Bryan Doo and Ed Lacerte are no longer with the franchise according to Steve Bulpett. Lacerte had just finished his 30th season with the team.
Lacerte was in Utah for those games.Bryan Doo and Ed Lacerte are no longer with the franchise according to Steve Bulpett. Lacerte had just finished his 30th season with the team.
They released Jackson and are going to sign Semi to a 4 year deal, per Bullpet and Himmelsbach.I think Semi all but guaranteed himself a contract with his play in the summer league. He showed he could hit the open 3 and even guarded Zubac effectively. If it translates to the NBA game, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get regular rotation minutes. Stevens was gushing about his defense.
Yep. They are now a very young team.They released Jackson and are going to sign Semi to a 4 year deal, per Bullpet and Himmelsbach.
This is why I was somewhat surprised that Danny chose Abdel Nader over Demetrius Jackson. Obviously neither of them move the needle but if there's an injury on the roster, Jackson is a "ball handler" which the team is much shorter on than a "wing" like NaderHe played 76 games, 34 mpg. I think that, or close to it, is a reasonable expectation for him, unless he is going to miss a bunch of games in the early part of the season.
But, any significant injury time lost by any of the PGs, or Horford, could really be a problem.
But I would think Jackson, or a guy like Jackson, will be available if needed during the season.This is why I was somewhat surprised that Danny chose Abdel Nader over Demetrius Jackson. Obviously neither of them move the needle but if there's an injury on the roster, Jackson is a "ball handler" which the team is much shorter on than a "wing" like Nader
I think all of Jerebko's minutes are filled by some combination of Theiss/Yabusele. So we are "only" looking at replacing Olynyk's minutes and while he is a big dude, I have heard on here more times than I can count that he is just a big shooting guard, so replacing him with one of our many big wings should be a washif you call Johnson and Baynes a wash, you still swap out over 2,700 minutes of Olynyk and Jerebko for a lot of minutes that will end up going to smaller guys.
This is probably it. This article from the Crossover argues (without much backing) that there is a shortage of NBA wings who can play both offense and defense, particularly when compared to the average big or the average PG.But I would think Jackson, or a guy like Jackson, will be available if needed during the season.
It is not that simple, IMO, because I don't think either Theiss or Yabusele will crack the top 10 and get regular minutes.I think all of Jerebko's minutes are filled by some combination of Theiss/Yabusele. So we are "only" looking at replacing Olynyk's minutes and while he is a big dude, I have heard on here more times than I can count that he is just a big shooting guard, so replacing him with one of our many big wings should be a wash
No, but Morris, Baynes, and Tatum will.It is not that simple, IMO, because I don't think either Theiss or Yabusele will crack the top 10 and get regular minutes.
At the risk of reigniting the Kelly Wars that have ravaged this board and so many others. I wonder if replacing Kelly Olynyk with Marcus Morris is more like for like than we're crediting here in this analysis. You note that we are replacing "2 centers and a small wing with 1 center and 2 big wings." Is it possible that Ainge and Stevens see Kelly and Marcus as more hybrids, big on the defensive end and wings on offense? My guess is that they see it, if they look at it this way, as Big (Amir) for Big (Baynes), Hybrid (KO) for Hybrid (Morris) and Wing (Bradley) for Wing (Hayward).Among top 9 guys, they are replacing these three:
Bradley: 1,835
Johnson: 1,608
Olynyk: 1,538
That's 4,981, or 25% of the minutes. Bradley and Olynyk both missed some time with injuries.
Experienced newcomers:
Morris: 2,565
Hayward: 2,516
Baynes: 1,163
A total of 6, 244, or 32% of the minutes. But they replace 2 centers and and a small wing with 1 center and 2 big wings. This indicates a shift towards a more big wing-heavy lineup while they lose a lot of minutes at center. Playing small, but with bigger wings, will be the new order of business. Hayward and Morris are likely to see their minutes decline, while Baynes may surpass his previous career high (1,233) given the Celtics' lack of depth and experience up front.
Not Baynes, who will (in effect) get Amir's minutes.No, but Morris, Baynes, and Tatum will.
They will crack the top ten in minutes, though, which was my point. The minutes from Amir / Kelly / Jonas will seemingly be replaced by Morris / Baynes / Tatum.Not Baynes, who will (in effect) get Amir's minutes..
Were Olynyk and Jerebko in essence anything more than big wings?But otherwise, that is my whole point. Next year's Celtics will be shifting significant minutes from bigs to big wings.
I would expect that role to fall to (and improve with) Baynes.Olynyk led the team in defensive rebound rate. A wing, regardless of how big, isn't going to do that.
In no reasonable world is Baynes getting the type of run that Olynyk got with the Celtics last year. Offensively he has nowhere near Olynyk's repetoire.I would expect that role to fall to (and improve with) Baynes.
I'm not sure I understand your point. If I'm understanding correctly, it seemed like you were making the point that replacing Olynyk with a wing isn't an issue because he was basically just a big wing. But Tatum and Morris don't/won't rebound as well as Olynyk, and you have to replace that somehow. If you replace them with a couple of big wings in Tatum and Morris you're going to give up a lot on the boards; if you replace him with Baynes, you give up a lot on offense and put your spacing at risk.I would expect that role to fall to (and improve with) Baynes.
Pretty much. The current state of the roster reflects a choice to go smaller up front, bigger on the wing and in the non-IT part of the backcourt.I'm not sure I understand your point. If I'm understanding correctly, it seemed like you were making the point that replacing Olynyk with a wing isn't an issue because he was basically just a big wing. But Tatum and Morris don't/won't rebound as well as Olynyk, and you have to replace that somehow. If you replace them with a couple of big wings in Tatum and Morris you're going to give up a lot on the boards; if you replace him with Baynes, you give up a lot on offense and put your spacing at risk.
I suspect the Celtics probably give Crowder a lot more minutes at the four. He had solid rebounding rate numbers with limited time there, though there should be some concern as to how well he'd hold up there over 82 games. Morris would hold up better, but isn't as good, and doesn't rebound nearly as well.
I'm not sure how relevany the analytics is here, just because the Celtics seem to be headed in a very unprecedented direction. Clearly, small lineups have been tremendously effective in the recent NBA. But they have, for the most part, been used as a change of pace to a more traditional NBA lineup. The Celtics seem to be betting that they can be more than that, and I don't think there is data available on that as a nearly full-time strategy.I think its pretty safe to say that Ainge, Stevens and the C's braintrust have some analytics that find the value of a traditional rebounder/rim-protector is far below a wing who can spread the floor.
The problem is that there are many here and those who follow basketball who get frustrated when the Celtics are getting worked on the boards - but we/they are going to have to accept that the Celtics will be scrapping for boards most nights.
The Warriors have a two time DPOY who can stretch the floor, guard wings, and protect the rim. Not sure duplicating that's as simple as "the analytics show wings are more valuable than bigs."I think the proof of that as a nearly full-time strategy just won its second championship in three years.
Absolutely true, and you didn't even get to the part about having 2 perennial All-NBA players to play alongside Green.The Warriors have a two time DPOY who can stretch the floor, guard wings, and protect the rim. Not sure duplicating that's as simple as "the analytics show wings are more valuable than bigs."
Somewhere in Arkansas you will find Joe Kleine smiling this morning. For those who don't know or don't recall.....http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/23/AR2008022302793.htmlESPN
Creative use of the stretch provision by the Celtics on the contract of Demetrius Jackson. Boston exercised the 2019-20 non-guaranteed team option on Jackson one day prior to waiving the former second round pick. Exercising the option allowed Boston to stretch the contract over seven years and not five. The cap hit per year is $92,857 instead of $130,000.
-- Bobby Marks
There goes Ainge and his cohorts thinking they are all smarter than everybody else again. . . .
I was directly responding to a post specifically about defensive rebounding rate. As for "run," I expect Baynes to play the 16 minutes or so a game that Horford is on the bench and more if he's on the trainer's table.In no reasonable world is Baynes getting the type of run that Olynyk got with the Celtics last year. Offensively he has nowhere near Olynyk's repetoire.
I'm not looking at replacing Olynyk or his production in isolation; rather, the minutes and responsibilities that went to him, Johnson, and Jerebko are going to be redistributed primarily among Morris, Baynes, and one would think Tatum. None of these guys is going to be a straight one-to-one replacement, so you might get Olynyk's bench rebounding from Baynes and his spacing from Morris, but I don't think that there has been some dramatic change this offseason. A 6'9" Amir Johnson has been replaced in the starting lineup by a 6'9" Marcus Morris. A 7'0" Kelly Olynyk has been replaced in the rotation by a 6'10" Aron Baynes. And a 6'10" Jonas Jerebko has been replaced on the bench by a 6'8" Jayson Tatum. We're talking 4 inches across 3 bodies, less than the singular difference of replacing the 6'2" Avery Bradley with the 6'8" Gordon Hayward at the other starting wing spot.I'm not sure I understand your point. If I'm understanding correctly, it seemed like you were making the point that replacing Olynyk with a wing isn't an issue because he was basically just a big wing. But Tatum and Morris don't/won't rebound as well as Olynyk, and you have to replace that somehow. If you replace them with a couple of big wings in Tatum and Morris you're going to give up a lot on the boards; if you replace him with Baynes, you give up a lot on offense and put your spacing at risk.
Closer to home, the one and only Keith Bogans earned just under $20 million in an 11 year journeyman NBA career.Somewhere in Arkansas you will find Joe Kleine smiling this morning.
Well, am I reading it wrong that the Celtics picked up a non-guaranteed option -- meaning, they can officially wash their hands of him after this year and not actually pay him the monies -- but since they picked it up, they get to stretch the remainder of what they do owe him over additional years? I don't think Jackson actually makes anything extra here -- or am I wrong?Somewhere in Arkansas you will find Joe Kleine smiling this morning. For those who don't know or don't recall.....http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/23/AR2008022302793.html
Rather than marginally sucking, Demetrius Jackson blows through the walls of suckitude and in doing so secures that the Celtics pick up a team option year. This sure is one great county we live in!!
I think you are right, he gets nothing extra.Well, am I reading it wrong that the Celtics picked up a non-guaranteed option -- meaning, they can officially wash their hands of him after this year and not actually pay him the monies -- but since they picked it up, they get to stretch the remainder of what they do owe him over additional years? I don't think Jackson actually makes anything extra here -- or am I wrong?
Yes, the Cs picked up the team option for 2019-20 but since it is non-guaranteed, they don't have to pay him. But it does count for the stretch provision.Well, am I reading it wrong that the Celtics picked up a non-guaranteed option -- meaning, they can officially wash their hands of him after this year and not actually pay him the monies -- but since they picked it up, they get to stretch the remainder of what they do owe him over additional years? I don't think Jackson actually makes anything extra here -- or am I wrong?
They stretched DJax so they can give Ojeleye a 4 year deal (probably almost identical to what they gave Nader). Before stretching him they could only give Semi a minimum salary (meaning he would likely only accept a 2 year deal)So we saved like $30,000 against the cap? Is that worth it?
I think you are right, he gets nothing extra.Well, am I reading it wrong that the Celtics picked up a non-guaranteed option -- meaning, they can officially wash their hands of him after this year and not actually pay him the monies -- but since they picked it up, they get to stretch the remainder of what they do owe him over additional years? I don't think Jackson actually makes anything extra here -- or am I wrong?
I seem to recall an Illinois team in the late 80's who seemed to be moving in that direction by running out a lineup that was almost all wings (they weren't called that back then). That team made the Final Four in 1989 losing to Michigan's Fab Five on a last-second shot.Yes, "because Warriors" is oversimplifying. But the league is heading that way. Bigs are overpriced and lack versatility, generally. I think that Danny and Brad are getting on the correct train.
They were called the 'Flying Illini' and they were awesome to watch. Eight 100+ point games which is still a school record. Team was stacked but not enough to beat eventual champion Michigan with (Sarah Palin banger) Glen Rice.I seem to recall an Illinois team in the late 80's who seemed to be moving in that direction by running out a lineup that was almost all wings (they weren't called that back then). That team made the Final Four in 1989 losing to Michigan's Fab Five on a last-second shot.
Those Fighting Illini included:
I remember some commentators back then (maybe Dick Vitale) opining that this was the future of basketball -- athletes at every position, all of them able to shoot, run, handle the ball, etc.
- Kendall Gill -- 6'-5"
- Nick Anderson -- 6'-6"
- Marcus Liberty -- 6'-8"
- Kenny Battle -- 6'-6"
- Stephen Bardo -- 6'-5"
- Lowell Hamilton -- 6'-7"
The fab five did not arrive until a couple years later. This Michigan team was led by Glen Rice and Rumeal Robinson.I seem to recall an Illinois team in the late 80's who seemed to be moving in that direction by running out a lineup that was almost all wings (they weren't called that back then). That team made the Final Four in 1989 losing to Michigan's Fab Five on a last-second shot.
Those Fighting Illini included:
I remember some commentators back then (maybe Dick Vitale) opining that this was the future of basketball -- athletes at every position, all of them able to shoot, run, handle the ball, etc.
- Kendall Gill -- 6'-5"
- Nick Anderson -- 6'-6"
- Marcus Liberty -- 6'-8"
- Kenny Battle -- 6'-6"
- Stephen Bardo -- 6'-5"
- Lowell Hamilton -- 6'-7"
He was guaranteed $650k regardless due to his contract, this just allowed Boston to minimize the impact on the cap.Somewhere in Arkansas you will find Joe Kleine smiling this morning. For those who don't know or don't recall.....http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/23/AR2008022302793.html
Rather than marginally sucking, Demetrius Jackson blows through the walls of suckitude and in doing so secures that the Celtics pick up a team option year. This sure is one great county we live in!!
Okay, curiosity gets the best of me. Glen Rice/Sarah Palin?They were called the 'Flying Illini' and they were awesome to watch. Eight 100+ point games which is still a school record. Team was stacked but not enough to beat eventual champion Michigan with (Sarah Palin banger) Glen Rice.
I'm jealous that you get to experience this for the first time right now. Enjoy.Okay, curiosity gets the best of me. Glen Rice/Sarah Palin?