2018 NFL Transactions & News
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Jets rescinded their offer to Suh after Chris Johnson got wind of it. Guess he doesn’t want him.
Yeah, this is going to end really well. He’s clueless if the goal is to play for a smart organization.
Are the Giants a smart organization?
Edit: not trying to be snarky. Just not sure that this latest report isn't part of the contract negotiation period, not sure that OBJ is being clueless, and not sure that the Giants as a team are even in the general area of being a good team within the next five years.
To me this is similar to the Patriots off-season with Butler last year, the primary differences being that (1) Odell is much bigger star who makes the NFL and the Giants a lot of money and (2) the Giants looked pretty disfunctional last year (that whole thing with benching Eli).
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Generally yes. They likely will find a band of idiots — all it takes is one — willing to extend him at top dollar, and if they do and they can get value, he’ll be dealt.
If I were Mara, I'd make him someone else's problem. If they are rebuilding, why do they want to pay a WR $18-$20 million per year? I do know one coach who would call his bluff and see if he wants to stay off the field during a contract year. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Patriots aren't going to pay Cooks what he wants either so they should entertain a deal. I'd start with Beckham-for-Cooks and a 3rd round pick. Then, the Pats pick up a 3rd rd comp pick for him in 2019.
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In that scenario, however, Beckham lands with a smart organization and plays on a team with legitimate Super Bowl aspirations. I think there are plenty of other teams with potential and salary cap space who could afford to take on Beckham where he, independent of money, may be better off than he is in New York (49ers, Rams, Titans (to a much lesser degree than the other two)). If he could land with one of those teams and make more money, to me, that's a win-win.
While the Giants have OBJ over a barrel, I see no reason why reports that he will sit out the season are shocking. To me, that's standard stuff for players whose fifth year option has been picked up. Further, there's nothing about playing for the Giants this year and/or signing with them long-term that seems more appealing than signing with virtually any other team in the league. As an outside observer, the only reason for optimism that I can see with that team is their high draft pick but I don't think one or two players fixes that team or makes them competitive within their division.
I think he's probably better off elsewhere.
In my scenario, he plays 1 year in a winning organization while putting up big numbers. If he doesn't have any antics, he'll be setting himself up for a big payday from one of the teams you were saying.
Now, the Giants could simply keep him and tag him. That's a distinct possibility although the non-exclusive tag number will be north of $16 million next year. The only way they trade him is if they are truly sick of his crap and want to cut the cord right away.
Another factor that may eventually mean nothing but worth noting: Newly signed Patriot Jeremy Hill played with Beckham and describes him as a best friend/brother.
Belichick also has gushed about OBJ. Here are his comments before the 2015 Giants-Pats game. He made similar comments about Randy Moss's competitiveness and toughness before that trade.
“Really quick, tough kid,” Belichick said of Beckham, per the New York Daily News. “Goes inside for the ball, very good after the catch and makes a lot of plays with the ball in his hands. He’s a hard guy to tackle. He’s got good quickness and good ability to separate. But I’d say the thing that’s impressed me the most about him is his toughness. I mean, he’s not a big guy, but he competes well. He goes inside, goes after the ball, takes a hit (and) hangs on to it. He’s a tough, competitive player and very good with the ball in his hands, not just going up and getting it. He’s got obviously a bunch of highlight catches, but when he catches the ball he can run with it and make plays with his quickness and his open field running ability.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/odell-beckham-market-heats-prospect-giant-trade-real-article-1.3896518
The article names the Rams, 49ers, Bills, and Ravens as possible destinations.
Giants likely not getting their plus, unless it’s a low first round pick as part of the equation, and none of the favorites qualify. OBJ not a make-good-in-my-last-year kind of guy. He wants security AND big money, though I suppose for face saving reasons he might take a one-year flier from a team other than the Giants. Would not bet on it though.
Is a Pats-Giants deal centered around OBJ and Gronk insane? Both transcendent offensive talents who could be looking for a change in scenery... Gronk probably a better player today and will take less money to keep happy, but also greater injury risk combined with concerns around potentially retiring in the next few years... but, if the goal is competitiveness near term the Giants wouldn’t do better from a talent perspective and a 2 TE set built around Gronk and Engram would cause a lot of matchup problems (especially if they take Barkley at 2).
On the Pats end, I can’t see them wanting to pay market rate to OBJ, but the idea of teams trying to cover Beckham, Cooks, and Jules for a season... I mean, Brady could throw 55 TDs if the offensive line kept him upright...
Deal probably never happens because I’m guessing the Giants would want Gronk+ and I’m guessing the Pats have no interest in a $16mn/year WR, but it’s entertaining to think about on both sides...
On the Pats end, I can’t see them wanting to pay market rate to OBJ, but the idea of teams trying to cover Beckham, Cooks, and Jules for a season... I mean, Brady could throw 55 TDs if the offensive line kept him upright...
Deal probably never happens because I’m guessing the Giants would want Gronk+ and I’m guessing the Pats have no interest in a $16mn/year WR, but it’s entertaining to think about on both sides...
Just screwing around at work. Looking at teams with the cap space and draft capital to trade for OBJ.
Browns - Lots of cap space, lots of draft capital, Tyrod Taylor/TBD at QB, Landry & Corey Coleman at WR. I doubt they trade for and sign two WRs to big contracts in the same off-season. That being said, they could absorb the cost it would take to get it done. Doubtful.
Colts - Lots of cap space, lots of draft capital, Luck at QB, Hilton and Grant at WR. They could absorb the cost, but they don't really need OBJ. Their GM seems to be doing things the right way, but Isray could always step in and force the issue. Doubtful.
49ers - Lots of cap space, good (not great) draft capital. Jimmy G at QB, Goodwin & ? at WR. I could see them making a trade but only if the price is right. I wouldn't expect them to give up the haul of draft picks that the Seahawks gave for Percy Harvin, and I think that's probably what the Giants want. Maybe.
Rams - Decent cap space, not the best draft capital. Goff at QB, Woods, Austin, Kupp, Reynolds at WR. I don't see the need. Doubtful.
Bears - Decent cap space, middle of the road draft capital. Trubisky at QB, Meredith and ? at WR. Maybe.
Vikings - Decent cap space, middle of the road draft capital. Cousins at QB, Diggs & Thielen at WR. I don't see the need. Doubtful.
Dolphins. Decent cap space, good draft capital. Tannehill/TBD at QB, Parker Stills & Amendola at WR. I don't see a team that just let go of two high priced players trading draft picks to acquire another high priced player. Doubtful.
Raiders. Good cap space, good draft capital. Carr at QB, Cooper & Nelson at WR. I don't see the need. Doubtful.
I suspect that Giants are going to ask for more in return for OBJ than any other team is going to be willing to give up for him. I bet he grumbles all off-season, skips optional work-outs but ultimately plays for the $8 million. Then next year, they franchise tag him and do the same song and dance for the off-season next year. Then after he leaves two years from now, the press releases way more reports of his problem behavior than they've reported on before.
Browns - Lots of cap space, lots of draft capital, Tyrod Taylor/TBD at QB, Landry & Corey Coleman at WR. I doubt they trade for and sign two WRs to big contracts in the same off-season. That being said, they could absorb the cost it would take to get it done. Doubtful.
Colts - Lots of cap space, lots of draft capital, Luck at QB, Hilton and Grant at WR. They could absorb the cost, but they don't really need OBJ. Their GM seems to be doing things the right way, but Isray could always step in and force the issue. Doubtful.
49ers - Lots of cap space, good (not great) draft capital. Jimmy G at QB, Goodwin & ? at WR. I could see them making a trade but only if the price is right. I wouldn't expect them to give up the haul of draft picks that the Seahawks gave for Percy Harvin, and I think that's probably what the Giants want. Maybe.
Rams - Decent cap space, not the best draft capital. Goff at QB, Woods, Austin, Kupp, Reynolds at WR. I don't see the need. Doubtful.
Bears - Decent cap space, middle of the road draft capital. Trubisky at QB, Meredith and ? at WR. Maybe.
Vikings - Decent cap space, middle of the road draft capital. Cousins at QB, Diggs & Thielen at WR. I don't see the need. Doubtful.
Dolphins. Decent cap space, good draft capital. Tannehill/TBD at QB, Parker Stills & Amendola at WR. I don't see a team that just let go of two high priced players trading draft picks to acquire another high priced player. Doubtful.
Raiders. Good cap space, good draft capital. Carr at QB, Cooper & Nelson at WR. I don't see the need. Doubtful.
I suspect that Giants are going to ask for more in return for OBJ than any other team is going to be willing to give up for him. I bet he grumbles all off-season, skips optional work-outs but ultimately plays for the $8 million. Then next year, they franchise tag him and do the same song and dance for the off-season next year. Then after he leaves two years from now, the press releases way more reports of his problem behavior than they've reported on before.
Former Dolphins’ DT Ndamukong Suh reached agreement with Los Angeles Rams on a one-year, $14 million deal, per source. Suh took less to go to LA.
Suh and Aaron Donald now manning LA’s front.
I don’t think there’s an interior line in football that could consistently hold up against Donald/Suh inside... heck, you could take the 2017 first team all pro interior (Norwell, Kelce, DeCastro) and Donald Suh would probably still win their fair share...
NY tabloids worth a follow on OBJ. Yesterday it was reported Giants want two firsts. Today, reported that OBJ told two Rams he wants in:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/29/report-odell-beckham-told-two-rams-players-he-wants-to-play-with-them/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/29/report-odell-beckham-told-two-rams-players-he-wants-to-play-with-them/
This was a helpful post. One possibility I'd add for the "don't see the need" teams could be packaging one of their existing WRs with lesser draft capital. Amari Cooper or Stefon Diggs or Robert Woods could be packaged up with a first -- you'd figure the Giants would want a starting-level WR to pair with Shepherd for Eli anyway.
One possibility... to save $2.75M
Other one.... Gruden hated him when he was in the booth, lots of grumblings that Gruden's dislike for his big personality played a role.
Nobody knows for sure
Well, of course, but OAK has plenty of cap space and just releases a top five punter because the new coach didn’t like his personality? That’s stupid. If we weren’t tight, I’d love to see them dump Allen and pick him up. I’m going to guess he will see more than $2.75M on the market.
I smell some kind of drunk driving, spousal abuse, etc coming down the line...
Maybe King silently knelt in protest in the locker room before coming out onto the field each game. Or pissed on an American flag. Or something in between.
King talked about retiring after last season. Maybe he was waffling and Gruden thought it best to just move on now vs having to replace their punter half way through training camp or something like that. I could buy that line of thinking, even if it involves a top 5 punter. Avoiding headaches, like having to replace a specialist,after camp or the season begins seems like good policy.
They don’t have plenty. Factoring in the coming Mack extension, they are strapped. King drew 2 15 yard penalties and called a couple fake punts on his own. Gruden likely decided he wasn’t worth the headache for a punter and the cash savings helps.
Over the cap says they have $16.5M open after the cut, with Mack already on the books for $13.85M. Even considering an extension for him, they could have kept a $2.5M punter if they wanted to. They have a ton opening up next year, albeit with a lot of holes to fill.
Edit: anyone decent is going to cost close to the same, I just doubt this was about cap space.
Edit: anyone decent is going to cost close to the same, I just doubt this was about cap space.
Agree it’s a bonus. He’s a headache of a player. And I think they are still looking to upgrade at WR so the cash may help.
Khalil Mack did not show up for offseason conditioning today. Any chance Gruden does something stupid and trades Mack??
Am I crazy to say I'd be thrilled to trade #23 and #31 AND pay Mack big dollars? Isn't he exactly the kind of athletic playmaker this team could use? Never gonna happen, but it's fun to dream...
Sounds great now but what happens when Mack wants to train with Guerrero?
If I included Gronk in the proposed deal, it wouldn't be a dream, it would be more of a sad nightmare.