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I don't know what happened to the old thread, but gonna start up a new one. Played 36 holes last weekend and another 36 on tap this weekend (Highfields and Wachusett CC). In the end, played my first round just a week later than last year which isn't bad.
 

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I'm sure it's going to be ugly but playing the next 3 days at the Disney courses. Haven't touched a club since late October.
 

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With my newfound "freedom: I have already played more rounds this spring than I had the last two years combined.  Decided to switch golf balls and spent a small fortune on a box of ProV 1's.  Not playing on a super nice course, but planning on heading into the mountains the next time the ex has the kids on a weekend day.
 
With the new ball I was crushing my drives, but I am apparently WAY out of synch with my irons, striking behind the ball on just about every shot, and just plain duffing most of them.  I think part of the problem is I have no idea how far I actually hit my clubs anymore, so I just swing out my ass every time, which jacks my hip work up tremendously, but i don't really know how to fix it.
 
In any case, I am on pace to play more golf this year than I have in the last decade, so I'm pretty excited.
 

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Ok, hoping someone can offer some advice.

I bought a Scotty Cameron Futura X at the end of last season. Total impulse buy (I had shop credit built up at the pro shop and needed to use it before year end) and after about ten rounds with it, I'm finding that I need to make some adjustments.

I love the stability of the head but I find that the face is not nearly as hot/responsive as my old putter (Monza Itsy Bitsy Spider). I feel like I have to mash the ball to get proper speed and I don't like doing that. Is anyone familiar or competent enough to advise me on changing out the head weights for heavier ones? Currently it has 15 grams in the sole and 10 grams at the back. If I buy replacement ones (say 40 grams) will this solve my problem? Should I make all four the same or keep a difference between heel and toe?
 

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LogansDad said:
With my newfound "freedom: I have already played more rounds this spring than I had the last two years combined.  Decided to switch golf balls and spent a small fortune on a box of ProV 1's.  Not playing on a super nice course, but planning on heading into the mountains the next time the ex has the kids on a weekend day.
 
With the new ball I was crushing my drives, but I am apparently WAY out of synch with my irons, striking behind the ball on just about every shot, and just plain duffing most of them.  I think part of the problem is I have no idea how far I actually hit my clubs anymore, so I just swing out my ass every time, which jacks my hip work up tremendously, but i don't really know how to fix it.
 
In any case, I am on pace to play more golf this year than I have in the last decade, so I'm pretty excited.
Never buy ProV1's at a golf shop.  I get them on Golfsmith or Dick's and look for logo overruns, last year's models and Titleist's annual "buy 3 get 1 free" deal.  I can usually keep the price down below $40/dz.
 
I also just read about a German company making balls of very similar quality to ProV1's called Vice.  I got 5 dozen (price break) that just arrived at my house last night.  They feel great in the hand, just like ProV1's, but I haven't played them yet.  Tomorrow will be the first round with them.  I hope they are close in quality because $25/dz is a much nicer price.  Hopefully my run of shitty golf ends tomorrow too.
 
Also, thanks TFP for getting the thread back up.  Should we all tell our hole in one stories again :)
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
Ok, hoping someone can offer some advice.

I bought a Scotty Cameron Futura X at the end of last season. Total impulse buy (I had shop credit built up at the pro shop and needed to use it before year end) and after about ten rounds with it, I'm finding that I need to make some adjustments.

I love the stability of the head but I find that the face is not nearly as hot/responsive as my old putter (Monza Itsy Bitsy Spider). I feel like I have to mash the ball to get proper speed and I don't like doing that. Is anyone familiar or competent enough to advise me on changing out the head weights for heavier ones? Currently it has 15 grams in the sole and 10 grams at the back. If I buy replacement ones (say 40 grams) will this solve my problem? Should I make all four the same or keep a difference between heel and toe?
Adding heavier weights will probably help but it's changing not just the head weigh but the swing weight.  Maybe that's what you're after but if not you may also want to look into counter balance weights that go in the end of the shaft (similar to the dual balance version of your putter).  Also, if you put heavier weights in the toe it's going to close early.  Heavier weights in the heal it's going to close late.  Could make for some strange behavior off the clubface but I've never tried it and never heard of someone trying it with a putter so may be fun to mess with on the practice green.
 
There are several threads on golfwrx about buying and changing out the weights.  There's also a handy little youtube video on getting the weights out:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxWW2pc-d3g
 
Looks like you need a special wrench, some new aftermarket weights, some standard threadlock and about 15 minutes of free time.
 

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Yeah, that was sloppy language on my part. Didn't mean heel/toe but rather the pair of weights just behind the club face and the pair at the back on the x wing flanges. Not sure if keeping those with a slight disparity (as it is off the shelf) makes much of a difference as opposed to having all four the same.
 

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Ah, makes more sense now.  I think the principle it to move the CG forward so that you hit the ball on the upstroke to get it rolling rather than skidding.
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
Ok, hoping someone can offer some advice.

I bought a Scotty Cameron Futura X at the end of last season. Total impulse buy (I had shop credit built up at the pro shop and needed to use it before year end) and after about ten rounds with it, I'm finding that I need to make some adjustments.

I love the stability of the head but I find that the face is not nearly as hot/responsive as my old putter (Monza Itsy Bitsy Spider). I feel like I have to mash the ball to get proper speed and I don't like doing that. Is anyone familiar or competent enough to advise me on changing out the head weights for heavier ones? Currently it has 15 grams in the sole and 10 grams at the back. If I buy replacement ones (say 40 grams) will this solve my problem? Should I make all four the same or keep a difference between heel and toe?
 
Maybe call Kustom Clubs? At least if you can't get it to work Scotties have great resale value.
 
jercra said:
Never buy ProV1's at a golf shop.  I get them on Golfsmith or Dick's and look for logo overruns, last year's models and Titleist's annual "buy 3 get 1 free" deal.  I can usually keep the price down below $40/dz.
 
I also just read about a German company making balls of very similar quality to ProV1's called Vice.  I got 5 dozen (price break) that just arrived at my house last night.  They feel great in the hand, just like ProV1's, but I haven't played them yet.  Tomorrow will be the first round with them.  I hope they are close in quality because $25/dz is a much nicer price.  Hopefully my run of shitty golf ends tomorrow too.
 
Also, thanks TFP for getting the thread back up.  Should we all tell our hole in one stories again :)
 
Let us know how they go.
 

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Maybe call Kustom Clubs? At least if you can't get it to work Scotties have great resale value.
 
 
Let us know how they go.
 
That's actually a good call. I was really pleased with the work he did on shafts for my woods and hybrids. I ordered some after market heavier weights, so going to give that a shot, but KC is a good option that I completely forgot about. 
 
And yes, jercra, please let us know how the balls work out. 
 

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I'm really impressed with the Vice golf balls.  They feel exactly like ProV1's.  I gave a sleeve to each of my playing partners (my buddy and his 2 sons) who are all single digit players.  He went home and ordered 5 dozen.  He only plays ProV's.  Next time I need balls I won't be looking for deals on ProVs, I'll be ordering 5 dozen more of the Vice Pros.
 

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Dan Murfman said:
I'm sure it's going to be ugly but playing the next 3 days at the Disney courses. Haven't touched a club since late October.
95 at Lake Buena Vista with 8 three putts. And then back to back 92s at Palm and Magnolia. Can't really complain I hit the ball well for the first time out in months. And the putting wasn't too bad after the first round debacle.
 

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I'm really impressed with the Vice golf balls.  They feel exactly like ProV1's.  I gave a sleeve to each of my playing partners (my buddy and his 2 sons) who are all single digit players.  He went home and ordered 5 dozen.  He only plays ProV's.  Next time I need balls I won't be looking for deals on ProVs, I'll be ordering 5 dozen more of the Vice Pros.
I just ordered five dozen off this recommendation (and some Golf WRX ones). I usually buy NXT Tour S used 5A off of EBay for slightly cheaper, but what the hell, it's worth a shot if they really are legit. Looking forward to trying them out. Thanks jercra.
 

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Got my clubs regripped yesterday. Planning on hitting the range this weekend. Haven't played much the past few years but looking like I'll get a round in most weekends this summer... so excited.
 
 

Papelbon's Poutine said:
Ok, hoping someone can offer some advice.

I bought a Scotty Cameron Futura X at the end of last season. Total impulse buy (I had shop credit built up at the pro shop and needed to use it before year end) and after about ten rounds with it, I'm finding that I need to make some adjustments.

I love the stability of the head but I find that the face is not nearly as hot/responsive as my old putter (Monza Itsy Bitsy Spider). I feel like I have to mash the ball to get proper speed and I don't like doing that. Is anyone familiar or competent enough to advise me on changing out the head weights for heavier ones? Currently it has 15 grams in the sole and 10 grams at the back. If I buy replacement ones (say 40 grams) will this solve my problem? Should I make all four the same or keep a difference between heel and toe?
 
I cannot warm up to those space station putters. I gave a Futura a long demo a few years ago and thought it was really solid on shorter putts but couldn't mesh with it from further out. It's a good piece of equipment but standing over it doesn't give me the vibe I want.
 
Re: weight. You could just slather some lead tape on it like Tiger does (or at least he did when had his old Cameron). At least you'll have an idea of whether the weight difference is something you want.
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
I just ordered five dozen off this recommendation (and some Golf WRX ones). I usually buy NXT Tour S used 5A off of EBay for slightly cheaper, but what the hell, it's worth a shot if they really are legit. Looking forward to trying them out. Thanks jercra.
They blow even brand new NXT tour off the map so I think you'll be very happy.  I'm a convert.
 

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I'm very interested to see what happens this year with my game.  For a recap, I spent last offseason shedding about 30 lbs and working with a personal trainer.  I started the season as an 8.2 and by late June I got down to a 6.2.  Then a week before the club championship I broke my leg playing soccer and only have played twice since.  I'm sure I'll be rusty, but I've also been going to the gym more and more and put on 30 lbs.  Most of it is muscle for sure, but some of it is fat.  Regardless, I've never been stronger in my life so I'm interested to see how it translates (if anything) to my golf game.
 
 
I also got a promotion at work and my time is limited so I haven't been able to practice.  This weekend is the first time I'll go up to the club and hit balls.
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
I just ordered five dozen off this recommendation (and some Golf WRX ones). I usually buy NXT Tour S used 5A off of EBay for slightly cheaper, but what the hell, it's worth a shot if they really are legit. Looking forward to trying them out. Thanks jercra.
I'll buy a dozen off you if you want. I don't need 5 dozen, but wouldn't mind trying out 1 dozen.

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Got my clubs regripped yesterday. Planning on hitting the range this weekend. Haven't played much the past few years but looking like I'll get a round in most weekends this summer... so excited.
 
 

 
I cannot warm up to those space station putters. I gave a Futura a long demo a few years ago and thought it was really solid on shorter putts but couldn't mesh with it from further out. It's a good piece of equipment but standing over it doesn't give me the vibe I want.
 
Re: weight. You could just slather some lead tape on it like Tiger does (or at least he did when had his old Cameron). At least you'll have an idea of whether the weight difference is something you want.
I can't remember where you live but if you're in the Boston area, let me know.
 

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jercra said:
They blow even brand new NXT tour off the map so I think you'll be very happy.  I'm a convert.
I'm a consistent user of NXT Tour S as well, being a 16 handicap I can't justify paying the cost for ProV1s when I don't think they even help me. Would a ball of this caliber help or harm someone who's not good enough to really notice?
 

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I play Srixon Z-Star that i usually buy at the beginning of the season from ebay in AAAAA quality in a box of 100. I have been real happy with them at about $1.00 a ball, but may give these Vice balls a shot. I ended the season at about a 12-13 handicap last year, and still haven't got out once yet this year. 
 

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What do you guys recommend as a good Android app that isn't too expensive.

Looks like I will have a bit more playing time than ever before, and I'd like to find ways to actually improve my game.
 

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I'll buy a dozen off you if you want. I don't need 5 dozen, but wouldn't mind trying out 1 dozen.
 
 
Couple of my regular playing partners have already scooped up 3 of the 5 dozen, so I'm going to stick with my own 2, but thanks for the offer. 
 

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What do you guys recommend as a good Android app that isn't too expensive.

Looks like I will have a bit more playing time than ever before, and I'd like to find ways to actually improve my game.
What are you looking for the app to do? GPS? Swing analysis?
 

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Oob Golf is no longer supported with iOS 8 so I've moved on to a new app. Using The Grint app since my friends were already on it. It's ok but I liked OobGolf better.
 

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Oob Golf is no longer supported with iOS 8 so I've moved on to a new app. Using The Grint app since my friends were already on it. It's ok but I liked OobGolf better.
OOB got bought by Skygolf so it's now the skygolf app.  It's similar but not as good as it used to be.
 

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The Four Peters said:
I'm a consistent user of NXT Tour S as well, being a 16 handicap I can't justify paying the cost for ProV1s when I don't think they even help me. Would a ball of this caliber help or harm someone who's not good enough to really notice?
Nah, ProV's would never hurt your game.  They just won't help a 16 capper enough to justify the cost.  The Vice Pros are the ProV type.  There are Vice Tours that are similar to the NXT Tour if you want to go that route too.  The Vice Tours are $16/dozen.
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
What are you looking for the app to do? GPS? Swing analysis?
I guess a good place to start would be to figure out the answer to this question.
 
GPS is probably the most important.  I had no idea there was a cell phone app that could do swing analysis.... that's crazy.
 
I was looking into Game Golf, but it's $200 and I'm not sure how much it will actually help me.  I think my biggest problem right now is that I have literally no idea how far I hit my irons of the fairway, so I don't trust my distances and end up overswinging, which leads to awful duffing.  Gonna try to hit the driving range a few times this week to start working on that.
 
Being single is pretty awesome.
 

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The standard "get lessons" advice notwithstanding, i think going to the range and getting comfortable with your irons is your best first move. A GPS app will show you that you're 175 yds out but what good is it if you don't know what club to hit?!
The range will be good as it'll give you a good control group. You'll be hitting all your shots from the same lie, with the same conditions.
Get a good sample with each club as you'll possibly see a decent variance between your longest and shortest shot with each.
 
 

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The standard "get lessons" advice notwithstanding, i think going to the range and getting comfortable with your irons is your best first move. A GPS app will show you that you're 175 yds out but what good is it if you don't know what club to hit?!
The range will be good as it'll give you a good control group. You'll be hitting all your shots from the same lie, with the same conditions.
Get a good sample with each club as you'll possibly see a decent variance between your longest and shortest shot with each.
 
This is good advice that's made easier with a range finder.  If you don't have one you should.  This way you can shoot the targets on the range so you can get a good sense of the average, good and bad results each iron.
 

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The standard "get lessons" advice notwithstanding, i think going to the range and getting comfortable with your irons is your best first move. A GPS app will show you that you're 175 yds out but what good is it if you don't know what club to hit?!
The range will be good as it'll give you a good control group. You'll be hitting all your shots from the same lie, with the same conditions.
Get a good sample with each club as you'll possibly see a decent variance between your longest and shortest shot with each.
I somewhat disagree with this advice because range balls vary in quality which means big changes in distance. Golf Digest did a test las year and the results were rather interesting. Basically when you are at the range focus on shot shape and direction and not on range.
http://www.golfdigest.com/images/equipment/2014-06/eqar02-gd-tested-range-balls.jpg


http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-equipment/2014-06/gd-tested-range-balls
 

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Thanks guys for the advice.
 
Yeah, I think the thing I need to work on most at the range right now is just making solid contact, to be honest.  I'm comfortable hitting my driver and especially my old ass 3-wood off the tee, but am having a hard time making good contact with my irons, which is really frustrating.  
 
Playing a round today up in the mountains, so hopefully being out of the desert sun will help.  It's my third round this month, which is literally more than I've played in the last three years combined, so I'm not looking to lower my handicap or anything just yet, just trying to have fun.
 

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I somewhat disagree with this advice because range balls vary in quality which means big changes in distance. Golf Digest did a test las year and the results were rather interesting. Basically when you are at the range focus on shot shape and direction and not on range.
http://www.golfdigest.com/images/equipment/2014-06/eqar02-gd-tested-range-balls.jpg


http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-equipment/2014-06/gd-tested-range-balls
Wow... i knew the balls were less consistent but not that much. I assumed they'd just be shorter than "game" balls overall though
 

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Wow... i knew the balls were less consistent but not that much. I assumed they'd just be shorter than "game" balls overall though
I always figured that a range ball would be about 10% shorter than a regular ball until I did some research. Also, some driving ranges are using range-limited balls which are even shorter. This is why I don't ever check distances on the driving range.
 

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I guess a good place to start would be to figure out the answer to this question.
 
GPS is probably the most important.  I had no idea there was a cell phone app that could do swing analysis.... that's crazy.
 
I was looking into Game Golf, but it's $200 and I'm not sure how much it will actually help me.  I think my biggest problem right now is that I have literally no idea how far I hit my irons of the fairway, so I don't trust my distances and end up overswinging, which leads to awful duffing.  Gonna try to hit the driving range a few times this week to start working on that.
 
Being single is pretty awesome.
 
There's a few free GPS apps - I can't rate them as I don't use them (I have a Garmin watch, which I love and can't recommend enough), but download a couple and play around with them. You can use them to help calculate your distances roughly. 
 
Game Golf I got for Christmas and while I've only played twice with it so far, I can see it will be pretty useful when I have a larger sample size to work with. Once I do, it will begin to toss out bad shots and other data points which are clearly outliers. You can find it on EBay for closer to ~~$160, less if you get a used model. The biggest thing for me is remembering to check in before my shots. I'm working on incorporating a pre-shot routine this season and am trying to work it into that, but so far I'm at about 75% remembering. 
 
As for swing apps, there's devices like Zepp that will help with swing analysis or if you want to drop a little coin, things like the newest model Garmin watch includes swing analysis. It's not cheap, I think about $400, but two birds with one stone and all that. 
 
There's been good advice so far about ranges and I kind of sit in the middle. I agree that the balls can lead to misleading information, but I also agree with jercra that a range session with a range finder can be valuable to you - you will still learn the relative distance of your clubs and can use that on the course. If your 6 iron is consistently getting you to the 150 marker at the range, well, you probably don't need to hit that club from 150 on the course and you can work backwards. Also, when you're at the range, if at all possible, avoid hitting off the turf mats. Especially if you are having trouble striking your irons, the mats can be a detriment as the over correct poor contact. If you hit an inch behind the ball on a mat, the club slides and you still make decent contact. If you hit an inch behind the ball on grass, you chunk it and the ball goes half as far. Always try to find grass at the range if you can. 
 
In the meantime, use your rounds to help with your distances. If you're just getting back into it and honestly don't care about your scores, then get in the right frame of mind to swing easy and make good contact. Instead of overswinging and duffing it, take an extra club and swing easy. Use the next few rounds to work out what that means for your yardages. Oh and have fun. You've earned it man. 
 

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Ok, on the range thing, I wasn't saying that you can gauge your real yardages on the range or that range balls were remotely like real balls.  I was saying that you can get a sense of the range of a particular club as well as the gaps between clubs.  Since it's basically impossible to judge were something landed on it's own from 200 yards away I think a range finder is imperative so you can see where things land relative to the markers on the range.  If you hit a 7 to 10 yards shy of the 175 marker and a 6 to 10 yards long of it, you get the idea that you have a 20 yard gap between clubs.  If range balls are even 20% off real balls then you're still only talking about 4 yards.  If any of you can hit a shot 196 yards instead of 192 yards then you should be working on your tour card.  Also, assuming you go to the same range mostly (close to home, close to work, member at a club, etc.) then you won't have to worry about variance in range ball quality very often.  Beyond that, it's generally a terrible idea to just go to the range and hit balls at nothing.  You need a target.  That target has to have both a direction and a distance.  Even at the range you're not pulling a 5 iron for a 100 yard shot.  You can get close enough and close enough is better than ignoring distance.
 

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Today was much better than my last time out, though my score didn't show it.  Got out early, hit a bucket of balls, about 6-10 with each club, just trying to get my stance back to the point that I can make consistent contact.  It mostly worked, though I was totally drained by the end of the day, having hit over 200 balls total.
 
Shot a 96, which is pretty good for me, considering my first round out a few weeks ago was closer to 110.  The iron play came along as the day went along.  I grabbed a notebook to take notes for myself; things like distance to the pin, quality of contact, distance I hit.  The 18th was glorious with a beautiful drive, a pitching wedge to within 15 feet or so from about 125 and a two foot putt to close the round out with a par (missed the birdie putt by about an inch to the left).
 
Also, I got hailed on, so that was fun.  Thanks again for the advice everyone.
 

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If anyone is interested in a never used Zepp unit, PM me. I had to replace my Garmin watch and the new one has swing metrics included, so the Zepp I got for Christmas now has no use to me.

Edit: sold. Disregard.
 

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I've got a swing problem I'm really struggling to overcome.  I have had a notorious outside to in swing for years and I have worked very hard to get it back on plane.  I'm at a point where I am now getting inside and I am making much more solid impact with the ball, having less miss hits and generally hitting the ball further with every club.  The ball is going straight, my divots show that the club head is moving inside to outside.  All of that is great, except the driver.
 
When I get the driver in the hand something goes wrong in my brain.  I had my father film me the other day on the course.  I took three practice swings with the driver, everything looked great, club on plane, good tempo, everything I wanted.  Then I addressed the ball....and the old swing came back and the ball flight was a big banana to the right.  
 
My first thought was to just get to the range and work on muscle memory with the driver and finding consistency with that club.  But that's what I tried all of last year.  I've hit some mental block or challenge where as soon as I get over the ball with the driver that everything I've retaught myself just goes away.  I've tried to simplify, swing half speed, try to focus on a single swing thought, etc...  But I haven't found a way to break through.  Anyone have any ideas short of going to see a shrink? 
 

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This isn't a standard answer you will hear, but the same thing happened to me 2 years ago.  I went out and bought a new driver. I simply couldn't get my swing right with my driver and I needed something to change...so my last option was to change the club. 
 

jercra

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Do you know the swing weight of your irons?  Maybe try to get a couple of demo clubs at the same swing weight and see if helps on a couple of rounds and then buy whatever works best on course.  You'll know within a round or two and it won't cost anything to try.
 

Leon Trotsky

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I have a very similar problem. I hit everything except the driver pretty well most of the time, but the driver is still all over the place. I've now gotten to the point where I swing it okay at the range, but on the course it all goes away. I'll try the idea of changing up the address a little. 
 

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Thanks for the suggestions.  I did try the new club thing....I broke down and finally took some lessons last year, they helped me a lot.  The instructor had me swing his driver and I was hitting it great.  So naturally I ran out and bought the same one.  
 
Changing things at address some interesting.  Mixing up the whole mental approach might be what I need, especially something like hovering the club.
 

Phragle

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Been shopping for new clubs lately and I have some general questions.
 
How many swings do I need to take before I'm sure that what I think works better, is actually better for me? As a less than great golfer I know there is a lot of variance in my results. Maybe I just happened to put together 10 good swings with one club and I didn't with another club. That doesn't necessarily mean the first club is better for me, right?
 
I'm thinking about this because I'm comparing two clubs (Ping I25 and G25 hybrids) that are similar, but the one I'm hitting better (I25) is designed for the better player. The G25 is designed for a player like me, and should fit me better but it hasn't produced the results on the simulator.
 

steveluck7

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What kind of simulator? Is it measuring launch angle, speed, carry, spin, etc?  That would give you a better idea of the true difference between the clubs. When i got fitted for my new set, i had a similar issue as the clubs i ended up with aren't "game improvement", they're closer to blades that low handicappers (which i'm not) use.  It all came down to feel for me.  These and aonther set performed similarly but the weight of these and the way they felt at address felt better than the others
 

Papelbon's Poutine

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Phragle said:
Been shopping for new clubs lately and I have some general questions.
 
How many swings do I need to take before I'm sure that what I think works better, is actually better for me? As a less than great golfer I know there is a lot of variance in my results. Maybe I just happened to put together 10 good swings with one club and I didn't with another club. That doesn't necessarily mean the first club is better for me, right?
 
I'm thinking about this because I'm comparing two clubs (Ping I25 and G25 hybrids) that are similar, but the one I'm hitting better (I25) is designed for the better player. The G25 is designed for a player like me, and should fit me better but it hasn't produced the results on the simulator.
 
You're in the Boston area, right? Go to Joe & Leigh's in South Easton and get fitted. They will credit the cost of your fitting towards the set you buy. All it will cost you is an hour of your time. They will fit you on length, lie, shaft flex, grip size, everything. Talk to him about your game and try out four or five different models to start. They will set you up on a Tracman and start eliminating clubs one at a time, based on your feel and the stats. Try not to have any brand biases when you walk in and just trust him and the numbers. Profit. 
 

steveluck7

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
 
You're in the Boston area, right? Go to Joe & Leigh's in South Easton and get fitted. They will credit the cost of your fitting towards the set you buy. All it will cost you is an hour of your time. They will fit you on length, lie, shaft flex, grip size, everything. Talk to him about your game and try out four or five different models to start. They will set you up on a Tracman and start eliminating clubs one at a time, based on your feel and the stats. Try not to have any brand biases when you walk in and just trust him and the numbers. Profit. 
Probably should have mentioned t that this is where i went. +1 for them for sure.