This goes back to what I’ve been saying for awhile that it’s a trust issue with the players. Ainge reiterated this today. If the star players don’t trust their teammates it isn’t the star players who are going to be replaced. Either way you cannot be so passive that you are on a floor for 21 min without attempting a single shot. You have to find a way to be productive on that end of the floor to some degree. This trade deadline is going to be as interesting a one as we’ve seen in awhile. Ainge cannot sit on his hands as that isn’t likely what Wyc wants.Nesmith taking 0 shots in a single game is far less a Nesmith problem. It's a problem with the structure of the team's offense, which is the fault of either Tatum and Brown and/or Coach Brad. Nesmith was doing OK in the games running up to the one against Dallas. Seems like Tatum doesn't like someone else taking shots, period.
I've always found Tatum reluctant to feed Time Lord, while Smart and, now, Pritchard seem to jump at every opportunity to do so.Nesmith taking 0 shots in a single game is far less a Nesmith problem. It's a problem with the structure of the team's offense, which is the fault of either Tatum and Brown and/or Coach Brad. Nesmith was doing OK in the games running up to the one against Dallas. Seems like Tatum doesn't like someone else taking shots, period.
Maybe it’s because he can be so deliberate or because he tends to pound the ball to the ground in one spot but it does seem like Tatum is much more of a ball stopper than Brown.I've always found Tatum reluctant to feed Time Lord, while Smart and, now, Pritchard seem to jump at every opportunity to do so.
Tatum has brought his Assist numbers from 2.1 to 3.0 to 4.5 this year so he’s setting up somebody. There has to be an Advanced Stat somewhere to show us who.I've always found Tatum reluctant to feed Time Lord, while Smart and, now, Pritchard seem to jump at every opportunity to do so.
Tatum and Brown Frequency of passes to teammates for 2020-2021.Tatum has brought his Assist numbers from 2.1 to 3.0 to 4.5 this year so he’s setting up somebody. There has to be an Advanced Stat somewhere to show us who.
Was curious so looked at Jaylen and he’s gone from 1.4 to 2.1 to 3.9 as well. They aren’t complete black holes.
They're both gifted passers. My biggest critique of Tatum is that he won't make the simple pass that keeps the ball moving and can get the defense off-balance.Tatum has brought his Assist numbers from 2.1 to 3.0 to 4.5 this year so he’s setting up somebody. There has to be an Advanced Stat somewhere to show us who.
Was curious so looked at Jaylen and he’s gone from 1.4 to 2.1 to 3.9 as well. They aren’t complete black holes.
One would need to compare that with minutes played (or better yet, minutes played with JT/JB) to look for any trends.Tatum and Brown Frequency of passes to teammates for 2020-2021.
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Tatum's AST% is 21%, he's definitely facilitating more.Tatum has brought his Assist numbers from 2.1 to 3.0 to 4.5 this year so he’s setting up somebody. There has to be an Advanced Stat somewhere to show us who.
Was curious so looked at Jaylen and he’s gone from 1.4 to 2.1 to 3.9 as well. They aren’t complete black holes.
If you or anyone has time can you compare them to other end of game iso guys like Doncic, Lillard, Beal, etc. If not I can do it late tonight. Tatums AST% in clutch seems higher than a half and Jaylens lower. Interesting if anythingTatum's AST% is 21%, he's definitely facilitating more.
In clutch situations it drops to 16%
Jaylen... 20.2%, drops in Clutch time to..... 5.6%
Jaylen is really the guy just going full black hole in the clutch.
Like NomarsFool said I’d like to see this with comparable minutes. I know these numbers were out there.Tatum and Brown Frequency of passes to teammates for 2020-2021.
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Because that's double what it should be.So why all the teeth gnashing about the "2 big" lineup? Because 2 is one more than the usual 1.
You can find the data but its not all in one spot. You will essentially have to do it yourself.One would need to compare that with minutes played (or better yet, minutes played with JT/JB) to look for any trends.
Right. It's almost like Tatum *only* passes when it will lead directly to a bucket.They're both gifted passers. My biggest critique of Tatum is that he won't make the simple pass that keeps the ball moving and can get the defense off-balance.
Not every good pass becomes an assist. Just check out the videos of the Jazz's fantastic ball movement this season.
Yes, this is my primary point. I was addressing the specific issue of our personnel on the floor and why we don’t play with Pace.
Okay you're just a troll. Can't take you seriously. You asked me how I could say only one forward was playing.Because that's double what it should be.
I would guess Tatum's number is pretty good and Brown's is bad as well.If you or anyone has time can you compare them to other end of game iso guys like Doncic, Lillard, Beal, etc. If not I can do it late tonight. Tatums AST% in clutch seems higher than a half and Jaylens lower. Interesting if anything
THose are per game, 18 GP 3.6 MPG so about 65 minutes.If I'm reading it right both Jays have played 3.6 minutes of clutch time, so we're talking a pretty tiny sample size here.
Yeah bud, I replied to your post that said thisOkay you're just a troll. Can't take you seriously. You asked me how I could say only one forward was playing.
I believe this wholeheartedly. I also think that teams that went deep in the playoffs have mental fatigue now. The combination is not good.An observation on the compressed schedule this year: At first, I assumed it would favor teams that had a lot of young players who could withstand the more frequent back to backs. Now I'm wondering if that thinking is backwards, and that the schedule favors more veteran teams, because they don't need the practices as much and can figure things out on the fly. I think the Celtics, with all their very young players, have been especially hurt by the lack of practice time.
I never bought that it favoured young teams. Vets are probably better equipped with what seems like an extended road trip away from family too.An observation on the compressed schedule this year: At first, I assumed it would favor teams that had a lot of young players who could withstand the more frequent back to backs. Now I'm wondering if that thinking is backwards, and that the schedule favors more veteran teams, because they don't need the practices as much and can figure things out on the fly. I think the Celtics, with all their very young players, have been especially hurt by the lack of practice time.
The defensive issues are likely related in part to a lack of practice time but also in part to the roster construction, particularly with MS out.I mean obviously I'd rather they play better offense in crunch time and I wish the Jays were less selfish and yadda yadda yadda. But the biggest absolute dropoff has been the defense (14th in the league now).
Patience with the Jay's, sure. Patience with the roster construction? No. Danny has a ton of work to do on that front. This team will get better but they are missing a piece or two to get to true contention level now that Philly is improved and the Nets are looking like an offensive juggernaut who will probably add a depth piece or two during buyout season.Let’s not forget where the 76ers ended up last Summer. I believe that patience is the best approach for the Celtics.
also seems like the younger guys are more likely to catch COVID or at least be exposed.I never bought that it favoured young teams. Vets are probably better equipped with what seems like an extended road trip away from family too.
To mean, patience means not doing anything really stupid to try to quick fix for this season. No need to trade Pritchard for Gallinari, for example. No need to dump Tatum or Brown for a bunch of declining veterans and low first round draft picks. Trading Smart would be dumb.Patience with the Jay's, sure. Patience with the roster construction? No. Danny has a ton of work to do on that front. This team will get better but they are missing a piece or two to get to true contention level now that Philly is improved and the Nets are looking like an offensive juggernaut who will probably add a depth piece or two during buyout season.
For now, we need to just continue to develop the young guys to see what we have.
Agree with all of this. But I also expect Ainge to poke around for incremental improvements this trade deadline that can help the team going forward. Ainge and Wyc pretty much shot down any Barnes type move this week but maybe we can find a diamond in the rough this deadline who can be part of the rotation next year. Guys like PP, Nesmith, and TL aren't untradeable to me but I'm highly unlikely to move them. Anyone else (aside from the Jay's and Marcus) can go. I also wouldn't trade the 2021 draft pick unless we're getting a surefire top 7-8 rotation piece in return.To mean, patience means not doing anything really stupid to try to quick fix for this season. No need to trade Pritchard for Gallinari, for example. No need to dump Tatum or Brown for a bunch of declining veterans and low first round draft picks. Trading Smart would be dumb.
Probably want to keep Nesmith; he's had little opportunity and some extenuating circumstances, and probably wouldn't fetch very much either. But I'm not going to get too broken up if he's part of a bigger trade that fetches back an upgrade.
Patience also means not overpaying for an upgrade at the deadline; there will be tons of player movement this coming offseason, and it's hard to see how anyone that would be available in the next 4 weeks is going to allow the Celtics to get past the Nets or 76'ers.
But the rest of the roster are JAGs or worse, and should be treated as such when considering trades (Kemba is his own special case, but likely isn't going anywhere anyway). There's no reason, IMO, to be patient with GWilliams or Semi or Edwards or even Langford. None of them are likely to turn into anything other than trade fodder, and probably will not be around after their current contracts expire. Maybe R Williams is an exception, but he could be an asset that fetches a better player in return as part of a bigger deal. Ainge really needs to be aggressive this summer.
I don't know how fair that is though. In clutch time, the ball starts in Tatum's hands. He's either going to take a shot, or pass it. But if he's passing it to Jaylen, unless Jaylen gives it back to Tatum, Jaylen is likely going to be the one taking the shot. I'll bet a not insignificant number of Tatum's assists in clutch time are being scored by Jaylen. There just aren't going to be enough opportunities in clutch time for Jaylen to pass as there are for Tatum, because Jaylen isn't running the point.Tatum's AST% is 21%, he's definitely facilitating more.
In clutch situations it drops to 16%
Jaylen... 20.2%, drops in Clutch time to..... 5.6%
Jaylen is really the guy just going full black hole in the clutch.
I don't think that's close to all of it....I don't know how fair that is though. In clutch time, the ball starts in Tatum's hands. He's either going to take a shot, or pass it. But if he's passing it to Jaylen, unless Jaylen gives it back to Tatum, Jaylen is likely going to be the one taking the shot. I'll bet a not insignificant number of Tatum's assists in clutch time are being scored by Jaylen. There just aren't going to be enough opportunities in clutch time for Jaylen to pass as there are for Tatum, because Jaylen isn't running the point.
Making Kemba ball-dominant and leading the 2nd unit is probably the best way to get the most out of him. BUT Brad needs to go deeper into his bench and give the Jays some time off during COVID season.I think Brad has improved the rotation very recently. (Perhaps he feels the heat.)
I like the idea suggested above of Kemba leading the second unit. Williams looks like he is getting really good pretty fast. Adding Smart to the rotation will really help this team. I would play 8 to 9 deep for the next few games.
Which currently roster players do you think would best complement Walker in a Kemba and the bench lineup?Making Kemba ball-dominant and leading the 2nd unit is probably the best way to get the most out of him. BUT Brad needs to go deeper into his bench and give the Jays some time off during COVID season.
Yeah Coach Brad was in playoff mode last night knowing the team needed a W playing with a short rotation of 8 players. Nesmith and Green got a few minutes but the bulk of the bench minutes went to TL, Teague and PP.I think Brad has improved the rotation very recently. (Perhaps he feels the heat.)
I like the idea suggested above of Kemba leading the second unit. Williams looks like he is getting really good pretty fast. Adding Smart to the rotation will really help this team. I would play 8 to 9 deep for the next few games.
JFC, we really can’t help ourselves can we?Not really analysis, but the Celtics announced that fans will be allowed (obviously with a ton of restrictions) beginning March 29.
View: https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1365013212928892928?s=21
Stay true, Ponyboy.I wanted to be in the house for the first game when fans were allowed back, but I don't know if I want to pay to watch this team in person right now.
“Tatum and Brown can’t be your superstars,” the anonymous player said. “They only do things to help their game. They don’t get anyone else easy shots. All they know how to do is score. They don’t turn down tough shots to get a guy an easy shot. So teams are onto them.”
I like the way TT has been setting screens. Semi can spot up from 3. Nesmith. Theis can pick and pop. Probably another PG to help with ballhandling. Depends on the matchups.Which currently roster players do you think would best complement Walker in a Kemba and the bench lineup?
The Jays are not close to being finished players, rough month, but they are still ascendinghttps://clutchpoints.com/celtics-news-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-are-part-problem-per-anonymous-player/amp/
“Tatum and Brown can’t be your superstars,” the anonymous player said. “They only do things to help their game. They don’t get anyone else easy shots. All they know how to do is score. They don’t turn down tough shots to get a guy an easy shot. So teams are onto them.”
The piling on has begun in earnest.
“They’re also 22 and 24 and will probably never improve their games further”, the anonymous player, who has yet to make the playoffs in his 5-year career, added.https://clutchpoints.com/celtics-news-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-are-part-problem-per-anonymous-player/amp/
“Tatum and Brown can’t be your superstars,” the anonymous player said. “They only do things to help their game. They don’t get anyone else easy shots. All they know how to do is score. They don’t turn down tough shots to get a guy an easy shot. So teams are onto them.”
The piling on has begun in earnest.
Pretty sure that additional "quote" and attribution were the product of lovegtm's creative mind.A little sleuthing leads me to believe that that quote may be attributable to Devin Booker. 5th year player. Never made playoffs. His team recently played the Celtics (Suns faced the C's on Feb. 7th). Very few other guys fit the bill.