There has been very little reporting on the Agholor situation in the last 48 hours. I think that the rush to judgement on McCoy has everyone nervous, but on the flip, there has to be videotape of this incident somewhere if it happened in the club.
Yeah, right?This argument is especially stupid in an Eagles thread.
Holy moly!!!!! I just saw you were back from the Gronk thread!! Welcome back!!Thank you both, it is nice to see you guys too!
It's gotta be off-field. DGB led the team's WR in yards last year and is only 23.Leaves the Titan's WR depth chart with:
Kendall Wright
Andre Johnson
Harry Douglas
Tre McBride
Rishard Matthews
Justin Hunter
Tajae Sharp
Not really an inspiring list. Maybe they really needed the OL upgrade, but I don't think they were dealing from an excess of roster talent at the WR position. If DGB could play then I doubt the Titans move him. With the two obvious caveats that this could be off field related or the Titans are just wrong in their player evaluation.
Nvm, I'm stupid.I'd love to hear the Eagles fans' thoughts on Kelly. For a team that just lost its starting left tackle, it seems kind of odd to trade away an offensive lineman. If it were the Cowboys doing that, I know I'd be well and truly steamed. But there's a history there with the guy who runs the show, so my view might be colored by that.
Kelly is a turn-style at tackle.I'd love to hear the Eagles fans' thoughts on Kelly. For a team that just lost its starting left tackle, it seems kind of odd to trade away an offensive lineman. If it were the Cowboys doing that, I know I'd be well and truly steamed. But there's a history there with the guy who runs the show, so my view might be colored by that.
I'm saying that this is a lot for a bench player who doesn't player special teams. Kendricks has been disappointing in camp and Schwartz has come pretty close explicitly criticising him.What bullshit are you talking about? Hicks isn't benched, or moved, or cut. Pederson literally said moving him outside was not the plan. Kendricks hasn't just been disappointing, he's been bad. A bad player losing his job usually has more to do with the fact that he's bad than it does about being someone else's guy.
I think your outright hatred for Roseman clouds your judgement sometimes. The LB unit is thiiiiin, and they brought in. LB that may be able to help. That is not a bad thing.
Last point - I agree with you that the division is weak. I think they've got a good chance to win that weak division. And I think their defense can be good enough to make some real noise in the playoffs, offensive deficiencies aside. We'll see.
I don't like Roseman, but I have been pretty clear I think he has done a pretty great job this offseason. I do worry about giving up so many picks on Roseman's judgement given his last two first round picks have been an epic disaster. But it's not like it's just Roseman who like shim, and reading up since has mitigated my concerns somewhat.However, that's a lot for a backup vet. So there's the inevitable set of bored writers wondering if hicks or kendricks could be at risk. Esp given Schwartz seems to love his guys.
Agreed all round. I had high hopes for Kelly when he came out of college and even looked halfway decent for a few games in his first few seasons, but he just hasn't panned out. Like you say, he is a slightly-worse-than-league-average Guard, but a bad Tackle. There is a hypothesis out there that the high octane offense hurt him more than others due to his size, and that he would be more effective in a "normal" offense, but I wouldn't take that to the bank.Kelly is a turn-style at tackle.
He's absolutely a liability there. They may or may not able to be replaced by a player of equal or better quality (honestly it's hard to imagine someone massively worse).
He's serviceable at guard, so decent depth guy overall. Can start at Guard and emergency fill in at T.
If he is starting at tackle you better have a lot of QBs.
It's a bit odd they are willing to trade him with Lane Johnson seemingly increasingly likely to be missing 10 games, but I can't complain because I'd rather a random guy who might surprise than a known awful.
It makes the offense likely even worse this year, to be honest, but it was likely eh to bad anyway. But if DGB works out he is a guy you can't get off the street or waivers. I think at Tackle Kelly is just that, and they have guard options.
Plus if Bradford is drilled all year <shrug> he';s only there as a filler anyway.
So I like the trade. The Eagles are a waste land at WR esp if they blew a first round pick! It's Matthews and ?
Pretty ballsy to trade your supposed back up Tackle for a problematic upside play while you're finding out if your starting RT is suspended or not.
But bottom line Kelly isn't a Tackle for me, and isn't really needed at G so got to like the move really. If thye find a scrapheap RT I doubt there's much difference vs Kelly.
The real scare is when Peters gets hurt and they have no tackles. Poor Sammy
I'm surprised that you are upset about Brooks over Rowe. Brooks has - it seems - played pretty well in camp and in the preseason games (NB: I only watch short periods of preseason games where Carson Wentz is not playing). But on the flip, I guess I get it. Rowe is young and dammit, he should be decent. Let's see when the games begin.I'm saying that this is a lot for a bench player who doesn't player special teams. Kendricks has been disappointing in camp and Schwartz has come pretty close explicitly criticising him.
I'm pleased to have him as depth for Hicks, given his history. If they have just overpaid for that, fine. Not like they haven't done this for QB for example. But I see Schwartz guys playing with the firsts which I don't approve of (Brooks over Rowe is probably the best example). I am concerned about a Schwartz guy on a decent contract being favoured over a Kelly guy. We shall see. I don't believe it!!! AS I SAID!
As I say post Walker they needed to do something, there has long been a fit here and it was likely about negotiations, which the Eagles lost all edge on with the Walker ACL.
I literally said. IE people are speculating. I also said I hope not, veteran depth good, pushing out younger talent bad.
I don't like Roseman, but I have been pretty clear I think he has done a pretty great job this offseason. I do worry about giving up so many picks on Roseman's judgement given his last two first round picks have been an epic disaster. But it's not like it's just Roseman who like shim, and reading up since has mitigated my concerns somewhat.
So I think you are misreading what I am saying.
I hope you're right re playoffs, esp as they don't have a first if they were to suck. I like the D a lot, but I think the offense is likely BAD, clearly the worst in the division.
I was surprised about Rowe to be honest, but the message that seems to be flowing through the various Eagles message boards, radio et al is that he will be on the roster and will have a role. He may have been nursing something or Schwartz was looking to stash him a bit. The Eagles defense looked good, let's see what happens when the games begin. I will be more worried about Rowe if he plays a ton in the final preseason game......So Rowe was not in the game until after the undrafted rookies and Kendricks was playing late in the 4th with the scrubs and refused to talk to the media.
Still think there's nothing here? I think Kendricks has a problem. Rowe is good I just don't understand him being buried.
Defense again looked excellent. But it's preseason.
Offense looked good but the Colts were missing like their whole secondary!
The awful. The drop> interception by agholor was BAD he needs to get his shit together.
Smallwood finally gets to play and gets concussion on his what second or third carry.
Encouraging. The Eagles look very good out of three TE set. Burton is good. It helps their oline blocking and they have three good receivers there. I think this is used a lot and I like it.
Huff flashed. His talent with the ball in hand often shines.
The fade to DGB... On a small corner that's stealing. I love him as a red zone option. Three TE and him is some big big bodies down there.
Andy would always cut guys who had a shot at making other squads as early as possible so that they could optimize their chances. This was perceived very positively by players per comments made over the radio by former players. My thinking is that both guys really performed sub-optimally (which was what all the reports said) and Pederson went with the Reid approach. Otherwise it seems odd to drop both guys so early.Back to the Eagles, they cut Rueben Randle and Chris Givens among others. How badly must they have played to not make the Eagles' WR corps?
I think in general teams around the league tend to cut more experienced players now. I think part is courtesy to vets, but there are also different circumstances with the 75-man and 53-man cut-down. Going from 75 to 53 you can put players on IR, and you're also going to fill out your practice squad right after. A lot of the young bubble guys left are PS candidates, so you don't want to cut them now, but the vets can't be added to the PS so it makes sense to jettison them at the cut-down to 75.Andy would always cut guys who had a shot at making other squads as early as possible so that they could optimize their chances. This was perceived very positively by players per comments made over the radio by former players. My thinking is that both guys really performed sub-optimally (which was what all the reports said) and Pederson went with the Reid approach. Otherwise it seems odd to drop both guys so early.
Good points as well.I think in general teams around the league tend to cut more experienced players now. I think part is courtesy to vets, but there are also different circumstances with the 75-man and 53-man cut-down. Going from 75 to 53 you can put players on IR, and you're also going to fill out your practice squad right after. A lot of the young bubble guys left are PS candidates, so you don't want to cut them now, but the vets can't be added to the PS so it makes sense to jettison them at the cut-down to 75.
This is 100% right. He's physically talented but just doesn't have the brain to be an NFL WR. It's hard to be sure how many picks were his fault the last two years, but it was a LOT. As a Giants fan, I was happy to see him cut and quietly hoped that the Eagles would actually waste regular season snaps on him. Oh well.Randle's a lock to cause a handful of interceptions every year from running incorrect and/or imprecise routes and generally just being on a different page (or different playbook) from his quarterback. Not worth the promise of his physical gifts, despite the few good games he puts up every year.
2017 first and 2018 fourth lololol. Maybe Eagles gave back a second or something???Schefter is saying Eagles may have got Vikings first for Bradford?! WTF
Trading a crappy QB is tanking?Philly teams would never tank, would they?
Could be the difference between 6-10 in the draft and #1.Trading a crappy QB is tanking?
Except they don't have their own #1 pick any more so them tanking only helps someone else.Could be the difference between 6-10 in the draft and #1.
Oh that's right. It is pretty much still a fleecing, but Bridgewater sounds like at the very least he will miss some of 2017 too. So if Bradford stays healthy (ha!) he'll likely be the QB for two years.Except they don't have their own #1 pick any more so them tanking only helps someone else.