No. Pepparidge Fahm Remembahs.Pepperidge Farm cares!
But they don't give a shit.
No. Pepparidge Fahm Remembahs.Pepperidge Farm cares!
Because tolerance.When you affiliate yourself with a group like Focus on Family, you're going to get this sort of backlash from a not small number of people.
Squirrel!Tebow is arguably the greatest college football player ever and won most of his fans as a college player while playing in the Bible belt. What's the racism angle?
That article has left me deeply conflicted, as I hate agreeing with Buck. But he's right.If it pisses off Buck Showalter, than I am now fully on board the Tebow train.
Don't thousands of HS Juniors hit .484? I don't think that tells us anything.Squirrel!
Back on topic, I saw an article that said he hit .484 as a HS junior and then gave up to play football. Will be interesting. I wonder if he'd be willing to play independent leagues for a year.
It tells us that he didn't hit .234, in which case this story, deemed preposterous by nearly everyone, would move into the ludicrous category. It says that at a minimum he was once positioned like many others before him. Sure, the vast majority of them didn't make it. But there might be something about Heisman-like talent - you know, like the others didn't have - that might suggest some tangible difference. Who the f**k knows whether that translates into something else for him. Let the story develop as it will. I say more power to him for trying.Don't thousands of HS Juniors hit .484? I don't think that tells us anything.
Every year the St Paul Saints have an Atheist Day where they call themselves the Saint Paul Aints.I can easily see the St Paul Saints giving him some playing time if he's serious about this. I attended a game there a couple of weeks ago; to say they're all about entertainment is putting things mildly.
mauidano said better what I intended. I'm neither a Tebow fan nor critic and had thought the discussion could have - at least momentarily - given the appearance of looking at the pros/cons/likelihood of success, etc. of Tebow's effort, and not immediately turn into the shit show of drive by comments.
Well, which is it? Should we talk about his likelihood of success, or should we let the story develop as it will? Look, despite your protestations to the contrary, it's pretty clear you have a soft spot for the guy, and there's nothing wrong with that. But when the national media makes a major story about the efforts of a 30 year-old who hasn't played baseball since high school, you can't demand that we either say something nice or nothing at all. It really doesn't matter whether "we would give it a shot, too." We're not being humored/fellated by the national media, and Timmy's a big boy.It tells us that he didn't hit .234, in which case this story, deemed preposterous by nearly everyone, would move into the ludicrous category. It says that at a minimum he was once positioned like many others before him. Sure, the vast majority of them didn't make it. But there might be something about Heisman-like talent - you know, like the others didn't have - that might suggest some tangible difference. Who the f**k knows whether that translates into something else for him. Let the story develop as it will. I say more power to him for trying.
Right, so he has a 1:100000 chance instead of a 1:100000000000. Great.It tells us that he didn't hit .234, in which case this story, deemed preposterous by nearly everyone, would move into the ludicrous category. It says that at a minimum he was once positioned like many others before him. Sure, the vast majority of them didn't make it. But there might be something about Heisman-like talent - you know, like the others didn't have - that might suggest some tangible difference. Who the f**k knows whether that translates into something else for him. Let the story develop as it will. I say more power to him for trying.
His Heisman-like talent hasn't helped him be any good at all of the other things he's tried, athletic or otherwise since he left a completely stacked college program designed to make his position look good. So no, I don't think it will help him hit a curve-ball.It tells us that he didn't hit .234, in which case this story, deemed preposterous by nearly everyone, would move into the ludicrous category. It says that at a minimum he was once positioned like many others before him. Sure, the vast majority of them didn't make it. But there might be something about Heisman-like talent - you know, like the others didn't have - that might suggest some tangible difference. Who the f**k knows whether that translates into something else for him. Let the story develop as it will. I say more power to him for trying.
If only he started praying to Jobu instead.So no, I don't think it will help him hit a curve-ball.
Guilty. A soft 3. But I think that softness is based more on respect of his perseverance than being a fan or critic. Maybe a distinction without a difference.Well, which is it? Look, despite your protestations to the contrary, it's pretty clear you have a soft spot for the guy, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, they're comparable, except that this kid is 26 and has been playing baseball in college and the minors since 2011, and Tebow is 29, and hasn't played since high school.Here's a good current day comparable for Tebow...Eddy Alvarez in the White Sox system; Successful athlete from another sport working his was through the minors - albeit with the luxury of not being the center of a circus like Tebow will.
The night this article was published, Alvarez went 5 for 5 for AA Birmingham. The next day (today) he got promoted to AAA Charlotte.
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2655329-olympic-speedskating-silver-medalist-eddy-alvarez-now-making-mlb-push
Without knowing it, I think you've touched on the reason that most are scornful of Tebow. His story - at least as it relates to baseball - is the opposite of perseverance. It's about hyperbole in service of profit through a joint venture (real or symbolic) with Disney/ESPN.Guilty. A soft 3. But I think that softness is based more on respect of his perseverance than being a fan or critic. Maybe a distinction without a difference.
And in general response to other posters, there is no way I am arguing that the road ahead of him is anything but near-impossible. My main point earlier on was that I wished him the best for trying.
I can't wait to see the part of the movie where Tebow gets cut from Patriots training camp after looking completely incompetent in two exhibition games. What drama. How uplifting.Without knowing it, I think you've touched on the reason that most are scornful of Tebow. His story - at least as it relates to baseball - is the opposite of perseverance. It's about hyperbole in service of profit through a joint venture (real or symbolic) with Disney/ESPN.
This isn't Daniel Nava overcoming the odds by playing in the Independant League because no one will give him a shot. This is a man who announced his career change through a targeted, coordinated press release from his agency (CAA) through his erstwhile employer (ESPN) complete with video of his "secret" workouts. And conveniently timed to align with the launch of a book coming out this fall and the addition of signed baseball memorabilia to his website. (Bats for $175; baseballs for $125.)
I have no particular dislike of Tim Tebow. He was a great college football player and I openly rooted for him to succeed in the pros. But this is nothing more than a publicity stunt to promote the Tebow brand and add flavor/interest to the inevitable Disney movie. (Look for it in the summer/fall of 2018.)
I'll have to admit that I've followed the story only to a millimeter of the depth to which you've laid out, so my perspective seems to have been one built on ignorance. Thanks for the details. With this new information, I can put my interest in the story to bed.Without knowing it, I think you've touched on the reason that most are scornful of Tebow. His story - at least as it relates to baseball - is the opposite of perseverance. It's about hyperbole in service of profit through a joint venture (real or symbolic) with Disney/ESPN.
This isn't Daniel Nava overcoming the odds by playing in the Independant League because no one will give him a shot. This is a man who announced his career change through a targeted, coordinated press release from his agency (CAA) through his erstwhile employer (ESPN) complete with video of his "secret" workouts. And conveniently timed to align with the launch of a book coming out this fall and the addition of signed baseball memorabilia to his website. (Bats for $175; baseballs for $125.)
I have no particular dislike of Tim Tebow. He was a great college football player and I openly rooted for him to succeed in the pros. But this is nothing more than a publicity stunt to promote the Tebow brand and add flavor/interest to the inevitable Disney movie. (Look for it in the summer/fall of 2018.)
I think that's what I was getting at with the Eddy Alvarez comparison. Alvarez quietly signed after the 2014 draft and went off to instructional league, generating a story or two out of novelty but really just being a rank and file minor leaguer. No signing bonus, no website, no TV movie, no memorabilia. No matter the decorations, eventually Tebow has to do the part where you hit, catch and throw like Alvarez did.This is a man who announced his career change through a targeted, coordinated press release from his agency (CAA) through his erstwhile employer (ESPN) complete with video of his "secret" workouts. And conveniently timed to align with the launch of a book coming out this fall and the addition of signed baseball memorabilia to his website. (Bats for $175; baseballs for $125.)
“@PeteAbe: Dave Dombrowski says the #RedSox will send a scout to watch Tim Tebow’s workout.”
I assume every team will send at least one scout.
You think it would be a PR problem to not waste your time on a Tim Tebow workout?It's in LA I think. Costs pretty much zero to attend - for that it's fends off the "why didn't you go" PR problem.
Like say, the team that owns the one in Salem, VA?It's free...why not do it anyway? Just in case...
Maybe it's not a big deal for Boston, but it will be for Atlanta, Florida, Tampa etc.
That and anyone with a minor league affiliate in the south needs to at least have a look - double if the MLB team actually owns one or more of their MiLB affiliates.
First place, bay-bee!I can easily see the St Paul Saints giving him some playing time if he's serious about this. I attended a game there a couple of weeks ago; to say they're all about entertainment is putting things mildly.
It's a scale of 80. In other words, he's fucked. I'm sure there are plenty of people on this board who could manage a 35 grade on the hit tool. But none of them would get a free audition in front of pro scouts.What do those numbers mean? Good, bad, middling? Scale of 100?
Half the guys in A-ball are roster filler who are unlikely to ever see AA, let alone the big leagues. Tebow would more likely "clog the pipeline" for one of them than anyone with MLB potential. No harm there, really, at least from the perspective of the big league club.I am more thinking indy ball. In A ball he clogs the pipeline...(but also sells tickets, so you balance that).
It's a shame there's no "scramble" tool in baseball.Jim Bowden ESPN Senior Writer
Early consensus from scouts evaluating Tebow's baseball tools at work out: 55 Run 40 Arm 40 FLD 35 Hit 55 Power full report on Baseball Tonight 10pm et 7pm pac ESPN
It's pretty damning that as a left-handed thrower trying to finagle his way into a baseball career that he wasn't even thinking of pitching.
How was he a D1 QB with an arm like that...