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I really like Butler as a player and given the uncertainty around acquiring Hayward, its a move for the Celtics to consider. My concern is how he fits with Thomas on offense. However, to be consistent in addressing the concerns about how Horford and Boogie might be used together, I will trust in Stevens to figure out how to harmonize the two.

Also, as BSF notes, a Butler trade in isolation doesn't move the needle a ton for the Celtics given their lack of rebounding and rim protection. They should look to address that as well.
 
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smastroyin said:
Stupid question - is it worth giving up a bunch of assets now for Butler or do you take a shot at Hayward in the offseason first? Butler is better than Hayward perhaps much better? But Hayward might only cost $$$. Would Hayward plus using assets to upgrade the 4/5 end up with a better balance? I'll admit I have no really thought it through at all though.
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Bingo. Unless someone like Westbrook unexpectedly becomes available, Danny is going to keep the BKN picks and use his cap space to land the best free agent he can. Only teams like the Knicks trade top-3 picks for second-tier stars like Butler or Cousins, even if they don't have the cap flexibility that the C's do.
 
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Ed Hillel said:
IT just tweeted the eye thingy emoji, which I guess he did right before Horford signing was announced. So there's your fun reason to F5 til midnight scoop for this evening.
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Next thing you know, the Bulls will be taking Butler off the masthead of their website
 
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Nick Kaufman said:
It's somewhat strange that Boston wanted nothing to do with cousins given that Ainge is repeatedly tried to trade for him in the past. Wasn't there even a Boogie for Rondo swap that got nixed because Rondo didn't want to go to Sacramento at some point?
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Not that strange if you believe Himmelsbach:
"The Celtics, a source said, simply could not overlook all the warning signs that were associated with Cousins. The forward-center played for six coaches during his stay in Sacramento, and Celtics staffers had spoken to most of them at various times after they left that organization.

And time and again, any mention of Cousins turned ominous, the source said. Agents for other Kings players had even reached out to teams hoping to find new homes for their clients, primarily citing the difficulties that came from playing with Cousins."

The Association is a very very small world I'm sure and there aren't too many secrets with player, coach, and front office movement. I'm sure the Cs and DA and Brad have been doing their due diligence for a while now and it sounds like little has been positive.
 
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Are there any useful veteran pieces the Kings would deal away for, I don't know, the rights to Ben Pepper or something?
 
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Right, my point is that trading for Butler now costs you even the opportunity to pursue Hayward (unless you want to go super small). If you wait a few months, you gain the information of what you got in the draft and you take a shot at Hayward.

Obviously the risk is Butler goes elsewhere, you get crappy ping pong luck, and Hayward goes elsewhere. But it doesn't seem there is any smoke on Butler with other teams, so what are the chances he gets traded? But who knows.

On the latest... Please no major assets for Melo.
 
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I honestly would like to see the Celtics hang on to Crowder if they trade for Butler.

Butler has been a forward primarily this year because of Rondo and Wade. But he is certainly capable of playing the 2; he played equal time there last season. A Crowder-Butler combination can certainly handle the 2/3 defensive responsibilities and keeps enough shooting on the court to keep things respectable on the other end.

Like everyone else, I like what Brown has shown on the court but the Bulls would have many reasons to prefer him to Crowder. And I think the Celtics would have plenty of reasons for the same.
 
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Grin&MartyBarret said:
I love how people assume Ainge got off the phone with Jackson and his first call was to the kid running the Celtics Twitter account.
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Obviously not. His first call was to Isaiah, "IT! It's Danny. We've got something big in the works, post those eyes again!" His second call was to the kid running Celtics Twitter.
 
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Devizier said:
I honestly would like to see the Celtics hang on to Crowder if they trade for Butler.

Butler has been a forward primarily this year because of Rondo and Wade. But he is certainly capable of playing the 2; he played equal time there last season. A Crowder-Butler combination can certainly handle the 2/3 defensive responsibilities and keeps enough shooting on the court to keep things respectable on the other end.

Like everyone else, I like what Brown has shown on the court but the Bulls would have many reasons to prefer him to Crowder. And I think the Celtics would have plenty of reasons for the same.
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Me too, and is a big part of why they'd make a deal like that. Can play them at 2/3 in big lineups, 3/4 in small lineups. Gives them incredible flexibility.

Crowder seems like an odd guy for a team blowing it up to acquire as well. I think he's pretty much reached his ceiling, and that's a very good role player on a good team. Seems like a waste on a rebuilding one. If a team acquiring him is to flip him for young assets/picks, just take those young assets/picks from the Celtics in the first place.
 
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Eddie Jurak said:
Obviously not. His first call was to Isaiah, "IT! It's Danny. We've got something big in the works, post those eyes again!" His second call was to the kid running Celtics Twitter.
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Probably not. But players know each other. They could talk.

Like say, if the Celtics were trying to trade for Blake Griffin, and asked to talk to him to see if he'd re-sign here. He could reach out to Isaiah and ask, hey you like it there? Would I like it there? You know, if they knew each other. Or had the same agent. Which they do.
 
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mcpickl said:
Crowder seems like an odd guy for a team blowing it up to acquire as well. I think he's pretty much reached his ceiling, and that's a very good role player on a good team. Seems like a waste on a rebuilding one. If a team acquiring him is to flip him for young assets/picks, just take those young assets/picks from the Celtics in the first place.
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Crowder is under control for three years after this year, at almost no salary. I think the Bulls may want him because he gives them flexibility going forward. If they decide they want to try and rebuild by "laddering up" (try and win 40 games, then win 45, then win 50, etc...), he's a good piece to have around. If they decide they want to blow it up, then they can flip him for picks next trade deadline.
 
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bowiac said:
Crowder is under control for three years after this year, at almost no salary. I think the Bulls may want him because he gives them flexibility going forward. If they decide they want to try and rebuild by "laddering up" (try and win 40 games, then win 45, then win 50, etc...), he's a good piece to have around. If they decide they want to blow it up, then they can flip him for picks next trade deadline.
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But, if they're trading Jimmy Butler, is laddering up what they're doing?

That would signal a tear down to me.

Their top 5 guys in minutes played with Butler are Wade, Robin Lopez, Taj Gibson and Rondo. That doesn't seem like a group to add Crowder to and let's see what we've got. I'd think all four of those dudes would be gone by the summer. And their young guys don't seem to be big upside guys either.

I'd be stunned if they traded Butler, but then tried to stay competitive.
 
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Some owners just won't tolerate teardowns. This is why the Rockets never did "The Process" themselves; ownership just wouldn't allow it. I don't know for sure, but I believe the same may be true of Reinsforf and the Bulls. I can see them trading Butler, and then spending a bunch of money in free agency next year to get back to an 8-seed.
 
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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
I cannot see Ainge trading either of those picks for Anthony. I mean...wow....I hope not...
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I don't think he'd move the Nets picks for him either. But I wouldn't put it beyond this guy to bring two stars* to town within 72 hours of each other considering the assets and where this team is in terms of development.
 
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The thing about the Carmelo rumor is that he makes more sense for a team like the Clippers. Couple that with the Griffin rumors and maybe we are seeing a three team type of deal with the centerpieces being Anthony to LAC, Griffin to Boston and players & picks going from the Celtics going to both teams. NBA heads like Sprtsguy33 have already discussed this scenario and there has been some smoke about the Clippers having interest in Melo. At least I hope this is the scenario. I just don't want to have to root for Carmelo Anthony.
 
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Oh gawd ... a three-team trade involving Doc Rivers, the Celtics, Phil Jackson and Carmelo Anthony? You'd have more luck getting Kyrie Irving to orbit the Earth
 
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Apparently David Aldridge was on NBA TV and said the holdup in Butler discussions is that CHI wants a deal centered on Crowder and BKN 2017, and the Celtics won't budge on it.
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Butler has a reputation for being difficult in the clubhouse, so his BFF continues to be a sticking point. I'm not sure why Chicago keeps demanding Crowder knowing this, unless they're really not interested in trading.

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It's funny when people say that the Kings need start rebuilding. What do you call the last ten years?
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A bad horror movie with way too many sequels.
 
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What is 25 cents on the dollar for Melo? James Young and Cleveland's 2nd rounder this year?
 
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Depends on which future 1st they're asking for but that's a deal I consider as long as it's not the Nets.
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Who knows how accurate that is (I am assigning a 30% its even close) I think you have to assume its next year's Brooklyn pick. If the deal is Crowder, Bradley and that pick, does Danny do it? I think he seriously considers it.
 
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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Who knows how accurate that is (I am assigning a 30% its even close) I think you have to assume its next year's Brooklyn pick. If the deal is Crowder, Bradley and that pick, does Danny do it? I think he seriously considers it.
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I think that's way too much for a potential rental. Get Griffin signed LT and I agree that Ainge likely pulls the trigger on it.
 
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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Who knows how accurate that is (I am assigning a 30% its even close) I think you have to assume its next year's Brooklyn pick. If the deal is Crowder, Bradley and that pick, does Danny do it? I think he seriously considers it.
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We're having a comma issue here. I read that as:

1) One of Crowder, Bradley, or Smart;
2) A first round pick (mystery which).

I wouldn't move Crowder or Smart for Blake straight up, let alone include a pick. I'd do Bradley and a non-Brooklyn pick. I'd pass on including a Brooklyn pick.
 
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NEW ORLEANS — One of the biggest perks for coaching in the All-Star Game is spending quality time with some of game's best players and in some cases soon-to-be free agents.

Brad Stevens, who is both charming and cunning in a Pat Riley kind of way, seized upon that opportunity as only few have.

Stevens, according to two sources, showed a pregame video featuring all 12 Eastern Conference All-Stars as younger players up until to present day. For example, the clips of Carmelo Anthony included one of Melo in braids.

"With Danny, no one ever knows what he might do," said the executive. "He's one of the best. If he thinks he can make a run at the Cavs this season, considering all the injuries Cleveland has had, I can see him making a move.

"Everyone is talking about Butler to Boston but Danny and Larry Bird go way back. Paul George could be the sleeper."

How Anthony fits into into this is open for debate. The Celtics are not trading the Nets pick for Melo. Knicks fans need to get over that.

However, if the Celtics pass on a deal for Butler or George they may decide to take a run at Anthony, if they can steal him. The one stumbling block is that Anthony would have to waive his no-trade clause. That's remains a mystery.

Melo, though, was impressed by Stevens' pregame talk and his video presentation. That's a start.

Stevens may have been the losing coach in the All-Star Game, but he won the pregame by a landslide.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/brad-stevens-gave-celtics-all-star-win-deadline-article-1.2977696
 
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bowiac said:
We're having a comma issue here. I read that as:

1) One of Crowder, Bradley, or Smart;
2) A first round pick (mystery which).

I wouldn't move Crowder or Smart for Blake straight up, let alone include a pick. I'd do Bradley and a non-Brooklyn pick. I'd pass on including a Brooklyn pick.
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It's
1. Crowder
2. Bradley or Smart
3. PickS
They snagged it from Zach Lowe who says that asking price makes it extremely unlikely, even if they were given permission to get an agreement to sign long term.

Edit- forgot the link: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18727231/zach-lowe-jimmy-butler-boston-celtics-latest-nba-trade-deadline-talk
 
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NEW ORLEANS — One of the biggest perks for coaching in the All-Star Game is spending quality time with some of game's best players and in some cases soon-to-be free agents.

Brad Stevens, who is both charming and cunning in a Pat Riley kind of way, seized upon that opportunity as only few have.

Stevens, according to two sources, showed a pregame video featuring all 12 Eastern Conference All-Stars as younger players up until to present day. For example, the clips of Carmelo Anthony included one of Melo in braids.

"With Danny, no one ever knows what he might do," said the executive. "He's one of the best. If he thinks he can make a run at the Cavs this season, considering all the injuries Cleveland has had, I can see him making a move.

"Everyone is talking about Butler to Boston but Danny and Larry Bird go way back. Paul George could be the sleeper."

How Anthony fits into into this is open for debate. The Celtics are not trading the Nets pick for Melo. Knicks fans need to get over that.

However, if the Celtics pass on a deal for Butler or George they may decide to take a run at Anthony, if they can steal him. The one stumbling block is that Anthony would have to waive his no-trade clause. That's remains a mystery.

Melo, though, was impressed by Stevens' pregame talk and his video presentation. That's a start.

Stevens may have been the losing coach in the All-Star Game, but he won the pregame by a landslide.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/brad-stevens-gave-celtics-all-star-win-deadline-article-1.2977696
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I love Brad Stevens
 
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Sounds like the Jazz are letting it be known that Favors can be had. He's struggled with injuries this year but is still somehow only 25 years-old and is signed through next year. Might be a decent under-the-radar target.
 
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