Do you have any evidence whatsoever for this statement?How many watch parties do you think the families are enjoying to view the games? I'm guessing food, pools and all around summer fun.
This non-bubble requires the families be distancing too and they aren't.
He means a team more important than the Marlins.
Another day will give them the time to focus-group how to spin it.tonight at least; nothing official after that
but if they are dinging tonight's game, why would they play tomorrow? one day later won't make a difference
You're all in with the current design to the MLB COVID mitigation effort?Do you have any evidence whatsoever for this statement?
View: https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/status/1287883428679938048
what happens when another team is decimated and the cancelled games become too much to make up fairly? And never mind the safety concerns.
I give this a week before backlash or another outbreak ends things.
Whoops, sorry. So focused on COVID that I didn’t even check the weather. D’oh.Due to weather.
So the Marlins should have been paused from the jump.
Maybe Manfred thinks COVID can’t be transmitted without the express written consent of Major League BaseballManfred says the game was played because they did contact tracing. Idiocy.
I don't know what happened there. Anyway, Anthony Rizzo offered hand sanitizer to the runner at first, while they chatted about it about two feet apart.FYI - There's something wrong with that URL and I couldn't fix it.
Here’s a vidI don't know what happened there. Anyway, Anthony Rizzo offered hand sanitizer to the runner at first, while they chatted about it about two feet apart.
Very snarky, brilliant, but snarky.Maybe Manfred thinks COVID can’t be transmitted without the express written consent of Major League Baseball
Outstanding work.Maybe Manfred thinks COVID can’t be transmitted without the express written consent of Major League Baseball
Per the Matt Breen, Phillies beat writer for the Inquirer.
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The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.
I can't get over this. You've got 100+ pages of carefully debated and crafted policy... and then the team's management just tosses it to the side and says "ehhh, no big deal, to hell with the paperwork, let's just ask what the players say!". And somehow ownership doesn't step in. Or the commissioner's office.From that Inquirer story:
The Marlins learned Sunday morning that their starting pitcher for the afternoon and two other players had tested positive for COVID-19 and would be unable to play. An apparent coronavirus outbreak was underway in the visiting clubhouse at Citizens Bank Park and the Marlins responded by asking their shortstop to determine if the game against the Phillies would be played.
“He’s kind of an unofficial team captain of our club,” Marlins manager Don Mattingly said of Miguel Rojas. “He’s always texting the group and getting the feelings of the group. So when we’re dealing with situations or things, that’s usually who we’re working through.”
“We made the decision that we’re going to continue to do this and we’re going to continue to be responsible and just play the game as hard as we can,” Rojas said.
This, like all your posts, was way funnier the first time I read it earlier in the day on Twitter.Maybe Manfred thinks COVID can’t be transmitted without the express written consent of Major League Baseball
I think that is a VERY minor concern of theirs. There's a shit ton of money to be lost here and that's the motivating factor.Manfred takes his marching orders from the owners. Which owners are tightest with Trump? Crane? Ricketts? A few others. I have little doubt (and admittedly no evidence except for the last 35 years of Donald Trump's life & 3.5 in office) that "no sports is killing my chances, you guys have to start playing" is a sentiment that made it from the White House to some owners.
Fauci doesn't think baseball needs to cancel at this point.The NBA turned to Fauci for input, the MLB turned to Miguel Rojas.
The Miami Marlins’ coronavirus outbreak could endanger the Major League Baseball season, Dr. Anthony Fauci said Tuesday, although he doesn’t believe games needs to stop now.
OK, so the game between the Phils and Yanks should be unpostponed tonight.No positive tests for Phillies:
View: https://twitter.com/JesseRogersESPN/status/1288122070266605576
View: https://twitter.com/karlravechespn/status/1288115272675557387OK, so the game between the Phils and Yanks should be unpostponed tonight.
Shots fired.This, like all your posts, was way funnier the first time I read it earlier in the day on Twitter.
View: https://twitter.com/Doug_Exeter/status/1287757879697526784
What does the incubation period have to do with testing? You can still test positive without exhibiting symptoms. There is a concern of false negatives, I guess, but another round of testing (which I assume will happen?), and they should be good.
I believe they said that contact tracing (in addition to Rojas) told them it was safe to play.Perhaps I missed it, but has MLB come out yet to explain how in the world the deciding factor on whether to play or not without all the test results back was left to the Marlins shortstop?
It's because the false negative rate is extremely high when performed too soon after exposure:What does the incubation period have to do with testing? You can still test positive without exhibiting symptoms. There is a concern of false negatives, I guess, but another round of testing (which I assume will happen?), and they should be good.
I understand what they SAID, but unless all of the first several Marlins to turn up positive were isolating for days before the tests, it is hard to come to a conclusion that most of the remainder of the club wouldn't also be at risk to contract the virus, and hence transmit this to the Phillies players by playing Sunday's game. If they actually did contact trace it is even more irresponsible what happened Sunday IMO.I believe they said that contact tracing (in addition to Rojas) told them it was safe to play.
Thank you for posting this.It's because the false negative rate is extremely high when performed too soon after exposure:
https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/journal-scans/2020/05/18/13/42/variation-in-false-negative-rate-of-reverse
So players that were only exposed to the the Marlins over the last 3 days, may be positive and contagious, but will test negative until they get closer to 8 days out, and there is "little diagnostic value" in the first 5 days immediately after exposure.
ALL of Singapore's hilarious and erudite puns and jokes are stolen from Twitter? That's a pretty foul accusation - his track record on SoSH is such that I'd absolutely believe he and someone else got to the same joke independently here. (I rather hope my sarcasm detector has gone awry...)This, like all your posts, was way funnier the first time I read it earlier in the day on Twitter.
View: https://twitter.com/Doug_Exeter/status/1287757879697526784
To be fair, it's a great line.If it makes people feel better, I have shamelessly stolen that line many times already.
Well, earlier we said the teams shouldn't be deciding this, so I guess we're all good with MLB making the call right?View: https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1288142815696957441?s=20
Rosenthal Tweet: " In team vote, vast majority of Nationals players voted against going to Miami for three-game series this weekend, sources tell The Athletic. Decision will rest with MLB."
Going to be very interesting if MLB says the games should go forward and most Nationals players just refuse to go. If the MLB then threatened them with discipline, ity would look so horrible. This has always been, in my mind, the real threat to the season ending - not Manfred himself making the call but rather the players informally or formally just refusing to go on with playing.View: https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1288142815696957441?s=20
Rosenthal Tweet: " In team vote, vast majority of Nationals players voted against going to Miami for three-game series this weekend, sources tell The Athletic. Decision will rest with MLB."
So in this case, we're okay with players making the decision?Going to be very interesting if MLB says the games should go forward and most Nationals players just refuse to go. If the MLB then threatened them with discipline, ity would look so horrible. This has always been, in my mind, the real threat to the season ending - not Manfred himself making the call but rather the players informally or formally just refusing to go on with playing.
I certainly don't think it's a workable solution to just leave it up to the players whether to play each game - that would obviously result in a total schedule SNAFU. I was just noting that if MLB starts levying fines or any other kind of discipline against players that don't want to play, while those players are saying "we're scared shitless right now to play in Miami," that is an obvious PR loss for the league and would probably just engender further pushback from players.So in this case, we're okay with players making the decision?
I'm not being critical towards you at all, but earlier in this thread we all thought the Marlins shouldn't be making the decision on whether or not to play, it should be the league. Now if the league makes the decision to play it "looks horrible".
What a fun situation.
I think the difference here is that the players are voicing their opinion and leaving the final call up to MLB, whereas the Marlins voted as a team and proceeded without consultation with the league.So in this case, we're okay with players making the decision?
I'm not being critical towards you at all, but earlier in this thread we all thought the Marlins shouldn't be making the decision on whether or not to play, it should be the league. Now if the league makes the decision to play it "looks horrible".
What a fun situation.
Well I think "our" assertion was that players shouldn't be making the final call that it is safe to play. However the players have always had the option to personally deem it UNsafe for them to play with the Opt Out agreement. That appears to be the calculus for the Nats players...if they are forced to go to Miami you could see mass opt outs and then the whole thing becomes a clusterf&$#. Yay!Well, earlier we said the teams shouldn't be deciding this, so I guess we're all good with MLB making the call right?