The Juice Expires (OJ Dead at 76)

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I posted a separate thread in V&N, recognizing that the discussion is likely to range far beyond football, and perhaps veer into “political” topics.

Feel free to discuss here. I just wanted everyone to be aware of the other thread.
 

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Great career but lost track of him after he retired, he must have just lived a quiet, uneventful life post-NFL.
 

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I posted a separate thread in V&N, recognizing that the discussion is likely to range far beyond football, and perhaps veer into “political” topics.

Feel free to discuss here. I just wanted everyone to be aware of the other thread.
Just as a heads up - Is him being a murderer considered political?
 

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I posted a separate thread in V&N, recognizing that the discussion is likely to range far beyond football, and perhaps veer into “political” topics.

Feel free to discuss here. I just wanted everyone to be aware of the other thread.
Well, I posted one in P&G, reflecting that this dude kinda fits everywhere.
 

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If anyone missed it and can't really remember the 90s, I thought the OJ: Made In America ESPN documentary about his career / life / the case was pretty good.
 

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Growing up as a Dolphins fan in upstate NY, I was constantly taunted by my elementary school classmates with "Miami's got the oranges but Buffalo's got the juice!" I remember the Dolphins generally winning those games though.
 

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Just as a heads up - Is him being a murderer considered political?
Obviously not. In-depth discussion of the racial divisions that were laid bare by the trial probably fit better in V&N, though.

I didn’t realize he was a first-team All Pro five consecutive seasons (1972-76). That’s pretty rarefied air — Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, Aaron Donald, Anthony Munoz, Lawrence Taylor, probably a couple others I’m missing. Really only Brown and Rice among marquee position players, I think.
 

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In 1973 the Bills as a team threw for only 1,236 yards and had a completion percentage of just 45%, and threw for 4 TDs vs 14 INTs. Yet they went 9-5, and Simpson ran for 6 yards a carry despite defenses absolutely dying to be passed on.
 

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Growing up as a Dolphins fan in upstate NY, I was constantly taunted by my elementary school classmates with "Miami's got the oranges but Buffalo's got the juice!" I remember the Dolphins generally winning those games though.
It was more than "generally". In the seasons he was in Buffalo they went 1-17. And the 1 win was in his rookie season.
 

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In 1973 the Bills as a team threw for only 1,236 yards and had a completion percentage of just 45%, and threw for 4 TDs vs 14 INTs. Yet they went 9-5, and Simpson ran for 6 yards a carry despite defenses absolutely dying to be passed on.
I sense a trend
 

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I would love to know if he had CTE, but I’m guessing the family would never let that happen.
Is there any reason to think he did? Most murderers and domestic abusers don’t have neurological conditions. And I didn’t see any signs during his (admittedly limited) public appearances during his later years.
 

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I would love to know if he had CTE, but I’m guessing the family would never let that happen.
oh, I feel like they would want that to happen, as it can explain some of his thinking... IMO It feels like the amount of former NFL players WITHOUT CTE could be counted on one hand
 

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In an ironic bit of foreshadowing, OJ got to scream, "Goddammit man, call an ambulance" at Paul Newman in "The Towering Inferno."
 

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Veering into thoughts that are less than well rehearsed, and probably non-PC. I wonder if our vitriol is more directed at the fact that OJ killed two people, or that he got away with killing two people. For the former, I am sure that the karmic Gods are administering swift justice. As to the latter, he had the resources to hire brilliant attorneys whose oath was to zealously represent their client. I personally find it reprehensible what he did to get all that blood on his hands. I don't fault him whatsoever for getting away with it. That is our system, and until we replace celebrity attorneys recouping multi-million dollar legal fees with barristers, we will see these results.
 

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Veering into thoughts that are less than well rehearsed, and probably non-PC. I wonder if our vitriol is more directed at the fact that OJ killed two people, or that he got away with killing two people. For the former, I am sure that the karmic Gods are administering swift justice. As to the latter, he had the resources to hire brilliant attorneys whose oath was to zealously represent their client. I personally find it reprehensible what he did to get all that blood on his hands. I don't fault him whatsoever for getting away with it. That is our system, and until we replace celebrity attorneys recouping multi-million dollar legal fees with barristers, we will see these results.
I think you also have to throw in as a cause for the vitriol that his case reminded us all of how racially divided our country still was at the time, and still is today.

But your point is correct--in the end, the color that mattered most in his trial was green.
 

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Veering into thoughts that are less than well rehearsed, and probably non-PC. I wonder if our vitriol is more directed at the fact that OJ killed two people, or that he got away with killing two people. For the former, I am sure that the karmic Gods are administering swift justice. As to the latter, he had the resources to hire brilliant attorneys whose oath was to zealously represent their client. I personally find it reprehensible what he did to get all that blood on his hands. I don't fault him whatsoever for getting away with it. That is our system, and until we replace celebrity attorneys recouping multi-million dollar legal fees with barristers, we will see these results.
At the time, Barry Scheck was not yet a celebrity. He was doing his DNA stuff mostly in NY. I suspect his new-found fame and attention helped him gather additional resources to launch the Innocence Project.
 

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One brief OJ story.

Shortly after the acquittal I was playing golf at a local public course in Los Angeles with friends in high school (he had of course been kicked out of the nice private course Riviera at that point) and saw OJ on a nearby tee box.

My friends made some stupid joke about seeing a golf glove on the ground and it being his missing glove, I don’t even remember the specifics. I do remember that somehow he heard us, walked up to us, and was very upset about the joke. Told us it was not funny at all.

Intense guy. Very good hearing.
 

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oh, I feel like they would want that to happen, as it can explain some of his thinking... IMO It feels like the amount of former NFL players WITHOUT CTE could be counted on one hand
Agreed I would imagine they would def. hope to explain away some of his behavior.
 

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His Marcel Marceau impression trying to shoehorn the glove on his hand over the latex glove will go down in history as one of the greatest acting jobs ever, even better than his work in The Towering Inferno and The Naked Gun.

He really should have taken a bigger stab at acting, he was a natural.
 

54thMA

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One brief OJ story.

Shortly after the acquittal I was playing golf at a local public course in Los Angeles with friends in high school (he had of course been kicked out of the nice private course Riviera at that point) and saw OJ on a nearby tee box.

My friends made some stupid joke about seeing a golf glove on the ground and it being his missing glove, I don’t even remember the specifics. I do remember that somehow he heard us, walked up to us, and was very upset about the joke. Told us it was not funny at all.

Intense guy. Very good hearing.
Did you get his autograph?
 

Steve Dillard

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I wonder if his death means that all of his assets are now there for distribution to the Goldmans? His pension, for example, or the proceeds from selling his "homestead exempt" Florida house.