Wasn't he the only TE to play last week?Can we still cut Allen and Save some $? I know with the Gronk injury it might not be a good idea....but from a pure talent stand point PP is a much bigger piece of the puzzle then Dwayne Allen?
Wasn't he the only TE to play last week?Can we still cut Allen and Save some $? I know with the Gronk injury it might not be a good idea....but from a pure talent stand point PP is a much bigger piece of the puzzle then Dwayne Allen?
Here are the pertinent numbers, per Miguel.I forgot about ther injury grievances. Yes those could add a decent amount. I think Britt was around 1M and Mitchell about 600K.
I don't have access to Miguel but where am i wrong? Does he believe the cap will be an obstacle for this trade?
Injuries? I mentioned signing players. I don't think it is going to take significant salary to sign anyone off the street for half a season.
What active roster bonus that they haven't already counted for?
I'm just not seeing anything of significant cap size that would get in the way. All teams like to have some wiggle room for emergencies but they don't need a ton.
Making the trade at the deadline with McCourty (expendable with Peterson) included would put them about 1.5 under at that point. More than enough for injury replacements but possibly a little tight depending on the grievances. nothing they couldn't work around though.
This kind of illustrates what I was saying - Talib, like Moss, was acquired for a single fourth-round pick.I don't know--they've made big deadline trades before, they're one of the most active deadline teams. They've acquired Talib, traded out Collins and JG. Granted 2 of those were outgoing, but we know they'll talk.
They dealt a 1 for Cooks; not sure why it being in-season would matter. They are willing to deal for a starting corner in season (Talib). They are willing to deal a 1.This kind of illustrates what I was saying - Talib, like Moss, was acquired for a single fourth-round pick.
I have no doubt they will be exploring numerous trades at the deadline - I just don't think they would give up even a single first-rounder for Peterson, much less two as BSF suggested at one point.
You don’t think Bill Belichick would trade a pick in the late 20s for Patrick Peterson? Seriously? I never said Belichick would be willing to trade two #1’s, merely that I would.This kind of illustrates what I was saying - Talib, like Moss, was acquired for a single fourth-round pick.
I have no doubt they will be exploring numerous trades at the deadline - I just don't think they would give up even a single first-rounder for Peterson, much less two as BSF suggested at one point.
I don't know what Collins would cost, but a move for a guy like that would make a ton of sense to me. They have no depth behind Chung, Chung is 31, and it could potentially solve the coverage LB issue if they play a SS as a nickel LB. With JMac (nominally the 4th S to start the season) establishing himself as the CB opposite Gilmore, S is the shallowest position on the team along with RB.I'd like them to look at Landon Collins (NYG SS). Great in the box, Chung depth (personally I think he is better), affordable (last year of non-first round rookie deal), and can cover well but isn't a guy you'd match up with a vertical burner.
I find that hard to believe as well. There must be some way to manipulate the calendar such that they can pay against next year's cap, even if the player has a case.Do they really need to budget for those grievances this year? They are events that are sort of out of control of the team. There's also the fact that neither one seems all that winnable for the player, especially Mitchell's.
They're an elite scoring team and a terrible scoring defense. They lost last year's super bowl with a GOAT QB throwing for over 500 yards. They're currently a personal ad for "take the over", and not in that awesome 2007 way.Wait, what?
I’ve watched all the games. Like the one where Hill blew his knee up, the one where Burkhead got messed up, the one Gronk missed with two injuries...etc. They need a healthy body at RB, even if that means a street FA, White can’t keep up this amount of usage and they don’t have the receiving corps to basically abandon the running game. I’m not suggesting they go out and trade a first for someone they can barely squeeze in under the cap, but they’ve shown they can find cheap RB help pretty easily. Spending multiple firsts (as suggested up thread) for PP is foolish. Their defensive backfield is perfectly cromulent.
Any big move should be a coverage LB. I don’t see how that’s argued as not the biggest hole right now. If they can pick up a cheap RB, they absolutely should.
I'm just telling you what Miguel says. And I think it is pretty well established that no one knows more about the NFL cap rules than he.I find that hard to believe as well. There must be some way to manipulate the calendar such that they can pay against next year's cap, even if the player has a case.
And of course, they have other guys that they could restructure and maybe even cut.
Not sure that Bill wants to kick the can, but he has the option.I'm just telling you what Miguel says. And I think it is pretty well established that no one knows more about the NFL cap rules than he.
As to the restructure, there are a bunch of folks they could do that for, but it all leads to pushing the can down the road as out years cap hits go up.
As for cutting a player, there are really only the 8 players I listed above where they could do so and see a reduction in cap hit.
Yeah, I watched the Super Bowl. This is not the same offense. And it's certainly not getting any closer if Gronk or White go out. I think Gordon is going to end up to be a nice addition and valuable, but I'm not ready to say he's going to be exactly Randy Moss (as far as drawing coverage and how it helps the scheme).They're an elite scoring team and a terrible scoring defense. They lost last year's super bowl with a GOAT QB throwing for over 500 yards. They're currently a personal ad for "take the over", and not in that awesome 2007 way.
Street free agent bodies are everywhere and can be picked up when needed. If they need any "help", it's on defense.
You absolutely need to look at yards and points when Edelman and Gordon started playing versus before.YeThis is far from an elite offense - at the moment. They're 12th in passing and 9th in rushing; they're middle of the pack in turnovers (yes, I know a few of the interceptions were tips, but that doesn't excuse or negate them); they're top 5 in total scoring, but they've had special teams TDs this week; which if you take out would drop them to 6th. That's not elite.
Of course, but you absolutely need to also factor in what they'd look like if White goes out with a knee next week. Or Gronk. They have no depth at the moment, at WR or RB.You absolutely need to look at yards and points when Edelman and Gordon started playing versus before.
Are you just making these numbers up?This is far from an elite offense - at the moment. They're 12th in passing and 9th in rushing; they're middle of the pack in turnovers (yes, I know a few of the interceptions were tips, but that doesn't excuse or negate them); they're top 5 in total scoring, but they've had special teams TDs this week; which if you take out would drop them to 6th. That's not elite.
You sold me. Perhaps averaging 39 ppg is not enough (last 4 games). If we can get it up to like 45, then who gives a shit if we can't stop anyone.Of course, but you absolutely need to also factor in what they'd look like if White goes out with a knee next week. Or Gronk. They have no depth at the moment, at WR or RB.
Boston LA could be the Super Bowl as well. Would be fun if that’s how it played out (and of course Boston coming away with two championships out of it).Mike Reiss ESPN Staff Writer
Bill Belichick will be doing a voiceover leading into Fox's broadcast of Game 1 of the World Series between the Los Angeles Dodgers and Boston Red Sox on Tuesday night. Asked about it today, he said, "It was awesome. I was honored they asked me to do it. It was great to be a part of that. I don't really have much of a baseball background, but the World Series is one of the great sporting events in this country, and has a great tradition to it, especially with these two franchises. I'm very humbled to have been asked to participate in that. Look forward to watching some of it."
Okay, but then we should compare them to KC if they lose Hill or Hunt.Of course, but you absolutely need to also factor in what they'd look like if White goes out with a knee next week. Or Gronk. They have no depth at the moment, at WR or RB.
They had two special teams TDs this week - the punt block and the kick return. I didn’t look at the other teams in depth because I’m on mobile and will do so later, but quick glance I didn’t see any for LAC or NO, so apologies, I typoed 5th instead of 3rd. So they’d drop to 5th.Are you just making these numbers up?
They're 3rd in offense for points scored. If you take out the special teams TD (which sure, but do that for the other teams too.). they're still 3rd in points scored by 3 points.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPoints
I don't fault anyone for lack of interest in Gillislee. I'd rather give those carries to a fullback or CP. He's toast.Picking up a usable RB is super duper easy though. Gillislee is available for next to nothing, and he's perfectly adequate.
Not sure the bolded is correct; it's at least debatable. He's been available for next to nothing for a couple of weeks, and noone has picked him up. Not even the Pats, who got a good look at him during the preseason.Picking up a usable RB is super duper easy though. Gillislee is available for next to nothing, and he's perfectly adequate.
So YOU'RE the common element in all these injuries. Please stop watching.I’ve watched all the games. Like the one where Hill blew his knee up, the one where Burkhead got messed up, the one Gronk missed with two injuries...etc.
Belichick got a good look at him for several weeks during training camp. If he's not interested in picking him up for nothing, and no other team is interested either, I believe that tells you all you need to know about how effective Gillislee can be. RBs can, and do, lose it at 28.The guy is about to turn 28 years of age. Very low mileage (just 274 career carries). Just two years ago he averaged 5.7 yards per carry.
Obviously he's not Barry Sanders. And obviously the Pats have preferred to move in other directions. But their situation has changed and I can't believe you guys think, with how fungible NE's running backs are, that Gillislee wouldn't be adequate here. Especially given the cost to acquire him (nothing).
Points per game has to be a little lower with the two TDs coming from special teams, no?This is absolutely an elite offense right now. Last four weeks:
Points per game: 39.3 (that would be 1st in the NFL)
Yards per game: 442.0 (that would be 3rd in the NFL)
1st downs per game: 26.0 (that would be 1st in the NFL)
Source: http://salarycapcrunch.com/cba-salary-cap-qa/part-iii-nfl-salary-cap-accounting-rules/How are player grievances accounted for under the salary cap?
When a player salary grievance is filed against a club, 40 percent of the amount claimed will be counted in team salary until the grievance is resolved or until the end of that League Year. When the grievance is settled, the salary cap charge related to the grievance is amended to reflect the final settlement amount (if it is settled during the same League Year that the claim was filed). If the final settlement amount is more than the original 40 percent estimate, and if the additional charge incurred to match the final settlement amount causes a team to go over the salary cap, the excess will be deducted from the club’s team salary in the following League Year. If the total grievance amount paid by a club is less than the original 40 percent estimate, and if the club finishes the season at the salary cap or below the salary cap by less than the amount of the unawarded estimate, the difference will be added to the club’s team salary for the following League Year. If the grievance is not settled until the following season, and if the final settlement amount is greater than the 40 percent amount that was previously charged to the team, the additional amount is charged to the team when paid. If the final settlement amount is less than the 40 percent estimate that was previously charged to the team, a salary credit is applied against team salary in the amount of the difference immediately upon the settlement agreement being awarded.
Yes, but other teams score that way too, so it likely pretty much evens out. Not to mentione that the Patriots score something like 2.6 points/drive, so subtract 14 and add back in 5 for the drives the didn't get on Sunday.Points per game has to be a little lower with the two TDs coming from special teams, no?
You have to factor that in for every team then.Points per game has to be a little lower with the two TDs coming from special teams, no?
Teams make mistakes on players ALL THE TIME. Obviously I tend to trust BB's judgment but I'd sooner say that Gillislee just has never been that good of a player (despite one solid season) than that he's "toast".Belichick got a good look at him for several weeks during training camp. If he's not interested in picking him up for nothing, and no other team is interested either, I believe that tells you all you need to know about how effective Gillislee can be. RBs can, and do, lose it at 28.
I would basically cut out the first three weeks, which puts them in the top 2. It’s them and KC.I’m on the mobile but if it helps Pats are 5th in points per drive. I’m not going to jump in over labels like elite but it looks like they have a top 10 quality offense.
I’m surprised more teams don’t do deals like this at the deadline. Jones has been terrific as a Cardinal but IIRC his contract is absolutely brutal.Chandler Jones? Cardinals will be sellers. We need a pass rush with this defense. Our pass rush is among the worst in the league. His contract may not allow it but...
Yes. I thought his contract would not make it possible...but who knows. I think he would really help this defense. They desperately need more pressure on the QB.I’m surprised more teams don’t do deals like this at the deadline. Jones has been terrific as a Cardinal but IIRC his contract is absolutely brutal.
More pressure on the QB would be awesome, but we already have guys struggling to set the edge and maintain contain. He's a part time player here making big time money. Zero chance.Yes. I thought his contract would not make it possible...but who knows. I think he would really help this defense. They desperately need more pressure on the QB.
No, Landon Collins was mentioned, the strong safety from the Giants. If someone mentioned Jaime, my apologies, I must have missed it, but that makes almost zero sense for multiple reasons.I believe the Cardinals would take a rather significant cap charge if they traded Chandler Jones. They would be at least on the hook for the $9M of signing bonus remaining; not sure how the 2018 guaranteed salary ($12.5M) gets pro-rated in this case. Pats would be saddled with a $16.5M guarantee for 2019 which may be difficult to restructure. Don't need to go into too many details to realize that Jones is with the Cardinals through 2019.
Jamie Collins was mentioned upthread. Biggest issue there is how to squeeze his 2018 salary of $10.6M into the Pats current salary cap space. Seems tight.
Ah, thanks for the correction. I had Jamie Collins on my mind because it was mentioned on 98.5 today that he wants out of Cleveland.No, Landon Collins was mentioned, the strong safety from the Giants. If someone mentioned Jaime, my apologies, I must have missed it, but that makes almost zero sense for multiple reasons.
As to PP, just go to sportrac here: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/patrick-peterson-7720/
Well, that was your first mistakeAh, thanks for the correction. I had Jamie Collins on my mind because it was mentioned on 98.5 today that he wants out of Cleveland.