Given that he just re-signed Tavon Wilson, maybe it says his taste in DBs is horribleWhat if anything would it say about Butler-gate if he signed with Matt Patricia?
Given that he just re-signed Tavon Wilson, maybe it says his taste in DBs is horribleWhat if anything would it say about Butler-gate if he signed with Matt Patricia?
Could be. They gave him a low tender so he could easily be poached.Meredith is a RFA isn't he? He's a candidate to be signed away I think.
It’s not that bad. They didn’t give up any future 1sts.They were fleeced
They better not be targeting 1 specific guy. If he isn’t there at 3, they’re screwed. That’s the downside of the deal.That pick better hit...
Whoever they get won’t have to play this year since they signed McCown.If you are giving up that much, you better move up to the point where you are confident you are getting an NFL-ready QB.
Of course, it’s the Jets, so ...
And Teddy Bridgewater...Whoever they get won’t have to play this year since they signed McCown.
I mean they drafted Sanchize and then Geno and then Hack, what could possibly go wrongIf you are giving up that much, you better move up to the point where you are confident you are getting an NFL-ready QB.
Of course, it’s the Jets, so ...
There's no way the Jets did this to get Barkley, is there?
But the big cat on theganggreen is giddy.They were fleeced
Were they? What are the comps for moving up this close in the top of the 1st round?They were fleeced
Bears 49ers last year is somewhat close. The Bears moved up one spot to #2 overall, and they gave up a third and fourth in that draft, plus a third in the next draft.Were they? What are the comps for moving up this close in the top of the 1st round?
That’s what matters, not whether you or I would do the deal or think it’s crazy.
I know it's not 100% accurate anymore but they essentially traded:Were they? What are the comps for moving up this close in the top of the 1st round?
That’s what matters, not whether you or I would do the deal or think it’s crazy.
Well, hat tells you - he's proposing the Bucs give up a third or high second to move from 7 to 3. The Jets just gave up 3 seconds to move from 6 to 3.Here’s some recent analysis on the hypothetical cost of a trade from 7 to 3, from Tampa Bay Bucs’ perspective.
http://m.buccaneers.com/news/article-smith/The-Cost-of-a-Deal-Trade-Up-Scenarios/ae6b5880-1fbf-4c71-8b08-a86f063395fd
I know it's not 100% accurate anymore but they essentially traded:
#6 (1,600)
#37 (530)
#49 (410)
2019 2nd (420) - generously giving them middle of the round value on that
for
#3 (2,200)
So assuming they somehow end up middle of the pack next year, which is a stretch, they essentially overpaid by the equivalent of the #23 pick in the draft (760).
Considering they have two variables in front of them, as no one knows what CLE and NYG are going to do or who will be left at 3, yes, I think it's fair to say they were fleeced. Which is to say nothing of the fact that teams could still trade up in front of them and they're sitting there with the third QB available. That's a steep price.
Assuming the target is a QB, they almost had to move up though. It does give the impression that both the Colts and Jets think Allen/Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield (in some order) are all going to be taken within the top 5 picks.Unless I’m reading that article incorrectly - very possible - it tells me that the Jets overpaid by quite a lot for a move from 6 to 3.
I'm guessing you think last season will be an outlier?If it a Bortles or a Goff they get, the trade is shit. If they get a Wentz or Wilson, it’s a big win.
The entire Petty family weepsI mean they drafted Sanchize and then Geno and then Hack, what could possibly go wrong
Looks as though they wanted to get above the Browns' second pick. If Cleveland was thinking Barkley at 1, then their choice of QBs at 4. Of course, the Browns have enough draft capital to do a 4 for 2 swap with the Giants.They better not be targeting 1 specific guy. If he isn’t there at 3, they’re screwed. That’s the downside of the deal.
Your first concern should be they're the Jets.I get that these point systems have some legitimacy as a guide but I’m happy they are going for a QB if they like 3 of them. My concern is, I’m not sure they are good at evaluating QBs.
If it a Bortles or a Goff they get, the trade is shit. If they get a Wentz or Wilson, it’s a big win.
It’s a great trade for the Colts if Luck is healthy.
The coach is controlling him like it’s a video game right? Maybe that’s good enough, idk. Seems like that head coach could do that with a lot of guys but maybe not.I'm guessing you think last season will be an outlier?
Your first concern should be they're the Jets.
I get that you need to make a move, but you have a lot of needs. McCown played well last year, Fitzy played well the year before and you still were awful. It's not like inserting a QB prospect - at the cost of four other top 50 picks - is making you a contender.
All rivalry aside, while I understand you like the aggressiveness and have been aching for a QB since Namath, I think it was a bad trade. Even if they hit, it was still an overpay, if not an RG3 level. I base that in large part on the uncertainty of who will be there when their card is called - I find it hard to believe they couldn't have this cued up for draft day. If the guy they waned was there, then get into a bidding war. Don't do it in March.
The collective we want your team mired in the Kevin O’Connor, Ryan Mallet, Matt Cassel, Rohan Davey draft zip codes, to be honest. We’re Pats fans.Everything you say is valid, but end of the day I’ll take the chance on the QB and use money to solve the other problems.
Will be great to see them beef up the OL after Luck’s shoulder has been irrevocably messed up.The last time quarterbacks went 1-2-3 in the draft, it was Couch-McNabb-Smith. Barkley very possibly could prevent this from happening this year, though.
I think the Colts should be thinking the ND guard at 6
It's the circle of lifeWill be great to see them beef up the OL after Luck’s shoulder has been irrevocably messed up.
I had to Google Couch-McNabb-Smith to get which Smith it was (obv. not Alex). So, Akili Smith, who sounds like he should be a member of the Brady 6 but he wasn't. Donovan McNabb they'd be ecstatic with, but other than him, it shows what a crapshoot drafting QBs is.The last time quarterbacks went 1-2-3 in the draft, it was Couch-McNabb-Smith. Barkley very possibly could prevent this from happening this year, though.
I think the Colts should be thinking the ND guard at 6
Yes, completely. Your own cited article says as much. They gave up three second rounders to move up three slots in the 1st round. Its indicative of a woefully incompetent ownership and FO to approve that trade. Almost Browns-esque...Were they? What are the comps for moving up this close in the top of the 1st round?
That’s what matters, not whether you or I would do the deal or think it’s crazy.
Not really, the top 6 picks are below, strikethroughs indicate picks that were unlikely to be used on drafting a QB:Assuming the target is a QB, they almost had to move up though. It does give the impression that both the Colts and Jets think Allen/Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield (in some order) are all going to be taken within the top 5 picks.
That's the only explanation for this trade, which is why it is so dumb. The trade may drive the Browns to draft a QB with the top pick (since they may not be able to with the 4th anymore), so it doesn't change anything if your interest is one guy among 3 QBs.They better not be targeting 1 specific guy. If he isn’t there at 3, they’re screwed. That’s the downside of the deal.
post hoc ergo propter hoc, good buddy. It's a great trade for the colts. period.I get that these point systems have some legitimacy as a guide but I’m happy they are going for a QB if they like 3 of them. My concern is, I’m not sure they are good at evaluating QBs.
If it a Bortles or a Goff they get, the trade is shit. If they get a Wentz or Wilson, it’s a big win.
It’s a great trade for the Colts if Luck is healthy.
Turning to money to solve problems in a tight cap system usually fails to pan out.Everything you say is valid, but end of the day I’ll take the chance on the QB and use money to solve the other problems.
Well, I’m assuming Indy knows their QB situation.post hoc ergo propter hoc, good buddy. It's a great trade for the colts. period.
Turning to money to solve problems in a tight cap system usually fails to pan out.
EDIT: Wait, you think Goff is a bad QB?
The Giants are in the wrong division for GFIN mode. And Solder's a start but they still have a lot of holes to patch on both sides of the ball.My theory about this draft is that Giants are in GFIN mode and have a massive hard on for Barkley. Going to be interesting if the Browns draft Barkley. Do the Giants upset poor Eli and go with a QB at 2? That’s the smart move, but I’m not at all confident it’s their move. If I’m the Browns I tell them flat out I’m taking Barkley and see if we can scare them into a trade up.