Just wait until Diaz/McGregor III
It was close but the only time it was close to a stoppage was when Diaz was hammering McGregor in the 3rd. That was the only definite 10-8 round for me.Knew it. Second round was too close and Diaz should've come out more aggressive in the fourth. Not a horrendous decision, but one you could see coming from a mile away.
Plenty of people at 155 would give Conor fits, but provided he can make weight that left hand is too much for 98% of 145lbers.
It was close but the only time it was close to a stoppage was when Diaz was hammering McGregor in the 3rd. That was the only definite 10-8 round for me.
So you had it as close fight with the second round being the deciding factor? Seems like you watched the exact same fight as the rest of us.I don't know what you guys were watching. I had it 48-47 Mcgregor.
I had Connor winning rounds 1 2 and 4. 1 wasn't close. 2 was but Connor dominated the first 3.5 minutes before Diaz lit him up. 3 was easily Diaz and I thought McGregor was going out in the 4th but he impressed the shit out of me and won the 4th.
So you had it as close fight with the second round being the deciding factor? Seems like you watched the exact same fight as the rest of us.
Yup. Fight brought in a ton of money and the prospect of a trilogy makes the financial interests pretty obvious here. Still, not a lot of problems with that decision. I'll probably rewatch the fight tomorrow to see if my initial impressions of the second round were correct.I don't think it's egregious. Nate won, but you knew going in Connor was going to have a heavy thumb on his scale. It's like fighting a champion. You need a blowout to win a decision and Nate gave away too much.
I had it Diaz 9-10, 10-9, 10-8, 9-10, 10-9
I can definitely see people viewing round 2 the reverse
I had it the same.I had Connor winning rounds 1 2 and 4. 1 wasn't close. 2 was but Connor dominated the first 3.5 minutes before Diaz lit him up. 3 was easily Diaz and I thought McGregor was going out in the 4th but he impressed the shit out of me and won the 4th.
I was shocked that CM came out and caught a second wind. I think Diaz was too, although the flurry at the end of round 3 seemed to have taken a lot out of him at the start of 4.I actually think 47-47 was the right call, giving McGregor round 2, and Diaz a 10-8 in round 3. I was strongly rooting for Diaz, but I was very impressed that CM managed to win round 4.
So glad I demurred on that bet.I haven't watched it, but the reports are basically that I wrote the fight a could of days ago, huh?
Every once in a while, I get one on the screws.So glad I demurred on that bet.
Posted on Friday. Who in the fuck knew Dana White is an attorney who posts to the sub-forums of a Red Sox messageboard?It's drastically in the UFC's best interests (and the fighters' financial ones') for McGregor to win this. In a vacuum on a planet far away in a match ref'ed by a robot, I'd probably take Diaz because he is a noticeably naturally larger and longer guy and very skilled in his own right. But there's a whole lot of other stuff going on with this.
My style-bias is showing, but leg kicks for days, by Connor. If he does that and isn't stupid about swinging from his heels for a knockout, he can go five and win on points.
Yeah. I mean, they weren't thunderous knockdowns, but McGregor put him down twice in that round.No planet did Diaz win rd2
Yeah. I mean, they weren't thunderous knockdowns, but McGregor put him down twice in that round.
10-9, 10-9, 9-10, 10-9, 9-10. I think even Diaz knew it, too, talking about looking for a point for McGregor's running away.
Great fight. I think McGregor either hurt his foot or just gassed again at the bigger weight, because he went away from the leg kicks after the second. They did a lot of damage, though, and their job, as Diaz was checking a lot later and couldn't push the action quite as much as he probably needed to.
Finally got to watch the fight, and I agree with this. The last impression seems to sticks in people's minds when judging rounds. Conor simply dominated in the first 8.5 minutes of that fight. After the 3rd round there was a lot of clinching.I'm two rounds in with the sound off. There is no sane universe in which Diaz won the second.
He was knocked down twice early. He didn't do more damage in 90 seconds. He made up some volume.Rounds aren't judged minute-by-minute. That would be like scoring a football game by time of possession. It's common for a fighter to do more damage in :90 than his opponent did in 3:30. It's also common to do damage in the clinch, which is why the 2nd rnd significant strike count was 37-34 Diaz. He landed a lot in there. It was a close round.
The third was a good round for Diaz, but he didn't "overwhelmingly dominate," which is the criteria. It's not like McGregor had to come back from a near knock out or slip a couple of legitimately threatening submission attempts. He got hit a lot.Also, the 3rd round has to be 10-8. Judges have to differentiate between marginal rounds and dominant rounds, or else winners of marginal rounds are advantaged. I understand the hesitancy in boxing to give 10-8s because its harder to run up the score in 3 minutes, but in 5 minutes it's easier to get larger separation in strike totals and damage.
McGregor's just not strong enough to knock him out, especially at that weight, and I think he knows it. Counter lefts to score instead of maim, and then the switch to elbows at certain points tell the tale.Diaz can take his fucking punches though. He also talks like he's taken his fair share over the years.
10-9 is "close", 10-8 is "overwhelmingly dominate", 10-7 is "totally dominate". It definitely wasn't close, so judges should pick from the other two.He was knocked down twice early. He didn't do more damage in 90 seconds. He made up some volume.
The third was a good round for Diaz, but he didn't "overwhelmingly dominate," which is the criteria. It's not like McGregor had to come back from a near knock out or slip a couple of legitimately threatening submission attempts. He got hit a lot.
I disagree. As far as damage Diaz didn't do much. He threw a lot of volume, but the power shots usually missed. I didn't see CM in trouble even in the third. He won 3-2 clearly to me and did more damage.Rounds aren't judged minute-by-minute. That would be like scoring a football game by time of possession. It's common for a fighter to do more damage in :90 than his opponent did in 3:30. It's also common to do damage in the clinch, which is why the 2nd rnd significant strike count was 37-34 Diaz. He landed a lot in there. It was a close round.
Also, the 3rd round has to be 10-8. Judges have to differentiate between marginal rounds and dominant rounds, or else winners of marginal rounds are advantaged. I understand the hesitancy in boxing to give 10-8s because its harder to run up the score in 3 minutes, but in 5 minutes it's easier to get larger separation in strike totals and damage.
It wasn't overwhelming domination, so the judges should pick from the other two.10-9 is "close", 10-8 is "overwhelmingly dominate", 10-7 is "totally dominate". It definitely wasn't close, so judges should pick from the other two.
Right. Which is why I didn't say that the second should have been 10-8 or 10-7.This wasn't nearly a bad decision, there are many worse ones and they are normally due to judges lazily giving 10-9 when 10-8s are warranted.
Also, if you want to stick to criteria, knockdowns aren't in there. This ain't boxing.
He ain't the only one that gives 10-8s. And they are adjusting the criteria next year to force judges into more 10-8s and 10-7.One did
http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/7/21/12245582/abc-to-vote-on-revised-mma-judging-criteria-including-change-in-10-8The definition of a 10-8 round is also more liberal with the changes, asking judges to look at dominance, duration and impact (or damage). If a round has two of those characteristics, a 10-8 should be considered. If a round has all three of those characteristics, it must be a 10-8 round.
A March UFC fight in Australia between Hector Lombard and Neil Magny points to this. Lombard nearly finished Magny in the first round and had all three characteristics — damage, dominance and duration. He was still only given a 10-9 by the three judges. In the second round, Magny probably should have stopped Lombard with literally hundreds of unanswered punches to the head on the ground. All three of those characteristics were met easily. Referee Steve Perceval chose to let it go on and the judges only gave Magny a 10-9. Wheelock believes that should have been a 10-7 since Perceval could have — and should have — stepped in to stop it on multiple occasions.
Touche . However, close and total are fairly objective, overwhelming is more subjective.It wasn't overwhelming domination, so the judges should pick from the other two.
New Jersey dissented on the changes on grounded fighter and heel strike to kidneysGrounded fighter
A grounded fighter is defined as: Any part of the body, other than a single hand and feet touching the fighting area floor. To be grounded, both hands and feet, palm/fist down, and/or any other body part must be touching the fighting area floor. At this time, kicks or knees to the head will not be allowed.
Extended fingers
In the standing position, a fighter that moves their arm(s) toward their opponent with an open hand, fingers pointing at the opponent's face/eyes, will be a foul. Referees are to prevent this dangerous behavior by communicating clearly to fighters. Fighters are directed to close their fists or point their fingers straight in the air when reaching toward their opponent.
Female clothing
Female competitors must wear a short-sleeved (above the elbow) or sleeveless form-fitting rash guard and/or sports bra. No loose-fitting tops are allowed. Female competitors will follow the same requirements for bottom coverings as the male competitors, minus the requirement for groin protection.
***The changes also remove two fouls from the MMA Unified Rules: heel strikes to the kidneys and the grabbing of the clavicle.
Here are the other rules changes
New Jersey dissented on the changes on grounded fighter and heel strike to kidneys
Grounded fighter change means it won't include one hand down
Extended fingers means hands must be closed fist or fingers pointed up if arms are outstretched toward opponent
Female clothing rule is a no-brainer, Valerie Letourneau a few months back took a bunch of big punches because her top shifted and she covered up her chest so as to not be exposed. The ref didn't realize what was going on. She went to Reebok and got them design more tops, the new rule will push Reebok further.
My untrained eye thought the same. He kind of chased him on the ground.Rewatching the fight I'm wondering if Nate flopped a couple times in the second to see if CM would pounce on him. His balance was square and he's shaken off much bigger punches than those. Might've been bait.