Very similar shots. It's all touch from the sand (once technique is second nature) as it is on flops and you're basically trying to accomplish the same thing, sliding the club under the ball with an accelerating blow and flatter trajectory swing.
southshoresoxfan said:Ignoring the first 25 percent or so of the breaks works well for me...barring extreme down or uphill. Balls going to be going too fast to really be effected until the last 10ft or so.
A guy i play with regularly is like this. He could be in the rough on a 500 yd par 5, ~ 300 yds away - address, back off, visualize, address, back off, re-align, practice swing... All with his 7 iron in-hand that he's only hoping to get to within 130 anyhow.Comfortably Lomb said:Remember, what works for touring professionals will work for you and your 15 handicap. And maybe your playing partners will learn something from you when you repeat the same brutally long pre-shot routine before every putt, chip, or whatever else you don't want to actually invest the time in to learn to hit properly.
Sounds like the guy who insists on playing from the back tee then averages ~220 with the "Big Dawg" because he only hits maybe 1-2 straight all round. Definitely measures the one drive he actually launches and announces the distance to the group too. You're a hell of a player, guy, and we're all very impressed.steveluck7 said:A guy i play with regularly is like this. He could be in the rough on a 500 yd par 5, ~ 300 yds away - address, back off, visualize, address, back off, re-align, practice swing... All with his 7 iron in-hand that he's only hoping to get to within 130 anyhow.
And the guy who, every time he plays with anyone else, "shot 81 last week." Then when you get to the 1st tee... snap hook followed by "how many mulligans we getting today?"Comfortably Lomb said:Sounds like the guy who insists on playing from the back tee then averages ~220 with the "Big Dawg" because he only hits maybe 1-2 straight all round. Definitely measures the one drive he actually launches and announces the distance to the group too. You're a hell of a player, guy, and we're all very impressed.
Yeah, totally, never try anything you see a pro do because you're not a pro so it won't work. Sound logic. What a dumb reaction to a post attempting to help someone. It takes about 5 seconds to do the pre-shot routine I mentioned and it can be very helpful with something all about feel like lag putts. It can be done while others are putting and should add no time to the round total.Comfortably Lomb said:Remember, what works for touring professionals will work for you and your 15 handicap. And maybe your playing partners will learn something from you when you repeat the same brutally long pre-shot routine before every putt, chip, or whatever else you don't want to actually invest the time in to learn to hit properly.
Annika Sorenstam did that. It worked OK for her.jercra said:I saw one of the LPGA pros do a pre-shot routine where they lined up behind the ball, facing the cup, and while looking at the cup practiced the swing that felt like right stroke for the distance and then tried to keep that feeling while lining up for the putt. I've used it a few times and still go to it when I start to have issues with lags. It's not a silver bullet or anything but it doesn't cost you anything to try.
No, I'm shooting in the 90s and hopefully in four hours. Edit (sorry my phone is brutal to type on and loves to submit randomly): my point is mostly that I think a routine is relatively worthless is there is no basis for it. If you do that on the practice green, put the hours in, and bring it to the course then I'm sure it is great. Making different shots feel like ones you've hit before can be powerful. Just eyeballing a 40-footer, standing behind the ball a while and taking a few practice swings in a particular manner, and stepping up without actually know how hard to hit the ball because the last 40-footer you attempted was in a round two weeks ago? I don't buy that as anything but snake oil. I think it's a disservice to the guy you're giving advice to as well. Lag putting is one area of the game that I think most players can get very good no matter your inherent talent but it requires actual work. Band aids won't cut it.jercra said:Yeah, totally, never try anything you see a pro do because you're not a pro so it won't work. Sound logic. What a dumb reaction to a post attempting to help someone. It takes about 5 seconds to do the pre-shot routine I mentioned and it can be very helpful with something all about feel like lag putts. It can be done while others are putting and should add no time to the round total.
I hope I always get to play behind you. Sounds like you're shooting in the 60s from the white tees every Sunday.
jercra said:I saw one of the LPGA pros do a pre-shot routine where they lined up behind the ball, facing the cup, and while looking at the cup practiced the swing that felt like right stroke for the distance and then tried to keep that feeling while lining up for the putt. I've used it a few times and still go to it when I start to have issues with lags. It's not a silver bullet or anything but it doesn't cost you anything to try.
Any suggestions on where to play in Vegas that's not insanely expensive? My brother and I will be there in early October, staying on the strip. I have no use for Vegas in general and have played Bali Hai and other courses like it in near the strip so I'm really just looking for a nice, fun course that's more for the locals than the high rollers.
Nice. Thanks, I'll check it out.thestardawg said:Angel park is a decent layout and priced great. I think when we played it during March madness it was 85 bucks for 18, club rental, carts 6 balls and transportation to and from.
I really like Desert Pines. More near downtown than the Strip and always reasonable, relatively speaking. I usually play for less than 80 bucks during the week when I am in Vegas.jercra said:I saw one of the LPGA pros do a pre-shot routine where they lined up behind the ball, facing the cup, and while looking at the cup practiced the swing that felt like right stroke for the distance and then tried to keep that feeling while lining up for the putt. I've used it a few times and still go to it when I start to have issues with lags. It's not a silver bullet or anything but it doesn't cost you anything to try.
Any suggestions on where to play in Vegas that's not insanely expensive? My brother and I will be there in early October, staying on the strip. I have no use for Vegas in general and have played Bali Hai and other courses like it in near the strip so I'm really just looking for a nice, fun course that's more for the locals than the high rollers.
Thanks. I played there last winter. It's a nice course. Nothing spectacular but a generally nice course, Right now I'm playing Rio Secco on day one for just north of $100. Still undecided on day 2.patinorange said:I really like Desert Pines. More near downtown than the Strip and always reasonable, relatively speaking. I usually play for less than 80 bucks during the week when I am in Vegas.
Try Reflection Bay out at Lake Las Vegas in Henderson? Royal Links? Primm Valley?jercra said:Thanks. I played there last winter. It's a nice course. Nothing spectacular but a generally nice course, Right now I'm playing Rio Secco on day one for just north of $100. Still undecided on day 2.
Congrats! When I got mine the put in the paper and on their hole in one plaque. Could be that the club just wants you back for those types of things.Dogman2 said:Thanks all.
The roll looks much further in the picture than it actually was. Honestly, I didn't measure it and probably should have. I typically play low punch shots with my short irons in the fall and don't take a full swing. It usually reduces my spin a good deal so I can play a little bit longer. Like I said, I looked up after swinging through and saw nothing but sun.
This shot cost me nothing. Clubhouse closes at 7 on Sundays after Labor Day and I finished about 7:30. I did tag the course on FB and they reached out to me today and asked me to stop in. I think they would have anyways as I stopped in the pro shop as he was closing up to let him know. I'll get back in tomorrow afternoon and see what's up. I'd be happy to buy a round.
Played Paiute Wolf course for $89 and it was just spectacular. One of my favorite courses I've ever played and I've played a LOT of courses. It's now my brother's favorite course since he mad his first ace when we played it 2 days ago.LogansDad said:The Paiute courses have pretty good sundown rates as well, and are really nice courses.
Paiute is awesome...but no one likes the drive. Fine by me! Even further out is Coyote Springs...try that next timejercra said:Played Paiute Wolf course for $89 and it was just spectacular. One of my favorite courses I've ever played and I've played a LOT of courses. It's now my brother's favorite course since he mad his first ace when we played it 2 days ago.
Rio Secco was just ok. It's all through the houses, totally tricked out (149 from the Blues, really?) , far from pristine conditions and $30 more than Paiute. It was fun but I'll take the Paiute course any day of the week.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
I'm glad you liked it. The one time I got to play was the day after Christmas and it was like 38 degrees out and windy and raining, but it was still awesome.jercra said:Played Paiute Wolf course for $89 and it was just spectacular. One of my favorite courses I've ever played and I've played a LOT of courses. It's now my brother's favorite course since he mad his first ace when we played it 2 days ago.
Rio Secco was just ok. It's all through the houses, totally tricked out (149 from the Blues, really?) , far from pristine conditions and $30 more than Paiute. It was fun but I'll take the Paiute course any day of the week.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
A free round somewhere is always a great gift.Anyone have any gift ideas for a golfer/cigar smoker in the $50 to $100 range? Last year was a lighter and humidor. I have literally no ideas this year. This is the type of guy who just buys whatever he needs so there's not really anything he needs.
Thanks for the suggestion but the problem with that is that he's a vendor of mine so he always expenses golf when we play. I ended up being fairly lame and finding a 5 pack of the top rated cigar of 2015. He loves cigars so while it's lame from a creative standpoint it would be like someone giving me a nice bottle of bourbon. I'd never be upset with that as a gift.A free round somewhere is always a great gift.
This is a video of the set-up. It's not as accurate as a Trackman or a GC2 Launch Monitor, but it's also $10k cheaper. It's the Optishot 2 system and will measure swing speed, swing path, temp, and face angle. The putting is the farthest away from the real thing, since you obviously can't replicate contours of greens indoors, but there is a setting which you allow you to manual enter the number of putts. What I've done is automated the process a bit, and anything 25+ feet away is a 3-putt, 10-25 feet away is a 2-putt and within 10 feet is a 1-putt. I've found that a vast majority of players so far are within a few shots of their handicap in either direction at the end of 18 holes using that method.We were thinking of doing that in our batting cage. How does it do?