I'm pretty sure he knows what dastardly deeds the Yankees are up to as wellIt's also worth keeping in mind that Carlos Beltran is working for the Yankees currently and probably knows exactly what HOU is doing, or at least whatever they were doing through 2017.
But seriously, they are the victims of an unwritten rule breach. At least acknowledge it and the fact that were the league interested in fairness, the Yankees would be the beneficiary of unwritten remedies as a result.The poor, poor Yankees. No wonder they take those extended seventh-inning stretches; it's so they can regroup what with everyone conspiring against them
Only the second?This is the 2nd time that players on the opposing team have felt so strongly about the Yankee fans' behavior that they've spoken up about it. Having been to Yankee Stadium and sat out there, it does not surprise me.
And I remember when riot police came out of nowhere and setup shop in foul territory after debris came down during the 2004 ALCS:Steinbrenner, the Yankee owner, who has complained recently about low attendance at at Yankee Stadium, played down the seriousness of the fans' behavior, and said objects hurled at fans and onto the field were not dangerous. "They found one Frisbee and the rest was toilet paper," he told reporters after Wednesday's game.
But Mariners' officials and Yankee Stadium security guards said yesterday that besides the shot glass, the list of items that actually rained onto the field during both games was as varied as it was long: plastic cups, Frisbees, souvenir bats, stereo headphones, tomatoes, grapefruit, golf balls, bottles, batteries and an assortment of coins.
A softball narrowly missed the head of Lou Piniella, the Mariners' manager, and in the sixth inning Wednesday, after back-to-back homers by Ruben Sierra and Don Mattingly, Piniella went so far as to pull his team off the field for about three minutes as wild fans showered the field with debris.
Ah, thanks. Then the problem is worse than I thought.He meant the second time this postseason, a Twins relief pitcher complained also.
So their answer to this is to do their best not to get down 3-2 by starting Verlander on full rest in game 5. I think this is the right move but the real issue is if NY somehow does win two and goes up 3-2, HOU then kind of has to start Cole on 3 days rest in game 6 or risk the series ending before it gets back to him in game 7.Who starts Game 6 for Houston if they find themselves down 3-2? Uriquidy? They have the luxury of being up 2-1. Roll the dice in Game 4 with Uriquidy or use an opener like Peacock, then set yourself up for Greinke, Verlander, Cole 5-6-7.
That's silly. In that scenario, they need to win both games 6 AND 7. Use Cole on full rest in 7 rather than risk his effectiveness in game 6.So their answer to this is to do their best not to get down 3-2 by starting Verlander on full rest in game 5. I think this is the right move but the real issue is if NY somehow does win two and goes up 3-2, HOU then kind of has to start Cole on 3 days rest in game 6 or risk the series ending before it gets back to him in game 7.
I don't think it will happen so we will never know, but Jeff Passan agrees that this is what would happen in his just published overview:That's silly. In that scenario, they need to win both games 6 AND 7. Use Cole on full rest in 7 rather than risk his effectiveness in game 6.
But he gives no evidence for that - he doesn't cite sources or anything. He appears to be making an assumption. Passan has good sources for transactions, but is there any reason to think he knows what he's talking about here? It's an illogical strategy, and the Astros are the Astros.I don't think it will happen so we will never know, but Jeff Passan agrees that this is what would happen in his just published overview:
"Yankees win Game 4, win Game 5: Panic time for the Astros. With their season on the line, they likely move up Cole to start Game 6 on three days' rest to save their season."
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27848798/what-learned-far-mlb-playoffs-come-next
No, but there's no reason to think you know any better either. There's no reason to debate it either, you have an opinion and Passan and I have a different opinion, but we're not going to know unless NY goes up 3-2.But he gives no evidence for that - he doesn't cite sources or anything. He appears to be making an assumption. Passan has good sources for transactions, but is there any reason to think he knows what he's talking about here? It's an illogical strategy, and the Astros are the Astros.
He says "they likely" because that's probably what happens. I don't think he's implying he knows for sure.But he gives no evidence for that - he doesn't cite sources or anything. He appears to be making an assumption. Passan has good sources for transactions, but is there any reason to think he knows what he's talking about here? It's an illogical strategy, and the Astros are the Astros.
That plan makes even less sense! It removes the possibility of Verlander pitching in game 7 and doesn't allow Greinke to pitch in the bullpen game (because now it's game 5 instead of game 6). And there's no upside, unless you think Verlander will pitch meaningfully better on 5 days rest than 4. It's basically the exact opposite rationale as pitching Cole on short rest.No, but there's no reason to think you know any better either. There's no reason to debate it either, you have an opinion and Passan and I have a different opinion, but we're not going to know unless NY goes up 3-2.
Also Al Leiter raised a good point (unusual for him) on MLBN last night, which is that if HOU wins tonight, it would make a lot of sense for them to push Verlander back to game 6 as originally scheduled and avoid that potential Cole in game 6 on short rest decision completely. This one I'm less sure about but it would make sense.
The Leiter scenario is up 3-1 instead of tied 2-2. Optionality has value, finishing a series earlier has value. What's the upside to pushing back Verlander's start?Yes, if you are up 3-2, everything is different from being down 3-2, especially if you have aces like Verlander and Cole. It's the opposite rationale because the series situation is opposite.
And it's really not clear that Verlander on one day's rest is something HOU would want to try, when he came in out of the bullpen against BOS in 2017, that was 3 days rest, and when he tried starting on 3 days rest in the ALDS, he got shelled.
Verlander is better at home (2.34 ERA, 2.82 on the road) and would have an extra day of recovery before what would already be his fourth postseason start. I'm not saying they would do it, but I can see both sides.The Leiter scenario is up 3-1 instead of tied 2-2. Optionality has value, finishing a series earlier has value. What's the upside to pushing back Verlander's start?
Too soon. Though Pete did pretty well that game.They could start Pete Schourek
He pitched great in that game, left with the lead. Gordon gave up the game winnerToo soon. Though Pete did pretty well that game.
Yep totally agree. This rainout could help benefiting the Yankees as they probably have a better chance of beating JV at Yankee Stadium then in Houston.So their answer to this is to do their best not to get down 3-2 by starting Verlander on full rest in game 5. I think this is the right move but the real issue is if NY somehow does win two and goes up 3-2, HOU then kind of has to start Cole on 3 days rest in game 6 or risk the series ending before it gets back to him in game 7.
Unless of course the Astros win today and can go pen in game 5 and have JV and Cole waiting in HoustonYep totally agree. This rainout could help benefiting the Yankees as they probably have a better chance of beating JV at Yankee Stadium then in Houston.
Well yeah of course. No plan in baseball is fool proof. But it has the chance to benefit the Yankees, and I think I like it a little better for them.Unless of course the Astros win today and can go pen in game 5 and have JV and Cole waiting in Houston
Someone remembered. And it did work out but for Tom Gordon. Fortunately he redeemed himself six years later.They could start Pete Schourek
I tend to agree.Greinke is going to get pounded.
Human skid marksman, no matter how many yanks players seem like actually decent people, their fans just make it impossible for any other fanbase to have anything but total contempt for the squad