El Retorno del Guapo includes a nice nod to Return of the Mack.El Guapo Nuevo
Yeah, now that I think about it, I think you're right. But it'd drive me crazy. Pants should break once on the shoe!I notice this too, but dress pants and even khakis in an office setting are being worn a bit shorter these days by the younger set.
I mean, look at Brady and Marino. Lousy runners, both of them, but they could step away from the rush.I know he’s not a runner. They won’t be calling any plays for him to run the ball. But I’ve seen enough highlights of him avoiding the rush and getting 8-10 yards. They don’t need him to do any more than that on the ground.
Agreeing with your post...Possible. Generally though Bad Cam was ugly, but he had some floor because he didn't turn it over that much and he could run. The issue with rookie QBs a lot of the time is that they just turn it over and take negative plays way too much.
Say the last 4 games of last year, Cam's worst stretch... he took an awful 12 sacks... but he didn't have a single turnover. Then take someone like Tua, a pretty good high pedigree rookie.. he took 10 sacks and turned it over 5 times in his last 4 games, or looking at the mid-round picks in 2019...
Jones... 38 sacks 32 TOs in 12 starts
Haskins- 23 sacks 13 TOs in 7 starts
Josh Allen rookie year.. 28 sacks 20 TOs in 11 starts.
A couple of posts in here with film break down make reference to MJ looking off the defenders before hitting the receivers, or 'looking them open' - perhaps 'more open'. The reverse is obviously true, a QB that gives a play away with his eyes, where he's facing, etc. If they have the same quality of receivers it's not unreasonable to me that one QB might a couple of times a game get his receiver further open than another QB. Whether that kind of skill plays immediately on the next level is a different question, right?Something about this stat example really confuses me:
According to this, Burrow averaged 13 "tight window" attempted throws per game in 2019, whereas Mac Jones only averaged 6 per game in 2020. The question to me is why Burrow faced more than 2x the number of tight window throws per game that Jones did. I mean, it's not like Burrow was throwing to a group of less talented receivers in Jefferson, Chase and Edwards-Helaire, all of whom were first round NFL picks. Terrace Marshall Jr will probably get his name called today as well. That's a really skilled group of pass-catchers and it seems like a stretch to say that they were twice as likely to struggle to get as "wide open" as Smith, Waddle, Metchie and Harris.
Is it possible that Jones is better than Burrow at finding open receivers?
It's quite windy in that photo, look at the table skirts, and the material tension against his legs. No wind, his pants are an inch or so lower, and you are happy. This might be the best film work I've done in weeks, glad to be of service.Would like to see those dress pants an inch or so longer.
Reading up on Bama QB Mac Jones, fascinating background. As a scout team QB in one prax he kept throwing TD bombs against the 1st team D. Saban told him to cut it out. His response? “ Tell your defense to stop it”
Nice hypothesis, but I'm not buying it. The Krafts are subjected to the same wind and they don't have any issue. We'll have to agree to disagree.It's quite windy in that photo, look at the table skirts, and the material tension against his legs. No wind, his pants are an inch or so lower, and you are happy. This might be the best film work I've done in weeks, glad to be of service.
I'm the last 1 to defend Mac as it relates to anything...Nice hypothesis, but I'm not buying it. The Krafts are subjected to the same wind and they don't have any issue. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Brissett?Dumb question - who is the most athletic QB Belichick has drafted with the Patriots for the purposes of having them be a QB?
Kevin O'Connell?
4.94 40Brissett?
Zac Robinson.Dumb question - who is the most athletic QB Belichick has drafted with the Patriots for the purposes of having them be a QB?
Kevin O'Connell?
True and true. I think Jones is what we normally expect from a QB that runs a 4.8 40. Mahomes and Tebow are the freaks because of their strength (especially their leg power), willingness to run, and their ability to change directions.I agree with the substance but might quibble with the phrasing. Mahomes and Tebow are in my book elite athletes regardless of their 40s--the combination of speed quickness balance change of direction ability, power, flexibility makes them elite even if the speed isn't outlandish.
Little reason to think Jones is an elite athlete in the same way.
His masseuses don't agree.Would like to see those dress pants an inch or so lower.
Yeah, fail across the board there (although I'm inclined to give the near octogenarian -- no relation to Berj Najarian -- a free pass).I'm the last 1 to defend Mac as it relates to anything...
But BKraft is wearing jeans & JKraft's pants are clearly too big.
I have a bigger issue with the crooked tie & brown shoes.
Not bad. 4.71 40, 7.86 RAS. Made it on the roster all the way to September 4th...Zac Robinson.
4.7 ish 40, was a real running threat in college
Brissett did have 83yds rushing in 3gms his rookie season in NE and followed that up with 260yds rushing in 2017 for IND. Perhaps he just didn't test well at the combine but he definitely wasn't unathletic for a QB. Jimmy G by comparison has 140yds rushing for his career.4.94 40
4.53 RAS
Extremely unathletic. People just think otherwise cuz reasons.
Yeah, I was just explaining why his pants were unaffected by the wind. It's not a bad look, & I like the shoes.Yeah, fail across the board there (although I'm inclined to give the near octogenarian -- no relation to Berj Najarian -- a free pass).
Let's hope they draft better dressers in rounds 2-7!
Because he could run faster than Brady... I get it, low bar.. lol4.94 40
4.53 RAS
Extremely unathletic. People just think otherwise cuz reasons.
13 QBs ran for more than 260 yards in 2020 alone. Not sure if that proves much. But yeah, he definitely has more functional running ability than his slowness would imply.Brissett did have 83yds rushing in 3gms his rookie season in NE and followed that up with 260yds rushing in 2017 for IND. Perhaps he just didn't test well at the combine but he definitely wasn't unathletic for a QB. Jimmy G by comparison has 140yds rushing for his career.
I had never really looked at the combine numbers, but it looks like Brissett would be an NFL example for functional athleticism. Regardless of athletic scores, he was a pretty effective runner as a QB.4.94 40
4.53 RAS
Extremely unathletic. People just think otherwise cuz reasons.
He was a Grier draftee, pretty sure.So Michael Bishop was a Big Tuna draft? That guy could throw a bomb and run too
" Tom Brady called Bishop "one of the best athletes he has ever seen"
Pete Carroll, I believe.So Michael Bishop was a Big Tuna draft? That guy could throw a bomb and run too
" Tom Brady called Bishop "one of the best athletes he has ever seen"
Bishop was another functional athlete - 4.85 40, 5.05 RAS.So Michael Bishop was a Big Tuna draft? That guy could throw a bomb and run too
" Tom Brady called Bishop "one of the best athletes he has ever seen"
Like first impressions.4.94 40
4.53 RAS
Extremely unathletic. People just think otherwise cuz reasons.
Yeah. His actual athleticism lowers the upside of his functional athleticism some, though, but he's definitely much more of the latter than the former.I had never really looked at the combine numbers, but it looks like Brissett would be an NFL example for functional athleticism. Regardless of athletic scores, he was a pretty effective runner as a QB.
Wasn't Belichick the coach of the Patriots for three months when Bishop was drafted?He was a Grier draftee, pretty sure.
This is not true. Bishop was taken in the 1999 draft (when Pete Carroll was still HC). Pete got fired the first week of January 2000, which was when BB took his place.Belichick had been the coach of the Patriots for three months when Bishop was drafted. I find it impossible to believe that he wasn't making the calls even though Grier might still have had his job title.
That...was not very good defense lol.
I wanted Fields as well. Not sure that QBs are projectable enough to throw in a first next year to take Fields instead of Jones (though I would have probably gone ahead) but I have some faith that BB knows more than me and has a plan. I am just not at all convinced this is a bust situation. And we have some data that SF would have at least been OK with Jones so I am thinking enough people think he can be high floor in the right offense that he sounds like a very plausible upgrade.That...was not very good defense lol.
Anyway, sorry for the derail. Just thinking through some things. Following the stages of grief blah blah blah.
I think it would be fun to have younger, faster, more accurate, better processing Cam to learn from Cam, but BB disagrees & I guess that's OK.
Cam had a 10.0 RAS fwiw.
I get it & get all the arguments & just hope I'm wrong - & would have traded an extra 1st to go from Jones to Fields in a heartbeat.I wanted Fields as well. Not sure that QBs are projectable enough to throw in a first next year to take Fields instead of Jones (though I would have probably gone ahead) but I have some faith that BB knows more than me and has a plan. I am just not at all convinced this is a bust situation. And we have some data that SF would have at least been OK with Jones so I am thinking enough people think he can be high floor in the right offense that he sounds like a very plausible upgrade.
Yeah, young Cam was an athletic freak of nature and I think that Lance and Fields are that same sort of player, but with more upside as I think they're both better processors than Cam was at the same age. If it's any comfort I think the implications of Kyed's tweets on the subject is that Belichick was willing to move up for Lance, but not for the other two. So he seems to have agreed with you on the question of QBs. If only the Niners had taken Jones, alas.That...was not very good defense lol.
Anyway, sorry for the derail. Just thinking through some things. Following the stages of grief blah blah blah.
I think it would be fun to have younger, faster, more accurate, better processing Cam to learn from Cam, but BB disagrees & I guess that's OK.
Cam had a 10.0 RAS fwiw.
I vaguely remember a long running TD the year Brady was suspended and assumed he was very mobile too.4.94 40
4.53 RAS
Extremely unathletic. People just think otherwise cuz reasons.
I don’t know how to find these numbers but what about Danny Elting? Had the memorable preseason run and tried to switch to WR.4.94 40
4.53 RAS
Extremely unathletic. People just think otherwise cuz reasons.
Etling was 4.76 40, 8.33 RAS. Not bad. He was average at everything except he had elite weight & 10-yard split lol.I don’t know how to find these numbers but what about Danny Elting? Had the memorable preseason run and tried to switch to WR.
Yeah. I wish the 49ers had uniforms I liked more so I could overcome like 35 years of dislike & make Team Lance my 2nd favorite team.Yeah, young Cam was an athletic freak of nature and I think that Lance and Fields are that same sort of player, but with more upside as I think they're both better processors than Cam was at the same age. If it's any comfort I think the implications of Kyed's tweets on the subject is that Belichick was willing to move up for Lance, but not for the other two. So he seems to have agreed with you on the question of QBs. If only the Niners had taken Jones, alas.
Yeah, but then JM3 would have missed his chance to imply someone was being racist.Brissett did have 83yds rushing in 3gms his rookie season in NE and followed that up with 260yds rushing in 2017 for IND. Perhaps he just didn't test well at the combine but he definitely wasn't unathletic for a QB. Jimmy G by comparison has 140yds rushing for his career.
So he's not shitty!It's a little odd that "Mac" is a mirror image of "Cam".
mirror image of Cam would be... low completion percentage, high TDs, lots of picks no rushing yards So... Jameis?So he's not shitty!
Doesn't Cam have a relatively low career completion % (compared to other top QBs) and relatively high interception %? I mean right around ~60% career completion % and 2.7 interception % can't be considered good, can it?mirror image of Cam would be... low completion percentage, high TDs, lots of picks no rushing yards So... Jameis?
Lol. I don't think it's implying racism that people just assume black QBs are better athletes than they are? It happens all the time. & I also think there's a difference between cognitive bias that makes you think someone is better at something than they are & racism, but that's an argument I'm not having. I promise I wasn't trying to be mean to the poster I said it to, though.Yeah, but then JM3 would have missed his chance to imply someone was being racist.
And when you get that chance, you take it.