What Type Of Red Sox Team Makes You Happy In The Pants?

Rasputin

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Right ... which is why I didn't take either of the two offered five year periods. It's a false choice. The best a franchise can do is to attempt to build good teams year-after-year. Which gets back to the Kimbrel trade. I don't think anyone can argue it attempts to make the 2016 Red Sox better. It may look like it hurts the Sox in the long term if those traded prospects all develop into all-stars. But that's unlikely, and it's not like the Red Sox with their financial strength may not figure out how to get other good players.

Put another way, if trades help make the Red Sox a consistently very good team and they win a world series or two along the way, it matters not if they "lose trades".
Your conclusion is my position.

But you have to judge trades using the knowledge available when the trade was made. Logan Allan may end up being a stud, but we didn't trade Logan Allan the Stud, we traded Logan Allan the guy who has maybe a 5% chance of being a stud five years from now.

I just wanna win, and with a little luck, this team is going to be the best team in the AL and we're going to have a tremendously fun summer and fall and we haven't had that since 2013 so we're due.
 

themactavish

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As a personal (non-technical) anecdote, I grew up as a Sox fan in New York City, coming of baseball age in the 1970s. I confess that I loved watching a team like the 1977 Sox with all that power: Rice, 39 homers; Scott, 33 homers; Hobson, 30 homers; Yastrzemski, 28 homers; Fisk, 26 homers; Lynn, 18 homers; Carbo,15 homers; Evans, 14 homers (when you add it up, 203 from this crew). It was an adolescent boy's dream come true: pure power. There was a lot to love. I loved Tiant, but of course, the Sox didn't have great pitching in those days (though I loved Lee too). When Clemens came along, his sheer dominance started to shift me toward a greater preference toward pitching (I had also been pitching myself in high school and college, so no doubt this affected me). But once Pedro Martinez came on board, as much as I had adored those Sox teams that could pummel foes into utter insensibility, watching him pitch was pure magic. Oh, now and again I could still return to my adolescent ways. I delighted in Ramirez, Drew, Lowell, and Varitek going deep in order against the Yankees in 2007. But when I think of a Sox dream Sox team, I think of a team with pitching that can be lights-out, if not across the board, then with someone as close to Pedro Martinez as you can get (which you can't, really).
 

chrisfont9

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Here's a silly thought experiment: If you could guarantee one of the following outcomes for the 2016 Sox, which would you choose:

Option A: Win 115+ games, but go cold in the postseason and fail to win the world series (ie, the 2001 Mariners)
Option B: Finish barely over .500, but squeak into the playoffs, go on a tear, and win the world series (ie, the 2006 Cardinals)
B for me. And not because I want hardware or parades, but because postseason baseball is sport at its absolute best, and nothing is more exciting than seeing my team involved in it. I've re-watched 2013 a couple dozen times -- mostly the ALCS -- remembering hanging on every pitch, knowing that a single mistake on either side could swing everything. There is nothing (in sports), not the Super Bowl or the World Cup or any other event, that I love as much as postseason baseball. I love regular season games too but IMHO there's a big difference when the intensity goes up.
 

snowmanny

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Your conclusion is my position.

But you have to judge trades using the knowledge available when the trade was made. Logan Allan may end up being a stud, but we didn't trade Logan Allan the Stud, we traded Logan Allan the guy who has maybe a 5% chance of being a stud five years from now.
That's hard to do. People routinely say the Hanley and Sanchez trade to the Marlins was a good trade because Beckett had a great 2007 (edit: season and) post-season and Lowell suddenly improved.
 

YTF

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To the original question, this is the sort of team that makes me happy in my pants... A team that coming out of spring training I can say, "Yes this team looks as though it can compete for the pennant." A team that that looks to present a solid and balanced lineup, a deep pitching staff and reserves that accept their roles and excel when called upon. A group of guys that are unified on and off the field, play their asses off and never give up. Give me a manager and coaching staff who are all pulling in the same direction, leaders that the team will gladly follow. Ownership that hires good baseball people and lets them do the job that they are paid to do. Barring numerous injuries this sort of team finds ways to win. They win "the games that they should win" and battle back to win games that otherwise looks like they may have or "should have" lost. Give me this sort of team and the winning takes care of itself. This sort of team doesn't finish last in the division 3 out of 4 years. This sort of team will have purpose as September winds down and October begins. This sort of team makes me happy in the pants and if they are the last team standing come November then my pants will feel extremely satisfied.
 

terrisus

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A team with Pedro Martinez on it.

Barring that, a team with a reasonable facsimile of Pedro Martinez on it.
(Of course, there are no reasonable facsimiles of Pedro Martinez :( )

That said, a team with very strong starting pitching in general.
I would love for them to sign/trade for a whole bunch of Ace-level pitchers, even if it meant a big drop-off in the offense.
I would have loved Price, Greinke, Cueto, and Iwakuma out of this off-season.

I also don't really mind trades that "mortgage the future," since I figure I won't be here for too much of that anyway.
Call me selfish, but betting on prospects and worrying about the team 10-15 years from now, when I wouldn't even bet on myself 10-15 years from now... I'm fine with going for it.