The Nation's Tears: Volume II

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Pretty sure they accused the Patriots of filming their walkthroughs as the Patriots "seemed to know their routes" on some new plays. There was also lots of whining over how they got held and hit during the SB game.
And to top off the ridiculousness of that excuse, according to Warner, the Rams practiced their red zone offense in their walk through. The one that was supposedly filmed in nefarious fashion giving the Patriots the cheating edge for their eeeeevil victory.

But the Rams got in the red zone once in that entire game. And they scored a touchdown. So, even within the framework of accepting that allegation as true, it got the Patriots . . nothing.
 

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Right, I figured it wasn't a real serious post. He's a Jets fan, so his life is already hell. Add to that the No Man's Sky kerfuffle he got into, and his life's pretty rough these days.
 

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I remember a few distinct phases from a highly subjective PoV in NYC/NJ--After beating the Rams, the Pats were gritty, scrappy underdogs, coached by a near-genius who took a middling team with a boy-band cute QB all the way. The book on Brady, as late as the 2003 playoffs, was that he was cool under fire but was never asked to do much beyond what BB and Charlie Weis carefully laid out for him--"He's a system QB!" It wasn't until the 2004 team was dominating that many people outside NE and/or who hadn't been watching very closely recognized that something special was happening--and that Brady was a huge part of it.

Following 39, I think they were seen as a highly respected dynasty. I also recall this as the period when the 'TB or Peyton' debate began in earnest--Brady had the rings, the perfect playoff record, and an emerging rep as the best big-game QB since Joe Montana while Manning had the passing stats and a rep as a brilliant regular season player who wilted in the playoffs, especially against New England. Some of this began to shift after the Pats lost to Denver in 2005 before really getting interesting after the flu-immersed loss to Manning's Colts in the 2006 AFCCG. That loss, however, also had the curious effect of galvanizing the pro-Brady camp, who began to argue that Brady accomplished much of what Manning had with vastly inferior talent at the skill positions, Corey Dillon and, to a lesser extent, Troy Brown notwithstanding.

Then came Spygate and the revenge-for-Spygate dominance of 2007 followed by the crushing loss in 42, Brady's lost season, two consecutive playoff humiliations in 2009 and 2010 and another heart-breaker against the NYG. I remember a lot of nonsense about how the Pats couldn't win without cheating in those years--as if the majority of 2007 wasn't played after Spygate. But from then until they beat Seattle in SB 49, I think most saw them as a consistently very good, occasionally great franchise while a few idiots muttered things about video cameras and taped walk-throughs. I think that's pretty much how it stands now--except the very good/great balance has shifted--the Pats are seen as a great team that every few seasons manages to be 'merely' very good. The pinheads who bleat, "Cheatriots" have been thoroughly marginalized, it seems to me.
From where I sit, you're pretty much spot on until the last sentence. I feel like there's still a strong current in the mindset of most non NEP NFL fans that the Pats are cheaters. Jealousy blinds them from the ability to have rational thoughts.
 

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Hate him being on the cover due to the curse.

Love him having a GOAT edition though. That has to sting fans of the Colts, 9ers and Broncos.
 

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I do not take credit for this. It was posted in that Deadspin article.

LMAO. I had forgotten about this picture.

 

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Brady is such a fascinating celebrity. He's marketing gold to Under Armour, EA, and the NFL (with jersey sales) while simultaneously being near the top of the most hated player lists by fans of other teams. He's the most polarizing celebrity in modern professional sports.


If he didn't move products, execs wouldn't be pushing him. And I don't think Pats fans (despite have a ton of naturally expected bandwagon fans) have taken over the football consumer universe.
 

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Brady is such a fascinating celebrity. He's marketing gold to Under Armour, EA, and the NFL (with jersey sales) while simultaneously being near the top of the most hated player lists by fans of other teams. He's the most polarizing celebrity in modern professional sports.


If he didn't move products, execs wouldn't be pushing him. And I don't think Pats fans (despite have a ton of naturally expected bandwagon fans) have taken over the football consumer universe.
That isn't something that is unique to Brady though, all those same things could be said about LeBron James.
 

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That isn't something that is unique to Brady though, all those same things could be said about LeBron James.
Good point, but there's a very different underlying dynamic behind the polarizing effects and hatred by non-fans. LeBron was always supposed to be good and he just attracts the criticizers of someone adorned "The King" before or ever if he really deserves it. That debate rolls on.

The problem for Brady is that he's living a life the sports world never predicted, so the natural thing to do is look for a better explanation other than being good at his craft. A guy who looks like that in his combine photo being this successful? Can't be real. Brady was never supposed to be good. That's his fundamental issue to the non-Pats fan sporting audience. Peyton could have won 10 consecutive Super Bowls and that audience wouldn't blink an eye because he's supposed to be good.
 

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Good point, but there's a very different underlying dynamic behind the polarizing effects and hatred by non-fans. LeBron was always supposed to be good and he just attracts the criticizers of someone adorned "The King" before or ever if he really deserves it. That debate rolls on.

The problem for Brady is that he's living a life the sports world never predicted, so the natural thing to do is look for a better explanation other than being good at his craft. A guy who looks like that in his combine photo being this successful? Can't be real. Brady was never supposed to be good. That's his fundamental issue to the non-Pats fan sporting audience. Peyton could have won 10 consecutive Super Bowls and that audience wouldn't blink an eye because he's supposed to be good.
Lebron attracts it because he's a giant d-bag. I really want to like Lebron, he's a fantastic player and I really don't blame him for being a d-bag since he was pampered since he was 9. It's not just The Decision either. I don't believe I've ever heard Tom Brady call himself in the third person, explain after big games on how great he is and then when asked if he can get any better answer with things like I've been the best since I was 16.

Comparing Brady to Lebron isn't even in the same league. Brady is a pretty boy with a great life who's also the greatest of all time (or 2nd at best). Until deflategate, there was almost nothing to hate about him outside of a bit of whining on the field and that he wins constantly.
 

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Lebron attracts it because he's a giant d-bag. I really want to like Lebron, he's a fantastic player and I really don't blame him for being a d-bag since he was pampered since he was 9. It's not just The Decision either. I don't believe I've ever heard Tom Brady call himself in the third person, explain after big games on how great he is and then when asked if he can get any better answer with things like I've been the best since I was 16.

Comparing Brady to Lebron isn't even in the same league. Brady is a pretty boy with a great life.

I'm not at all, and explained pretty well. To me, Tom Brady's unexpected life is the distillation for the hatred for him. The cheating concerns and everything all starts with this. I stopped caring a while ago, but it's sad that it took another 2 championship wins for people to finally quiet down a bit and start to give up. Because they were great even when they weren't winning it all. And Brady, bless his heart, still kept his cool knowing what was at stake in the Seattle Superbowl.
 

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PS. Brady claims he can't be the Pats on Madden because his son takes them. I wish the reporter asked him which team he takes. Could be the 9ers, definitely not the Jets. But it would be hilarious if he played against his son and chose like, the Titans and Mariota.


Edit: Just read he picks the Packers or Seahawks. Lame.
 
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He likes the Packers offense and the Seattle Defense.... why lame?
I'm sensing some sweet Kellerman hot takes about how Brady only lets his kid play as the Pats because he wants to play as Aaron Rodgers so he can feel what's it's like to play football at so high a level.
 

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Brady is such a fascinating celebrity. He's marketing gold to Under Armour, EA, and the NFL (with jersey sales) while simultaneously being near the top of the most hated player lists by fans of other teams. He's the most polarizing celebrity in modern professional sports.


If he didn't move products, execs wouldn't be pushing him. And I don't think Pats fans (despite have a ton of naturally expected bandwagon fans) have taken over the football consumer universe.
Brady is not even close to being the most polarizing celebrity in modern professional sports. As said, LeBron is more polarizing. So are ARod and, a little earlier, Barry Bonds. Heck so is Bryce Harper for that matter.
 

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Brady is not even close to being the most polarizing celebrity in modern professional sports. As said, LeBron is more polarizing. So are ARod and, a little earlier, Barry Bonds. Heck so is Bryce Harper for that matter.
Bryce Harper is not as polarizing as Brady. Not even close. That's a comical comment.
 

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Bryce Harper is not as polarizing as Brady. Not even close. That's a comical comment.
Especially now that he's finished.

Folks who believe that Brady isn't polarizing haven't spent enough time among football fans of other teams. Here's just one exmpale in a poll from this year:
To get an idea of the extent to which Tom Brady is a lightning rod, he won our poll on who people's favorite Quarterback in the league is...and he also won- with even more 'support' - our poll on who people's least favorite Quarterback in the league is.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_13017.pdf
 

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Victimhood has now been raised to a sacrament here. Brady is not very polarizing. People are envious of him, his winning, his wife and his seemingly perfect life. But they really do not hate him, and in a candid moment would freely admit they would want their son to be just like him.

He is much more Jeter than anyone else mentioned above.
 

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Victimhood has now been raised to a sacrament here. Brady is not very polarizing. People are envious of him, his winning, his wife and his seemingly perfect life. But they really do not hate him, and in a candid moment would freely admit they would want their son to be just like him.

He is much more Jeter than anyone else mentioned above.
Same mobility too.
 

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Bryce Harper is not as polarizing as Brady. Not even close. That's a comical comment.
I don't even know who Bryce Harper is.
Brady is a known entity to people who do not care one lick about sports.
(Agreeing with you here)

Victimhood has now been raised to a sacrament here. Brady is not very polarizing. People are envious of him, his winning, his wife and his seemingly perfect life. But they really do not hate him, and in a candid moment would freely admit they would want their son to be just like him.

He is much more Jeter than anyone else mentioned above.
Eh. Jeter's an asshole. Very good but overrated, a jerk towards women, kinda disdainful it always seemed to me, etc. he was easy to dislike.

Brady doesn't seem to actually be an asshole. He has generally treated women with respect (yeah he broke up with what's her name who turned out to be pregnant, but there was no gift basket involved), genuinely appreciates the fans, etc. And he's definitely not overrated. But people WANT to hate him, because he has it too good.

I don't know who he is, but he's not Jeter.
 

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I don't even know who Bryce Harper is.
Brady is a known entity to people who do not care one lick about sports.
(Agreeing with you here)



Eh. Jeter's an asshole. Very good but overrated, a jerk towards women, kinda disdainful it always seemed to me, etc. he was easy to dislike.

Brady doesn't seem to actually be an asshole. He has generally treated women with respect (yeah he broke up with what's her name who turned out to be pregnant, but there was no gift basket involved), genuinely appreciates the fans, etc. And he's definitely not overrated. But people WANT to hate him, because he has it too good.

I don't know who he is, but he's not Jeter.
What evidence is there that he is a Jerk to women? I mean, he gave a lot of them an STD, but the whole gift basket thing wasn't a jerk move. It's weird but I'd say it was not done out of malice at all.

And I don't believe you don't know who Bryce Harper is.
 

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Victimhood has now been raised to a sacrament here. Brady is not very polarizing. People are envious of him, his winning, his wife and his seemingly perfect life. But they really do not hate him, and in a candid moment would freely admit they would want their son to be just like him.

He is much more Jeter than anyone else mentioned above.
Thank you, I agree 100%.

Cam Newton is another celebrity athlete much more polarizing than Brady.

The original comment was that Brady is the most polarizing celebrity in modern professional sports. The most. Not that he is polarizing. It's laughable.
 

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Victimhood has now been raised to a sacrament here. Brady is not very polarizing. People are envious of him, his winning, his wife and his seemingly perfect life. But they really do not hate him, and in a candid moment would freely admit they would want their son to be just like him.

He is much more Jeter than anyone else mentioned above.
Now who's naive, Kay?

I would submit that a large majority of his haters do so for what they would call noble reasons. He's a cheating cheater who cheats. There's nothing to be jealous of if all his accomplishments have asterisks.
 

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I'm sensing some sweet Kellerman hot takes about how Brady only lets his kid play as the Pats because he wants to play as Aaron Rodgers so he can feel what's it's like to play football at so high a level.
So it's you who believes your playing whatever at a high level when you play video games? When you play one of those block busting games do you believe your a high level demolition man?
 

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Now who's naive, Kay?

I would submit that a large majority of his haters do so for what they would call noble reasons. He's a cheating cheater who cheats. There's nothing to be jealous of if all his accomplishments have asterisks.
And people -- at these prices, parents -- shell out $100+ to have the name of a cheating cheater who cheats on their backs?

https://www.nflpa.com/players/news/tom-brady-regains-top-spot-on-nflpa-top-50-player-list

Speaking of greatness, we have a bunch of Michael Jordans here -- People who, if they do not have a legitimate grievance, will get about the business of manufacturing one. Not for competitive reasons, though -- but because it's so much fun to walk around pissed off all the time.
 

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Thank you, I agree 100%.

Cam Newton is another celebrity athlete much more polarizing than Brady.

The original comment was that Brady is the most polarizing celebrity in modern professional sports. The most. Not that he is polarizing. It's laughable.
I don't think non-football fans know who Newton is, but most know who Brady is and all about Deflategate (at least what was reported in the general media). I might have agreed with your point if you had thrown up Kaepernick instead of Newton though.
 
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Thank you, I agree 100%.

Cam Newton is another celebrity athlete much more polarizing than Brady.

The original comment was that Brady is the most polarizing celebrity in modern professional sports. The most. Not that he is polarizing. It's laughable.
Have you ever left New England?

Tom Brady is absolutely reviled where I am.
 

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Brady is hated by the sort of casual fan that has never heard of Cam Newton or even Colin K. He is easily one of the most polarizing players in sports. The fact that he's sold a lot of jersies is sort of the point: you can't be polarizing unless you're really popular with a lot of people too.
 

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Get a life fellas. Really. He is regarded as a God in the District of Columbia.
 

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The fact that whether Tom Brady is polarizing is such a polarizing topic seems to suggest he's quite polarizing.
 

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Get a life fellas. Really. He is regarded as a God in the District of Columbia.
Things must have really changed since I moved out of there five or six years ago. Maybe the two SBs helped, but it was also before DFG, which must have hurt. I left in midseason 2011 and basically any time I wore my shirt to a bar, I got shit about it from strangers.

If its true, good to hear. I doubt it though, at least in the general populace. In your subset, it very well may be true and hopefully so. Meanwhile, I still get shit on FB from friends in D.C. and it got bad during DFG. And it's not good natured ribbing.

I will concede that even some rivals have begun to concede after SB LI. Shit, I even had one huge Giants fan that spent most of the first 3 quarters texting me trash talk about him congratulate me and praise him by end of game.

He might not be "most" polarizing, but he's up there.

Edit: I shouldn't say 'might not be' there, as I don't think he is 'most polarizing'. I would have to give that mantle to Tiger Woods and then possibly/probably Kobe before I'd even consider Brady on a ranking list. We as Red Sox fans despised ARod, but I don't think nationwide it was nearly to our level. I'd throw Vick in a top five, as well. And does anyone like Bonds outside of SF?
 
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Things must have really changed since I moved out of there five or six years ago. Maybe the two SBs helped, but it was also before DFG, which must have hurt. I left in midseason 2011 and basically any time I wore my shirt to a bar, I got shit about it from strangers.
Pre-DFG the shit from strangers was mostly followed up with "I hate Belichick, but Brady's okay". Post DFG that's a little less true, though Belichick still draws the majority of the ire.
 

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Get a life fellas. Really. He is regarded as a God in the District of Columbia.
Without going full V&N, the Brady/BB/Kraft-Trump relationships have added an element to Pats hate that didn't exist before.
 
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