football dynasty in history we're talking about - OF COURSE other teams get super-motivated to play the Patriots, and those lesser teams have every right to get super-excited if they somehow defeat the Patriots. Why shouldn't they view their Pats games as mini-Super Bowls? They're testing themselves against the best. That's how this works.
Fair comment and analysis - in the context of how those other teams ought to play and behave. In the context of how I think Pats fans should react when other teams do get super-motivated to play the Patriots and win, I'd ask for much less salt, please.Correct, but it is laughable when these other teams get up for the Pats and then fall flat on their faces in the following weeks. Instead of putting everything into beating the Pats, maybe they should approach games against lesser opponents with more focus. The Dolphins were in position to make the playoffs are beating the Pats, and they lost out. Every team that beat the Pats this year played horribly in the weeks that followed. I don't think it is a coincidence. In fact I think there is a stat going back several years that teams lose a hugely disproportionate amount of games the week after beating the Pats. It is just interesting because one of the tenets of the BB/TB12 era is there are no "big games" - every game matters as much as the next one.
You realize we're just having fun right? That we're not *really* worked up about it? And we're on a Pats-centric website preaching to the choir?Fair comment and analysis - in the context of how those other teams ought to play and behave. In the context of how I think Pats fans should react when other teams do get super-motivated to play the Patriots and win, I'd ask for much less salt, please.
@Harry Hooper (above) was clearly having some fun; it doesn't always sound like everyone here is having fun when they talk like that. Anyone can be whatever kind of fan they want to be, of course, but there are ways to not come across to others as an entitled ass. And if you want to avoid the latter, acknowledging that being #1 does and ought to put a target on your back certainly helps.You realize we're just having fun right? That we're not *really* worked up about it? And we're on a Pats-centric website preaching to the choir?
Sure, but again, there's not exactly Jags fans here--we're talking amongst ourselves.@Harry Hooper (above) was clearly having some fun; it doesn't always sound like everyone here is having fun when they talk like that. Anyone can be whatever kind of fan they want to be, of course, but there are ways to not come across to others as an entitled ass. And if you want to avoid the latter, acknowledging that being #1 does and ought to put a target on your back certainly helps.
Man alive, if we can't mock the Jaguars, who can we mock? They crushed the Patriots and then their season ended immediately after. That warrants a mocking.Sure, but again, there's not exactly Jags fans here--we're talking amongst ourselves.
And I think, at least in my case, is it's not that we care there's a target on our backs it's that the Jags spent the offseason saying things like "the better team lost", playing into it. They built it up into a big game and then people say fans on the other team shouldn't respond in kind? That's what sports is--entertainment.
And I can assure you, that as much as we may be entitled asses in here, it's because we are in here. But to each his own. In this case I think you're reading way too much into. But then again, I'm not that bright
The Texans and those letterman jackets?Man alive, if we can't mock the Jaguars, who can we mock?
The Colts and their banners?The Texans and those letterman jackets?
The Jets hiring a frog in a person-suit as head coach?The other Manning and his face?
The fact that the Lions have never made the Super Bowl is just pathetic, outside of a year here or there, they've basically sucked since Christ was in a crib, been to a whopping one NFCCG where they got demolished by the Redskins.Brees and the Saints have already won a Super Bowl - my team (the Saints' biggest rival, and vice versa) led one 28-3 and lost. Hard for me to get *too* worked up by all of this, or feel too sorry for the Saints fans that have been to the top of the mountain. Here's who you should really feel sorry for:
Bengals
Bills
Browns*
Cardinals
Chargers
Falcons
Jaguars*
Lions*
Panthers
Texans*
Titans
Vikings
None of those franchises have ever won a Super Bowl. (The four teams marked with asterisks have never *reached* a Super Bowl.)
The Lions (and the Browns), OK, the Cardinals too, won pro football championships before the Super Bowl era. Winning the NFL Title Game was the highest prize there was in those years. Yet, nobody ever gives those teams credit for those, while the Sox fly pennants for world series titles outside of Fenway from 1912, 1918, etc.The fact that the Lions have never made the Super Bowl is just pathetic, outside of a year here or there, they've basically sucked since Christ was in a crib, been to a whopping one NFCCG where they got demolished by the Redskins.
The biggest bust on that list is the Vikings; if I'm not mistaken, they've been to 8 NFCCG's and 4 Super Bowls and have nothing to show for it.
Edit; I just looked it up; they've actually been to 10, 4-6 in the NFCCG and 0-4 in the Super Bowl, including that epic fail vs the Falcons at home.
Wow.
Brutal.
That's a very fair point.The Lions (and the Browns), OK, the Cardinals too, won pro football championships before the Super Bowl era. Winning the NFL Title Game was the highest prize there was in those years. Yet, nobody ever gives those teams credit for those, while the Sox fly pennants for world series titles outside of Fenway from 1912, 1918, etc.
This was my other greatest day as a Falcons fan, of course - I can still picture the exact bar in London's East End where I watched it - and it does help me keep some perspective that hey, sometimes my team(s) can occasionally benefit from someone else's heartbreak.that epic fail vs the Falcons at home
The Lions last won the NFL Title game in 1957 (had to look that up); so basically, no one under the age of 70 who's a Lions fan remembers it.The Lions (and the Browns), OK, the Cardinals too, won pro football championships before the Super Bowl era. Winning the NFL Title Game was the highest prize there was in those years. Yet, nobody ever gives those teams credit for those, while the Sox fly pennants for world series titles outside of Fenway from 1912, 1918, etc.
ESPN has to make news. This is a way to do it.#socalgate
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25863631/concern-nfl-4-officials-nfc-championship-game-live-southern-california
Love that espn is still pushing conspiracy theories.
I see —gate in a football thread and I think Patriots. Could you change the thread title to “non-Patriots something something?#socalgate
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25863631/concern-nfl-4-officials-nfc-championship-game-live-southern-california
Love that espn is still pushing conspiracy theories.