2017 Jimmy G: The Dilemma

[mauf]

NFL network just had someone on touting how Kirk Cousins leaving Washington and going to the Niners is just a matter of time.
So . . . . how about Jimmy G to Washington?

Yeah, I think there's probably a dozen teams that would be interested in JG for a reasonable price. If the Pats are looking for value in excess of the 12th overall pick in the draft, that list gets a lot shorter, and Washington is probably one of the teams that drops out -- they can always stick with Cousins for reassess the market in a year.

 

[dcmissle]

What do you make of these stories that Snyder won't deal with SF because of resentment toward Shanahan?

Entirely possible. Snyder and Allen are dysfunctional, and not very nice.

Relatedly, Kirk Cousins, who has not signed his franchise tag, reportedly has personally asked Dan Snyder to be traded.

 

[Curtis Pride]

Entirely possible. Snyder and Allen are dysfunctional, and not very nice.

Relatedly, Kirk Cousins, who has not signed his franchise tag, reportedly has personally asked Dan Snyder to be traded.

I don't think Washington will find any takers for Dan Snyder.

 

[dcmissle]

You can cross D.C. off a list of potential JG destinations -- unless one thinks JG would jeoparidize his career before it even starts by agreeing to an extension with these fools. I think he is smarter than that.

 

[nighthob]

I don't think Washington will find any takers for Dan Snyder.

Are you sure? I mean the Jets and Colts are still out there...

 

[dcmissle]

Osweiler to Cleveland per reports. It's Houston or NE, it seems.

Glad we didn't spend these 1st round picks before we had them.

 

[moondog80]

Osweiler to Cleveland per reports. It's Houston or NE, it seems.

Glad we didn't spend these 1st round picks before we had them.

Browns not intending to play Osweiler, apparently. So Jimmy G still in play.

 

[DJnVa]

Browns not intending to play Osweiler, apparently. So Jimmy G still in play.

What if the Texans want JG?

 

[DJnVa]

What would be the Browns cost to cut Brock?

 

[Norm loves Vera]

What if the Texans want JG?

You think BOB would dip into the Patriot backup QB well again after his last experience?

 

[DJnVa]

You think BOB would dip into the Patriot backup QB well again after his last experience?

Big difference.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Guys, Cleveland doesn't want Brock Osweiller as their QB of the future, or even now (they are trying to trade him). Cleveland is absolutely still in play. This is a cap floor move and buying an asset in a 2nd round pick. Osweiller is their absolute last lifeline if everything falls through. Even then, they'd probably find someone else.

 

[nighthob]

Big difference.

Yeah, yuuuge difference.

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Texans just freed up cap space to add some needed pieces. Are they really going to want to spend it on a 37 yr old QB with a back made of popsicle sticks and glue?

 

[cshea]

The 2nd round pick they bought could be another possible trade chip. Or offset the loss of other picks.

 

[Stitch01]

Yeah Brock doesnt change anything for the Browns.

 

[bankshot1]

IMO Os to Cleveland is an elaborate ploy to tank in '17 and get the best shot at USC's QB Darnold.

 

[genoasalami]

Yeah Brock doesnt change anything for the Browns.

Except in all likelihood he'll never throw a pass for them. They do acquire more picks to package for JG?

 

[RedOctober3829]

Cross posting from the Osweiler thread. Does BB entertain #12 and the acquired '18 pick for Jimmy?

 

[nighthob]

Wasn't the original rumor that New England wanted a first and a fourth? And Houston seems to have added an extra #4 this year.

 

[Norm loves Vera]

Big difference.

Agreed. I am hopeful to get a first rounder back plus.. so i am hopeful the Browns are stockpiling picks to ease the blow of trading a few to the Patriots for JG.

 

[Van Everyman]

Peter King‏Verified account @SI_PeterKing
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@SI_PeterKing what are the odds that CLE pair that 2nd rounder with no 12 this year in a trade for Jimmy G?

 

[Ed Hillel]

Cross posting from the Osweiler thread. Does BB entertain #12 and the acquired '18 pick for Jimmy?

Despite the media reports about two firsts, I see no way BB turns down a 1st and 2017 2nd. The might fight over which 2nd round pick, but at that point they're close enough. We shall see.

 

[amfox1]

Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot 5m5 minutes ago
#Browns trade for Osweiler won't prevent them from trying to trade for Garoppolo. Was all about buying 2nd rnd pick

 

[DJnVa]

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@SI_PeterKing what are the odds that CLE pair that 2nd rounder with no 12 this year in a trade for Jimmy G?

He's such a douche

 

[amfox1]

Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 12m12 minutes ago
Been hearing a long time that a package of 3 2nd round picks might be fair value for Garoppolo. Browns now have a ton of them next few years

Jason La Canfora‏ @JasonLaCanfora 7m7 minutes ago
Browns are fixated on the 3rd round pick in 2018, leading many to believe they're out to deal bevy of picks to NE for Jimmy G

 

[Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt]

Haaaaaaaate the idea of three 2nd rounders.

 

[ehaz]

Haaaaaaaate the idea of three 2nd rounders.

I hope its a 2nd in addition to the #12 pick but three 2nd rounders is still enticing for a backup QB.

Notable BB 2nd round selections over the years:
- Cyrus Jones
- Jordan Richards
- Jimmy G
- Jamie Collins
- Aaron Dobson
- Tavon Wilson
- Shane Vereen
- Gronk
- Brandon Spikes
- Patrick Chung
- Sebastian Vollmer
- Brandon Tate
- Deion Branch
- Matt Light

 

[Ale Xander]

1. Get Cleveland to get more pick capital through the help of your embedded people in Houston

2. Trade with Cleveland to get more than you would have earlier

3-4 Have excess picks to trade to New Orleans for Cooks so you can thusly keep sign and extend Butler

5. Profit


In BB we trust

 

[amfox1]

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/browns_will_still_try_to_trade.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns will still try to trade for Patriots backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, league sources tell cleveland.com, and they now have an extra second-round pick in 2018 to pull it off.

The Browns have the ammunition to acquire Jimmy Garoppolo and will try to put together a strong package that the Patriots will accept.

The Browns have two first-round picks and two second-rounders this year, and now three second-round picks in 2018.

The Browns will likely be willing to part with their No. 12 overall pick this year for Garoppolo, and at least one of the second-round picks next year.

One league source close to the situation told cleveland.com the Browns' No. 12 likely won't get it done, and that the Patriots will want the Browns' No. 1 overall pick this year.

The thinking is that there are some top five players they want, whereas the No. 12 doesn't interest them as much. But the Browns will have no intention of doing that. They plan to take Myles Garrett No. 1 overall and won't want to part with the top pick for the 2014 second-rounder.

The source said the Patriots will likely want a Browns' first-rounder this year and a first-rounder next year.

In the end, it remains to be seen if the No. 12 and one or two of the second-round picks will get it done.

 

[ehaz]

Browns will still try to trade for Jimmy Garoppolo, source says.

The Browns have two first-round picks and two second-rounders this year, and now three second-round picks in 2018.

The Browns will likely be willing to part with their No. 12 overall pick this year for Garoppolo, and at least one of the second-round picks next year.

One league source close to the situation told cleveland.com the Browns' No. 12 likely won't get it done, and that the Patriots will want the Browns' No. 1 overall pick this year.

The thinking is that there are some top five players they want, whereas the No. 12 doesn't interest them as much. But the Browns will have no intention of doing that. They plan to take Myles Garrett No. 1 overall and won't want to part with the top pick for the 2014 second-rounder.

The source said the Patriots will likely want a Browns' first-rounder this year and a first-rounder next year.

Maybe the reason why Schefter is so adamant Jimmy won't be traded is that BB's price is so astronomically high that no one would ever pay up? He either wants #12 and CLE's 2018 1st or the Myles Garrett pick.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Go big or go home, baby!

I'm told #Patriots would likely want #Browns No. 1 overall this yr & prob 1st in '18 for Jimmy. 12+ prob won't do it.

 

[ifmanis5]

I think JG is worth Cleveland's 1st round pick this year and 3rd or 4th the next year. That's what the Sam Bradford deal was. Two first round picks seems like too high of an ask or reflects the fact that BB would rather keep him.
What do people here feel like is fair value for JG?

 

[amfox1]

Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet 3m3 minutes ago
My understanding is #Browns are expected to make a run at Jimmy G. They can offer the most. I do not believe the #Patriots want to trade him

 

[BigSoxFan]

I think JG is worth Cleveland's 1st round pick this year and 3rd or 4th the next year. That's what the Sam Bradford deal was. Two first round picks seems like too high of an ask or reflects the fact that BB would rather keep him.
What do people here feel like is fair value for JG?

I think #12, 2017 mid round pick, and 2018 2nd is a price I'd pull the trigger on.

 

[amfox1]

Pete Prisco @PriscoCBS 3m3 minutes ago
I still think Pats trade Jimmy G.

 

[RG33]

I think JG is worth Cleveland's 1st round pick this year and 3rd or 4th the next year. That's what the Sam Bradford deal was. Two first round picks seems like too high of an ask or reflects the fact that BB would rather keep him.
What do people here feel like is fair value for JG?

I think you are probably right about the 1st and a 4th -- but that is on an absolute basis. Clearly, the Patriots value him highly -- so, they are ultimately saying, "we're keeping him unless we get the #1 pick, next years 1st round pick, and a 3rd pick" or something to that effect. It is smart on the Patriots side -- determine YOUR value, and stick to it regardless of what markets dictate -- and if someone wants to meet those demands, great. If not, we're on to 2018 with Jimmy G. as the backup.

 

[nothumb]

Go big or go home, baby!

If the Pats get #1 overall for Jimmy G, NASA had better position a weather balloon a mile or so over my house so they can find out the terminal upward velocity of human ejaculate.

 

[Stitch01]

Yeah if I was ROG and the Pats got 1-1 plus for Jimmy G Id take that pick on general principle.

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

It's hard to know what's true and what isn't.

Here's some speculation, though, about what might be going on here. The haul for Jimmy G would be best if there were at least two teams in the running. That would be the ideal scenario. There may be other teams out there we don't know about, but at the moment this looks like just one team that seems to covet him and that has the assets to do a deal the Patriots would accept.

How do you negotiate in a circumstance like that? The acquiring team has most of the leverage. You have to approximate the existence of a second team to provoke the other side to negotiate against itself. Here, the Patriots are positioning themselves as the pseud-second team. Consistently maintain that you place a high value on the player and that you won't possibly part with him unless you get what he's worth. It's a weak negotiating position if they are truly interested in getting the deal done in the end, but it's all you can do. And it's a game of chicken. Once the other side knows you're really just trying to get the most value you can get, it's hard to come back. You either let him go for less than you want, or you keep him and preserve your negotiating position for next time.

 

[Hoodie Sleeves]

Guys, Cleveland doesn't want Brock Osweiller as their QB of the future, or even now (they are trying to trade him). Cleveland is absolutely still in play. This is a cap floor move and buying an asset in a 2nd round pick. Osweiller is their absolute last lifeline if everything falls through. Even then, they'd probably find someone else.

If they're trying to trade him, its not a cap floor move.

 

[InstaFace]

Yeah if I was ROG and the Pats got 1-1 plus for Jimmy G Id take that pick on general principle.

Yeah, Belichick already got his ultimate fuck-you as a coach in to Goodell by winning the super bowl, but that would certainly add the ultimate F-you as a GM. I won the super bowl and now have the first overall pick in the draft, everybody sucks but me, rename it the National Belichick League all of you bitches.

Also, I'm been drinking, which makes the last few pages of this thread rather fun.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

If the Browns were seriously worried about not hitting the cap floor they probably would have franchised Pryor. I think they just saw a smart way to turn cap space into draft capital.

 

[McBride11]

If BB gets the number 1 overall he will just trade it for 7 4th round picks over the next 3 years.

But really: would one rather the #1 and a 4th next year or the #12 and 2nd next year?

Myles Garrett has the physical tools and looks great to my. If BBs eye agrees and he goes that route, yikes. In that cAse 1 and 4 for me.

Of course he will use the #1 on a long snapper from a JUCO.

 

[E5 Yaz]

nm

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

If BB gets the number 1 overall he will just trade it for 7 4th round picks over the next 3 years.

But really: would one rather the #1 and a 4th next year or the #12 and 2nd next year?

Myles Garrett has the physical tools and looks great to my. If BBs eye agrees and he goes that route, yikes. In that cAse 1 and 4 for me.

Of course he will use the #1 on a long snapper from a JUCO.

I don't think 1-1 is realistic, but that would be a tough hypothetical proposition. On the surface, I'd take #12 and and a 2nd next year. But looking into the depth this draft has - and assuming BB would trade down to get multiple picks - he could probably auction Garrett off for a lot of capital, more than to make up the difference. This is supposed to be a really deep draft at some important positions for the Pats - TE, DL, DB, RB etc.

 

[E5 Yaz]

I don't think 1-1 is realistic, but that would be a tough hypothetical proposition. On the surface, I'd take #12 and and a 2nd next year. But looking into the depth this draft has - and assuming BB would trade down to get multiple picks - he could probably auction Garrett off for a lot of capital, more than to make up the difference. This is supposed to be a really deep draft at some important positions for the Pats - TE, DL, DB, RB etc.

Your response was so much more kinder than the one I deleted

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Jimmy appears to think he's gone.


So grateful for my time in New England. Peace out Boston!

Edit spelling.

 

[boca]

Jimmy appears to think he's gone.


So greatful for my time in New England. Peace out Boston!

Wow. Cleveland surely? Looking forward to seeing what they've got for him.

Crazy start to free agency for the Pats.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Jimmy claiming it's a "hack," it appears:

Spoke to someone close to Jimmy Garoppolo who had no knowledge of any trade and believes it's a hack. Alas, it's 5:26 am now & we're all up

More likely that BB told him to stfu and it's not quite finalized.