I don't disagree with the concept of teams getting leapfrogged despite blowing out terrible teams, but I don't get what is so great about beating Georgia Tech, Kansas State, or Wisconsin.
Sox and Rocks said:There is talk of Cincy, byu, Colorado state, and Houston as possible additions
this needs love.Domer said:I don't disagree with the concept of teams getting leapfrogged despite blowing out terrible teams, but I don't get what is so great about beating Georgia Tech, Kansas State, or Wisconsin.
They moved 5 to 3 and Miss St lost. So they only went up one "real" spot.BigMike said:The fix was in, There i no doubt in my mind that if it were Texas or Oklahoma sitting there at 11-1 that it would have been the same outcome.
The real question is as the process was fixed, why last week's move of TCU from 6-3. Was it strictly to drive ratings, and controvery? Maybe they wanted cover in case the OSU 3rd string couldn't play at all.
I have no doubt in my mind that i Baylor beat KSU in the Big 12 Championship game yesterday to get to 12-1, Baylor still would have finished #5. The championship game excuse is just an excuse.
TCU and Baylor may be in a somewhat big boy conference, but they are not big boy teams, and if there is an OSU out there OSU will always win out.
I actually think OSU is a good team, they might be a really good team. It is just so hard to measure them because they lost to a team that is not top 50 in the country, and they rode through a complete piece of steaming crap of a conference this year, including a very overrated Wiscy in the title game
is there any sort of timetable for this?mabrowndog said:
Each bowl game makes its announcement independently based on when its invitations are extended and accepted. There's no "selection show" for them.
Wait, Mississippi State passed Michigan State? I would have loved to hear Tim Long explain that one.Infield Infidel said:Orange Bowl - 12 Georgia Tech vs 7 Mississippi St
Peach Bowl - 9 Ole Miss vs 6 TCU
Cotton Bowl - 5 Baylor vs 8 Michigan St
Fiesta Bowl - 20 Boise St vs 10 Arizona
Infield Infidel said:Orange Bowl - 12 Georgia Tech vs 7 Mississippi St
Peach Bowl - 9 Ole Miss vs 6 TCU
Cotton Bowl - 5 Baylor vs 8 Michigan St
Fiesta Bowl - 20 Boise St vs 10 Arizona
5 of the 6 are going to be blowouts. (and not 6, because Baylor won't stop the Sparty ground game, which will limit possessions).soxfan121 said:
Is there a place to bet that these four games will all be more competitive than Alabama-OSU?
And that 6 of the 8 would give Alabama a better game?
You have to look at who they beat as well as who they lost to. OSU beat 2 ranked teams to TCU's one.RedOctober3829 said:The process is a complete joke. Yes, TCU lost to Baylor but a situation where a team that didn't win it's conference title and still competed for the national title has happened multiple times. So, let's take "Well, they lost to Baylor" out of the question because it hasn't mattered in the past. TCU's loss was to a top 5 team on the road by one score while Ohio State lost at home to a team ranked #50 in the Sagarin Ratings.
OSU went 59-0 against a top-20 opponent. Yeah, it sucks and you can't realistically be expected to do much more than TCU did, but OSU put up a severe beatdown and if you think (as has been mentioned a few times here) that 3-6 were essentially tied going in then I could see giving them the nod. It's essentially grasping at straws to distinguish them.The team ranked #3 went out and beat a team 55-3 and dropped 3 spots????
Make it ranked, or just look at overall SOS (included on the link above)--either way, OSU's was tougher.Dan to Theo to Ben said:Pretty sure 80%+ of the people who keep mentioning Baylor beat TCU never even saw a minute of the first three quarters.
TCU's in-conference SOS was significantly better than OSU, top-20 is so arbitrary.
Does RPI have a brand factor included now? I'm not saying it's perfect, but the two teams are very close. Certainly close enough that reasonable minds can disagree, and saying the only way OSU could possibly be ranked higher is because of the name smacks of sour grapes.Minnesota and Baylor v. Buffalo and VT? No debate. (best OOC win and only loss, rspvtly) And even if you add in KState and Wiscy (best perfomance) TCU should be ranked higher, if you ignore the brand.
SumnerH said:You have to look at who they beat as well as who they lost to. OSU beat 2 ranked teams to TCU's one.
FWIW, RPI has OSU ranked ahead of TCU in large part because of OSU's stronger schedule. http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html
I'm not saying OSU's clearly better, but it's essentially a push.
OSU went 59-0 against a top-20 opponent. Yeah, it sucks and you can't realistically be expected to do much more than TCU did, but OSU put up a severe beatdown and if you think (as has been mentioned a few times here) that 3-6 were essentially tied going in then I could see giving them the nod. It's essentially grasping at straws to distinguish them.
Preach it, brother. Preach it. At least the BCS used some sort of algorithm, even if it was based largely on the opinions of people. This system uses figure skating judges. OSU lost to a horrible VT team and with the aid of some world-class bad officiating "beat" a one-dimensional PSU team.Sox and Rocks said:More controversy please. Until a real playoff is adopted, these schools and conferences get what they deserve
A response to someone making the argument summarized in the first sentence could be "when they start an 128-game season, the argument will have merit."swiftaw said:The argument I keep hearing against an 8 team playoff is that it devalues the regular season. However, if the 8 teams were the 5 Power 5 conference champions, the best team from outside the Power 5 and 2 at-large teams surely this would actually place more emphasis on the regular season since non-conference champions have a much smaller chance of making the playoffs.
I'll be the one smiling at the execution. If it ended tomorrow, it would be too late. Fuck the bowls.axx said:You'd also kill the bowl system if you go any more than 4 teams.
Yeah. It's amazing how they manage to get people to care about them by calling them "bowls" instead of simply "meaningless exhibition games".Fred in Lynn said:I'll be the one smiling at the execution. If it ended tomorrow, it would be too late. Fuck the bowls.
SumnerH said:Yeah. It's amazing how they manage to get people to care about them by calling them "bowls" instead of simply "meaningless exhibition games".
The classification of the games is not exactly the context of my comment.SumnerH said:Yeah. It's amazing how they manage to get people to care about them by calling them "bowls" instead of simply "meaningless exhibition games".
The College Football Pyramid takes it one step further: restructuring conferences into eight regions, destroying the old, rigid organizational levels and—in a nice twist taken from European soccer (among other international sports)—creating a promotion/relegation system for teams between a region's tiers.
http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/12/29/espn-college-football-playoff-broadcast
ESPN will offer multiple viewing options for what it is calling the “CFP Megacast,” the network’s biggest production to date. This upcoming Megacast will offer a different production on every ESPN television network (ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPNEWS, ESPN Classic, ESPN Deportes, ESPN Goal Line), multiple options on ESPN3, and the game coverage on ESPN Radio and ESPN International. The main broadcast will appear on ESPN.
As a reminder, ESPN used six of its television platforms last year as well as audio and digital outlets to offer viewers extra content for the Florida State-Auburnthriller. What stood out most for me -- as well as ESPN execs -- was the "BCS Film Room" featuring Texas A&M coach Kevin Sumlin, Boston College coach Steve Addazio and Pitt coach Paul Chryst as well as ESPN analysts Matt Millen, Chris Spielman and (a really good) Tom Luginbill providing X-and-O analysis. It was smart television, minimally produced. It was one of the rare debut products by ESPN that produced near universal acclaim.
The Film Room will return, which is great news for X’s and O’s junkies. The network is still working out which coaches and ESPN talent will be part of the room.
1 down, 4/5 to goDan to Theo to Ben said:5 of the 6 are going to be blowouts. (and not 6, because Baylor won't stop the Sparty ground game, which will limit possessions).