I'd like to believe he will be gone soon, but i doubt it.Delay of game on a 4th down 4th quarter game tying FG attempt. And the gym teacher apparently stomping around on the sideline like it is someone else's fault
I wonder who that leather lung wasI could hear the, “You suck, Daz!” coming from QQ.
What should expectations be for BC?Daz is mediocrity personified. Impossible to get even remotely excited about this team/program for as long as he’s here.
Agree that they self impose restrictions that many of their opponents do not (No JUCO transfers, higher academic standards than other programs, etc.) and clearly they admit they are a development program, meaning they get 2 and 3 star recruits and very rarely 4 star recruits. I don;t think they ever have gotten a 5 star recruit (others may have info to the contrary) so that they have to coach up players and expectations are generally manageable. Keep in mind, they are in the ACC and in the Atlantic, so as Daz constantly tells everyone who wants to listen, they are playing in the toughest division in college football. Notwithstanding that, their OOC schedule is not a murderers row by any stretch of the imagination,. This year's OOC was handpicked by Addazio as is most of the opponents (sans Notre Dame). They played USC home/home but that was scheduled long before Daz ever showed up on campus. They have tOSU on the agenda but that is still 10 years off, was pushed back after Addazio was here for a couple of years. It is highly unlikely he will be around when those games are played. When you are playing teams like Kansas, Rutgers FCS schools, UConn, UMass, Temple, MAC team of the week, etc. your stats will inflate if you are getting ACC $$, upgrading facilities and getting high end G5/low end P5 recruits. Those kids are better than most of the OOC schools on their schedule and the results speak for themselves (only one loss to a non P5 opponent in Daz's 7 years at BC).What should expectations be for BC?
Their situation has to be in the bottom 10 among P5 teams — New England is a weak recruiting pool, BC’s football history isn’t glorious, Alumni Stadium is a barely adequate FBS venue, BC puts constraints on athletic recruiting (academic requirements, etc.) that most P5 schools don’t, etc. None of these factors can be influenced by the athletic department. Even the school administration can only address a subset of them.
Addazio’s teams are maddening to watch, but the results are about what I’d expect given the factors that he can’t influence. Maybe a new coach would offer a brief respite from mediocrity, but mediocrity is likely to be the long-term norm for BC football for the foreseeable future, and there’s at least as much downside as upside to that baseline — in other words, a new coach is just as likely to make us wistful for the days of Daz’s mediocrity as he is to draw comparisons to Tom Coughlin, and if he manages to pull off the latter he won’t be here for long.
Expectations should be to achieve what TOB achieved. TOB was coming off of a gambling scandal and got this program to 25-40 respectability most years. He even got them up to #2 in the nation thanks to Matt Ryan. The same limitations were there when TOB was winning 8-9 games in some years.What should expectations be for BC?
Their situation has to be in the bottom 10 among P5 teams — New England is a weak recruiting pool, BC’s football history isn’t glorious, Alumni Stadium is a barely adequate FBS venue, BC puts constraints on athletic recruiting (academic requirements, etc.) that most P5 schools don’t, etc. None of these factors can be influenced by the athletic department. Even the school administration can only address a subset of them.
Addazio’s teams are maddening to watch, but the results are about what I’d expect given the factors that he can’t influence. Maybe a new coach would offer a brief respite from mediocrity, but mediocrity is likely to be the long-term norm for BC football for the foreseeable future, and there’s at least as much downside as upside to that baseline — in other words, a new coach is just as likely to make us wistful for the days of Daz’s mediocrity as he is to draw comparisons to Tom Coughlin, and if he manages to pull off the latter he won’t be here for long.
TOB is only the most successful head coach in the 100+ year history of the program. (Bicknell managed only one 8-win season outside the Flutie years; Coughlin wasn’t at BC long enough to merit consideration.) And most of TOB’s run was in the old Big East — which wasn’t the laughingstock in those days that it later became, but was certainly weaker than today’s ACC.Expectations should be to achieve what TOB achieved. TOB was coming off of a gambling scandal and got this program to 25-40 respectability most years. He even got them up to #2 in the nation thanks to Matt Ryan. The same limitations were there when TOB was winning 8-9 games in some years.
TOB was an 8/9 win head coach at his peak. Daz is currently a 6/7 win head coach. It's not unrealistic at all to think BC can get to TOB levels in the ACC. The talent level of the program isn't terrible, as we are putting guys in the NFL almost every year. The problem is the coaching and the fact that the QB situation has been a dumpster fire for a decade plus since Matt Ryan.TOB is only the most successful head coach in the 100+ year history of the program. (Bicknell managed only one 8-win season outside the Flutie years; Coughlin wasn’t at BC long enough to merit consideration.) And most of TOB’s run was in the old Big East — which wasn’t the laughingstock in those days that it later became, but was certainly weaker than today’s ACC.
Kind of proves my point about expectations being unrealistic.
I’m guessing the old Big East was worth a win per season relative to today’s ACC — at the highest level, the automatic W over Temple has been replaced by an automatic L to Clemson, and everything else was a wash. So TOB’s 8-9 wins then translates to 7-8 wins, which isn’t materially better than Daz’s 6-7 wins. And the number of NFL players BC produces is a point for Daz, not against him — it’s not like BC is attracting any can’t-miss prospects, so the coaching staff must be doing some things right.TOB was an 8/9 win head coach at his peak. Daz is currently a 6/7 win head coach. It's not unrealistic at all to think BC can get to TOB levels in the ACC. The talent level of the program isn't terrible, as we are putting guys in the NFL almost every year. The problem is the coaching and the fact that the QB situation has been a dumpster fire for a decade plus since Matt Ryan.
I just don't agree with your point on unrealistic expectations. I'm not expecting a program that is top 25 every year and competes for BCS bowls. I'm expecting, with incremental improvement, a program that can reach top 25-40 some years with the occasional 2007 style "special" year. The current ACC is absolute garbage. Nobody outside of Clemson is anything special. Why can't BC be one of the top 3-4 teams in the non-Clemson division?
I think your point is far more apt in basketball.
I don’t see how Daz winning 6-7 games with roster that includes NFL talent is a point for him. It shows he’s not maximizing the talent and he probably costs this team 1-2 wins every year with his style and poor game management. I think 7-8 wins should be the baseline with the occasional 9/10 win seasons when things break right. QB play is paramount in college football and we’ve had terrible QBs for a decade. Daz clearly isn’t doing the job there. Someone else can step in an get those 3 automatic OOC wins and scrap together 3 wins against the dregs of the ACC.I’m guessing the old Big East was worth a win per season relative to today’s ACC — at the highest level, the automatic W over Temple has been replaced by an automatic L to Clemson, and everything else was a wash. So TOB’s 8-9 wins then translates to 7-8 wins, which isn’t materially better than Daz’s 6-7 wins. And the number of NFL players BC produces is a point for Daz, not against him — it’s not like BC is attracting any can’t-miss prospects, so the coaching staff must be doing some things right.
Daz’s teams are brutal to watch, so I won’t be upset if he’s replaced by a coach who runs a 21st century offense. I do think that such a change would slightly increase the odds of catching lightning in a bottle for one magic season — you’ve got a better chance to upset an elite team running a spread than you do trying to ram the ball down their throats. Over the long run, however, I wouldn’t expect a coaching change to yield materially better results — consistent, 6-7 win seasons is not shabby performance.
Buffalo's Lance Leipold or Texas A&M's Mike Elko would be nice replacements for Daz.I don’t see how Daz winning 6-7 games with roster that includes NFL talent is a point for him. It shows he’s not maximizing the talent and he probably costs this team 1-2 wins every year with his style and poor game management. I think 7-8 wins should be the baseline with the occasional 9/10 win seasons when things break right. QB play is paramount in college football and we’ve had terrible QBs for a decade. Daz clearly isn’t doing the job there. Someone else can step in an get those 3 automatic OOC wins and scrap together 3 wins against the dregs of the ACC.
The difference of 4 wins and 6 wins is meaningless to me. It’s time to gamble on getting a Daz improvement.
The Temple win has been replaced with a cupcake non-ND OOC opponent. Of course Kansas was that this year, so yeah. But here are the OOC opponents the next few years.I’m guessing the old Big East was worth a win per season relative to today’s ACC — at the highest level, the automatic W over Temple has been replaced by an automatic L to Clemson, and everything else was a wash. So TOB’s 8-9 wins then translates to 7-8 wins, which isn’t materially better than Daz’s 6-7 wins. And the number of NFL players BC produces is a point for Daz, not against him — it’s not like BC is attracting any can’t-miss prospects, so the coaching staff must be doing some things right.
Daz’s teams are brutal to watch, so I won’t be upset if he’s replaced by a coach who runs a 21st century offense. I do think that such a change would slightly increase the odds of catching lightning in a bottle for one magic season — you’ve got a better chance to upset an elite team running a spread than you do trying to ram the ball down their throats. Over the long run, however, I wouldn’t expect a coaching change to yield materially better results — consistent, 6-7 win seasons is not shabby performance.
Hasn’t that been the case since the Big East started playing football? (The independent days were obviously different.)The Temple win has been replaced with a cupcake non-ND OOC opponent. Of course Kansas was that this year, so yeah. But here are the OOC opponents the next few years.
Holy Cross
Ohio
Purdue
Kansas
UMass
Temple
Missouri
Rutgers
Maine
UConn
ND
Holy Cross
Army
UConn
Michigan Stare
Missouri
Who knows about Missouri/Purdue each year but that’s 5 years before they have a traditionally good non-ND (which is more or less in conference given their deal with the ACC).
Exactly - whatever risk there is in firing Daz and ending up with a worse head coach is mitigated by the fact that I already don’t really enjoy watching the team. So I’d gladly take a shot at maybe catching lightning in a bottle, even if only for a few years a la Jags, than whistling merrily along as BC wins 6-7 games every year.The difference of 4 wins and 6 wins is meaningless to me. It’s time to gamble on getting a Daz improvement.
This is where I am. Let’s say we make a move and the new guy is Spaz level bad. Our opportunity cost is missing out on some Poop.com bowl games. Daz is in Year 7. We know what he’s capable of. A school like BC shouldn’t keep some mediocre coach around forever just because winning at BC isn’t easy. It’s been done before and can be done again. And prior coaches didn’t have the benefit of playing in the ACC and the exposure that provides in today’s tv age.Exactly - whatever risk there is in firing Daz and ending up with a worse head coach is mitigated by the fact that I already don’t really enjoy watching the team. So I’d gladly take a shot at maybe catching lightning in a bottle, even if only for a few years a la Jags, than whistling merrily along as BC wins 6-7 games every year.
Looking through the old schedules, they generally played one decent to good “P5” team (Stanford, Penn St, BYU, etc.), ND, Army/Navy, and a fourth cupcake. Plus the Big East was decent enough with VTech and Miami outside of the last year when those two had already left for the ACC. The OOC conference didn’t really change until BC joined the ACC, when they started scheduling a lot of MAC and Good for New England games.Hasn’t that been the case since the Big East started playing football? (The independent days were obviously different.)
I don’t recall there being many big non-ND OOC games over the past 25 years — but there were a lot of years in there when I didn’t follow BC football closely at all, so I’ll gladly accept correction.
Yup...Given your defense is weak and thin and you have a great running attack, doesn't it make more sense to kill clock and not run hurry-up?
For once it's hard to complain about no halftime adjustments. They ran all over one of the best run defenses in the country in the 1st half and did it again in the 2nd half, why change something that NC State had no answer for. Only adjustment they should have made, which may or may not have been on Daz was the kicking situation, pretty sure Longman put 5 KOs out of bounds, including one that didn't count because of an offsides. If Daz was telling him anything but to bomb kickoffs down the middle that's a big mistake, especially since Longman has a pretty good leg for a college kicker.Not that BC would ever do such a thing as firing Daz during the season but didn't Clemson fire Bowden during the season and make Dabo Swinney the coach? Swinney got the support of the players and was eventually named permanent coach. Obviously BC is not Clemson but just in response to @kennycb's point about an interim having no impact.
Onto today's game which BC dominated for the most part. However, BC was actually tied in points in the second half which shows once again no halftime adjustments. What is BC"s scoring differential in the second half? Could @berniecarbohydrate post the stats again? On the other hand, BC did have a 35 to 3 lead so maybe in this case, you could throw out the second half stats.
As other's have said, I see 6 or at the most 7 wins total this year which equals a trip to the WHOGIVESADAMM Bowl in buttfuck Alabama. They can probably beat FSU ,(their coach is just as clueless as Daz) especially if it's cold out. Throw in a win against either Syracuse or Pittsburgh and there you have it.
Does anyone disagree with my assessment? I would like any feedback.
I would agree with you if BC had to address Daz’s contract after the season, but he has 3 years left, so they don’t need to extend him until after 2020. I think Daz is a lock to return next season if they secure a bowl berth.I refuse to acknowledge wins against FCS teams in the overall assessment of a team or coach who plays in the P5. Just my personal opinion but when you have 85 scholies, $25M per year coming from your league and on national TV (at least before this year and the ACC Network BS) 75% of the time you better be beating FCS opponents and by healthy margins. In fact you really shouldn’t even be playing them but I digress.
In my opinion BC is now really 3-3 and needs 3 more wins to make a bowl. I know they only need 2 and will probably find them with what’s left on the schedule but in order to “legitimately” claim a bowl bid and more importantly for Daz to keep his job they need 3 more wins. I think it’s safe to say one of those wins does not come next week or at South Bend in November. That means, in my crazy thinking, Daz has to beat everyone else on the schedule to get to 7 overall wins and have a prayer of a chance to stay on as HC. I do believe that MJ told Daz last year he needed 16 wins over these last 2 seasons to keep his job, including bowl game wins. The lightning game perhaps put a crimp in the plans but nonetheless Daz has won 11 so far. He wins all the winnable games left and the bowl game he ends up with 15 wins. If MJ gives him a mulligan for the bowl last year he “gets” to 16* wins and he’s back.
if he wins 2 of the 3 winnable games I see a scenario where he coaches to the end of the season and is let go and Jim Reid or someone else is named the interim for the bowl game. No pressure on the team next week as they are big ‘dogs and the hope is they keep Clemson to under 45. Fight On! Oops, that’s the chant from another coach and program under pressure who theoretically could win the PAC 12 this year and make the Rose Bowl 2 of the last 3 years and still getvrun out of town. It could be worse fellas
Sadly, I think you're right. The malaise will never end.I think Daz is a lock to return next season if they secure a bowl berth.