All dead money comes forward onto the cap immediately. So, gonna be a hit I think.So I know cutting him would have cost the Pats cap room, does this change that?
Should open up about 1.75 mil, I believe.So I know cutting him would have cost the Pats cap room, does this change that?
All dead money comes forward onto the cap immediately. So, gonna be a hit I think.
I see that his dead cap number is $8M - so which one is it guys?Should open up about 1.75 mil, I believe.
I see that his dead cap number is $8M - so which one is it guys?
Whoops.All dead money comes forward onto the cap immediately. So, gonna be a hit I think.
Miguel said something about them processing immediately versus June 2, so they can decide which way to play it. But if it's only an extra 1.25M, might was well do it.Whoops.
Well he was gonna take up 5 mil this year had he stayed anyway. So 8 hits now, but they save 1.75 mil in base and bonuses, so instead of 5 this year, the hit becomes 6.25, so it costs them an extra 1.25 mil I believe. DJ had it right.
Think it’s actually 1.75 (edited above). I’m rusty lol. Agree with your point either way, unless you think you need it for Jimmy I guess (not my preferred strategy).Miguel said something about them processing immediately versus June 2, so they can decide which way to play it. But if it's only an extra 1.25M, might was well do it.
Should be closer to 6.85, no? Signing bonus allocations:He will cost just over $6.1 million against the cap this year which is an increase of about $1 million.
Breakdown -Miguel said something about them processing immediately versus June 2, so they can decide which way to play it. But if it's only an extra 1.25M, might was well do it.
The way they use their safeties, there are probably three guys who will take his snaps at various times, Dugger, Phillips, and Mills.Is Mills the replacement?
OTC doesn't have a the $750K in 2024 which explains the discrepancy between @RedOctober3829 's numbers and the $6.85 MM. Miguel is saying $6.85 MM; as always, he's probably right.Should be closer to 6.85, no?
2021 - 3.28
2022 - 2.08
2023 - .75
2024 - .75
Any cut or retirement processes after June 1 gets this treatment.Yeah, that’s weird lol. Must be some retirement rule that pushes dead money to protect teams from surprise retirements.
I thought the math looked different from a standard post June cut, but I might well be wrong on that. It’s been a minute, getting back on the bike so to speak.Any cut or retirement processes after June 1 gets this treatment.
I haven’t heard a definitive explanation for its intended purpose, as this is real minutiae and understandably not shit they talk about on NFLN or ESPN. But it seems to help teams who have a pre camp retirement hit their books, who cut a guy as rosters pare down, or need some extra dollars to sign draft picks.
I'm pretty sure that was Eugene Chung.Such a fun hardworking player who I'll never speak ill of.
Not to be confused with Peter Chung, the practice squad player who idiotically called for a fake punt in the 2011 Jets Playoff game leading to our upset loss on what should have been a superbowl team. Peter Chung was last seen being led by Ernie Adams and a team of ex-navy seal operators to an interrogation site in Poland immeidately after the game...
Eugene was an offensive tackle back in the 90'sI'm pretty sure that was Eugene Chung.
Is Patrick, though, a Patriots Hall of Famer? I'd put him in ahead of Lawyer Milloy. Started 112 games and 19 playoff games. I can't think of any iconic plays (Eugene's fake punt aside).
Same here. I remember kind of thinking good riddance when he left for Philly. A guy who got burned too much in coverage. His version 2.0 return turned out to be a surprising, and really enjoyable run. Once he was utilized more to his strengths of run support, etc, became a very good, productive player, and a core member of three championships. Glad he’s going out on his own terms.A really good player that BB admitted he goofed on because he initially had him playing a position that didn't suit his skills.
Chung was a lot of fun to watch and a hard worker. He'll be missed, I always really liked him.
Pretty sure you missed the joke.Eugene was an offensive tackle back in the 90's
Entirely possible.Pretty sure you missed the joke.
Such a fun hardworking player who I'll never speak ill of.
Not to be confused with Peter Chung, the practice squad player who idiotically called for a fake punt in the 2011 Jets Playoff game leading to our upset loss on what should have been a superbowl team. Peter Chung was last seen being led by Ernie Adams and a team of ex-navy seal operators to an interrogation site in Poland immeidately after the game...
I'm pretty sure that was Eugene Chung.
Is Patrick, though, a Patriots Hall of Famer? I'd put him in ahead of Lawyer Milloy. Started 112 games and 19 playoff games. I can't think of any iconic plays (Eugene's fake punt aside).
Eugene was an offensive tackle back in the 90's
Guys. It was Patrick Chung. The same guy.Entirely possible.
Maybe it was Wang Chung who called the fake punt in 2011?
Teams would abuse the hell out of that.I don't like the NFL rules whereby a player who retires costs you a dead cap hit. It's not like the Pats traded him or cut him. If the guy retires, whatever is left on his contract should be gone. Both in real dollars and cap space.
I thought Ernie Adams taking the guy to get waterboarded would be enough of a giveaway.
The dead cap hit is only acceleration of his signing bonus, e.g. money already paid to Chung. I don't really see a good argument as to why money a team actually paid a player shouldn't ever hit the salary cap.I don't like the NFL rules whereby a player who retires costs you a dead cap hit. It's not like the Pats traded him or cut him. If the guy retires, whatever is left on his contract should be gone. Both in real dollars and cap space.
Oh well that makes sense I suppose.The dead cap hit is only acceleration of his signing bonus, e.g. money already paid to Chung. I don't really see a good argument as to why money a team actually paid a player shouldn't ever hit the salary cap.
Evening out the fake punt. 7th man to finish the tackle?I can't think of many iconic or defining big plays
Too easy to cheat the system if you don’t. Eg you sign a player you know will retire in 2 years. You only have cap space for $2m this year, so you structure a 5-year contract with a $10m signing bonus so it counts only $2m this year. If the guy retires as expected then with your idea you’ve effectively created $6m in free cap spaceI don't like the NFL rules whereby a player who retires costs you a dead cap hit. It's not like the Pats traded him or cut him. If the guy retires, whatever is left on his contract should be gone. Both in real dollars and cap space.
I always think of this game by Chung. Blocked a punt, a field goal, and a pick 6 vs. Phins in week 4 of 2010:I can't think of many iconic or defining big plays, but he was steady and reliable in his second stint, he was always a hard worker and he just seemed like a fun guy (insert cocaine joke). His story is great considering how he was viewed when he left the first time vs how we all see him now. 3 rings, a year off and a young baby at home. Great time to step away.
One often overlooked Chung play was against the Falcons down 28-9 in the 4th quarter.*I can't think of many iconic or defining big plays, but he was steady and reliable in his second stint, he was always a hard worker and he just seemed like a fun guy (insert cocaine joke). His story is great considering how he was viewed when he left the first time vs how we all see him now. 3 rings, a year off and a young baby at home. Great time to step away.