Pats should do everything possible to keep Revis and that means a slight overpay if it comes to that. Revis type players don't fall in the Patriots lap too often.Ed Hillel said:
2015 Offseason: Non-Revis Edition
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If they truly want him at all costs AND there's mutual interest in playing here long-term, then simply pay the $12 million bonus on Tuesday and keep negotiating with him. They don't have to let him get to the market if they don't want him to.Ed Hillel said:
Can't do that, or Revis has all the leverage. The team will need to create cap space this season and he'll take them out to dry. If the Pats don't play along, Revis will just play out the year. The option isn't getting picked up at this point. If he leaves, that's ok though. I will never hold ill will against him, nor likely an offer the Pats make him, which I think will be fair. I just think Woody is an emotional businessman and will shell out 55-60 guaranteed over 3 years to get him back from his most hated rival, especially in this market.RedOctober3829 said:
Ed Hillel said:
There is risk, but this is a good example of why it's important to remember both sides when talking about leverage. Pats certainly do not want it to play out this way, and do not want to negotiate where their fallback is paying that huge 2015 cap hit. But they can have the cap room to do so, if they must. Revis wants the deal now, not a year from now---his leverage can only go down waiting until next offseason, really. So while it's not a good situation for Pats, it's also not quite as dire as you describe...they do have options, and Revis loses something too.
They would need to make some other moves (small Brady/Gronk restructure, maybe a Dennard cut) to get cap compliant for the new league year. They could definitely do it but it would take a little advance planning.
$16m+ a year -- which is what Revis could easily be getting in this market -- is a lot of money to do a lot of good things with.
This team has never, ever been about paying the highest dollars to the most $$$ F.A. on the market. Well, perhaps except for Adalius Thomas and we all know how that turned out. Last year's Revis signing was decidedly under market.
Yet they keep winning. So say no to $16+ for Revis, and $9+ for McCourty. I'm bet they will keep winning without both.
This team has never, ever been about paying the highest dollars to the most $$$ F.A. on the market. Well, perhaps except for Adalius Thomas and we all know how that turned out. Last year's Revis signing was decidedly under market.
Yet they keep winning. So say no to $16+ for Revis, and $9+ for McCourty. I'm bet they will keep winning without both.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 30s30 seconds ago
Indianapolis Colts announced they agreed to terms with former Eagles guard Todd Herremans.
Indianapolis Colts announced they agreed to terms with former Eagles guard Todd Herremans.
Per LaCanfora:
Decent depth move, but I thought Herremens was fairly washed up even before his injury last year.
Decent depth move, but I thought Herremens was fairly washed up even before his injury last year.
SeoulSoxFan said:
Didn't Wilfork and Makins both get top of market $$ for their respective positions?
My concern is that Woody decides to give Revis a contract that falls below only Suh and Watt, not just top CB $$.
If that ends up the case hopefully NE puts serious investment in the DL since the other CB options aren't going to be significantly better than what you have in house. Odrick and Graham would be nice options to consider.
At the very least, the Eagles are probably out in terms of the Revis sweepstakes.Ed Hillel said:
Glad we got Browner at the price we did.
Edit: the other thing is, Maxwell will be 27 at the start of next season, while Revis will be 30. So there's that.
In the manner to which we are accustomed though? We don't want no 9 and 7s.SeoulSoxFan said:
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Well, he was damn lucky. Rapaport says he got grazed in the arm, but he also said this.E5 Yaz said:
Jason Cole @JasonPhilCole 13m13 minutes ago
Two sources indicating TE Julius Thomas is just about done/signed in Jacksonville
Two sources indicating TE Julius Thomas is just about done/signed in Jacksonville
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 11m11 minutes ago
Sources: Jets lining up contingency plan if Bilal Powell walks. One potential target: Patriots RB Shane Vereen
Sources: Jets lining up contingency plan if Bilal Powell walks. One potential target: Patriots RB Shane Vereen
Shane Vereen is a contingency plan for losing Bilal Powell? That's like saying your contingency plan if your fiancée leaves you at the altar is to marry Gisele.
RedOctober3829 said:
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 7s7 seconds ago
Will join @JaysonBraddock as saying CB Byron Maxwell to the Eagles seems like a done deal at $50m+ over 5 with $25m in guarantees.
Rand Getlin @Rand_Getlin 10m10 minutes ago
Source indicates the #49ers are bracing to lose Frank Gore. Has an offer on the table from the #Eagles averaging $5M+, $7M in guarantees.
Source indicates the #49ers are bracing to lose Frank Gore. Has an offer on the table from the #Eagles averaging $5M+, $7M in guarantees.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 28s28 seconds ago
Chargers and CB Brandon Flowers reached agreement on a 4-year deal, per league sources. Deal to be signed this week.
Chargers and CB Brandon Flowers reached agreement on a 4-year deal, per league sources. Deal to be signed this week.
Damn, that was the guy if Revis leaves. Best guy left is Tramon Williams, who is 32, or the bigot Culliver, coming off an ACL tear. I think Cromartie is a non-starter with this team.Corsi said:
Flowers' numbers are going to be important for the Revis situation.
Ed Hillel said:
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 5s5 seconds ago
Brandon Flowers will get about $9m per year on that four-year deal with the Chargers @AdamSchefter mentioned
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Reminder: Ndamukong Suh will cost the Lions $9.7M in cap space in 2015 while he plays for the Dolphins.
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Josh Katzenstein@jkatzensteinReminder: Ndamukong Suh will cost the Lions $9.7M in cap space in 2015 while he plays for the Dolphins.
That's an insane contract. He was still effective last season but he's 31 with a lot of mileage 11,000+ yards. Prime candidate for a Rice/MJD cliff dive.Corsi said:
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It could easily be effectively a one year contract with a cap hit around $5M and very little dead money if they cut him in 2016. I wouldn't particularly like that deal for Gore but for a team with $50M in cap space in 2015, its hardly insane.
Without the details, its almost always impossible to know whether any NFL contract is truly awful (Suh contract seems like an exception).
ESPN saying the Gore contract is for 3 years, with $7.5 million guaranteed for the first 2 years:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12445109/frank-gore-plans-sign-philadelphia-eagles
Gore is also good at pass protection, so there's that too. Maybe that's worth an extra 500K or something. It might be a front-loaded deal like Lynch's, and he becomes very cuttable after 1 or 2 years.
I dunno, depending on the details, it might not be so horrible of a deal.
Edit: or what MMS said.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12445109/frank-gore-plans-sign-philadelphia-eagles
Gore is also good at pass protection, so there's that too. Maybe that's worth an extra 500K or something. It might be a front-loaded deal like Lynch's, and he becomes very cuttable after 1 or 2 years.
I dunno, depending on the details, it might not be so horrible of a deal.
Edit: or what MMS said.
I actually don't think the patriots can spend 16 mill in a way that better impacts their chances for a return to the Super Bowl than giving it to Revis. And I believe/hope/expect that is precisely what they'll do.
BigSoxFan said:
Yup. And since 1990, only Emmitt Smith, Ricky Williams, and Mike Allen have had 1000 yard rushing seasons at age 32. And nobody past that, although Smith had a couple 900 yard seasons afterwards. Williams' body was also probably a bit fresher as he had basically missed two full seasons, too.
http://www.sportingcharts.com/articles/nfl/best-running-back-seasons-by-30plus-year-olds.aspx
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 4s4 seconds ago
Final contract numbers on Byron Maxwell's deal with Eagles very likely to be $63M over 6 years with $25M guaranteed
Final contract numbers on Byron Maxwell's deal with Eagles very likely to be $63M over 6 years with $25M guaranteed
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 5m5 minutes ago
Mark Sanchez is going back to Eagles, 2 Year Deal, max value of $16M, $5.5M Guaranteed, per source.
Mark Sanchez is going back to Eagles, 2 Year Deal, max value of $16M, $5.5M Guaranteed, per source.
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 10m10 minutes ago
Torrey Smith tweeted he's leaving Baltimore. The expectation is he will sign with the 49ers.
Torrey Smith tweeted he's leaving Baltimore. The expectation is he will sign with the 49ers.
You joke but Smith is the best WR in the league at drawing PI. Their offense could take a huge step back next year if Forsett leaves.
Morning Woodhead said:
What's Amendola's cap hit? I know he performed at times down the stretch, but I see the Pats upgrading this position if economically feasible.
Let's make sure we steer clear of the "suck it, Harbaugh" until we're dead certain that Torrey Smith money (plus more) doesn't wind up going to a former Patriots #24 not named Ty Law. Their secondary sure could use him.
pdaj said:
$5.7 million in 2015, but if they cut him before June 2, they are still on the hook for $3.6 million. Not sure they'll find good value with another WR with the difference.
http://patscap.com/
Chris Mortensen @mortreport 21s21 seconds ago
The Eagles' wild ride will continue: Jeremy Maclin plans to reunite with Andy Reid in Kansas City once free agent market opens Tuesday.
The Eagles' wild ride will continue: Jeremy Maclin plans to reunite with Andy Reid in Kansas City once free agent market opens Tuesday.
5.7 cap hit. 1.2 if they cut him after June 1. I think they can replace the productivity for less money.pdaj said: