Stephen Drew to NY

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Starting a separate thread to talk about NY's perspective on this...
 
So I guess Drew plays 2B for NY? He's not bumping Headley at 3B, and he's certainly not bumping the remnants of Jeter at SS. Johnson was on the DL, maybe they DFA Brian Roberts to make room?
 
Confusing. 
 

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Hence the 'confusing' part. Also, Brendan Ryan is under contract for next year so he's almost certainly not being released.
 

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Ryan or Drew has to be playing 2B, but really I have no idea why NY would do this. I figured that Kelly Johnson would be the 2B when he came back next week, and that is actually his main position. 
 

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Stephen Drew has never played 2B at the major league level. 
 
 
The Yankees put Posada in at second once.
 
Seriously though, they've played Mattingly and Winfeild at 3rd, About a dozen players at first who never played there before. They've never shied away from taking chances to keep bats in the lineup.

 
 

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jon abbey said:
Ryan or Drew has to be playing 2B, but really I have no idea why NY would do this. I figured that Kelly Johnson would be the 2B when he came back next week, and that is actually his main position. 
 
 
MLB just confirmed Drew will be at 2nd
 

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hbk72777 said:
 
 
 
 They've never shied away from taking chances to keep bats in the lineup.
 
 
 
And it's never worked out well, plus the term "bats" is really stretching it here.
 
So confused...
 

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hbk72777 said:
 
 
MLB just confirmed Drew will be at 2nd
https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/494938638707204096
 
Heyman said it too. 
 

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Heyman probably was the one who said it on MLBN, all of these guys are on MLBN now. 
 

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hbk72777 said:
 
 
 
The Yankees put Posada in at second once.
 
Seriously though, they've played Mattingly and Winfeild at 3rd, About a dozen players at first who never played there before. They've never shied away from taking chances to keep bats in the lineup.
 
 
 
Posada came up as a 2B so there was some history there. It's so laughable that the Yankees continue to acquire superior SS but never move their darling off the position. You have to keep Jeter strong! Or to borrow a phrase from the ICW, "JETER WINS LOL."
 

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Well, it's only 2 months left of Jeter. Next year, there are no originals left, so no more "Dons" left to cater to
 

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Even though Drew has never played second, he surely won't be as much of a butcher as Roberts has been. Add in a much better bat, and this is a nice upgrade for the Yankees.
 

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Even though Drew has never played second, he surely won't be as much of a butcher as Roberts has been. Add in a much better bat, and this is a nice upgrade for the Yankees.
So where is Prado going to play, LF? Does that mean Gardner or Ellsbury moves to RF?
The Drew trade makes zero sense to me, even as an audition for next year.
 

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Will they put Jeter at DH sometimes to get Drew in the lineup at SS and try and keep Jeter (relatively) healthy?
 

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Will they put Jeter at DH sometimes to get Drew in the lineup at SS and try and keep Jeter (relatively) healthy?
I think JA addressed this in the Prado thread, but Beltran is nearly a full time DH at this point. Maybe that changes, but it's the main reason Prado is playing in RF. 
 

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Also they have Brendan Ryan, my guess is that Drew will be the everyday 2B, at least for now. 
 

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So Drew has never played 2B, until tomorrow night. Looking at Prado - he appears to have played RF for two innings in his career, also until tomorrow night.
 
Seems a bit nuts.
 

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Also I'm pretty sure they still have no backup first baseman on the roster behind the brittle Tex. Dreadful roster construction that still is a major mess, admittedly a bit hamstrung by Jeter but still. 
 

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I know EE will accuse me of being obsessed, but at some point doesn't even Jeter have to realize how counter-productive it is to consistently have better defensive players move around or sit on the bench to accommodate him?  Would he rather make the playoffs with Drew or Ryan at SS or miss the playoffs while playing SS?
 

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glennhoffmania said:
I know EE will accuse me of being obsessed, but at some point doesn't even Jeter have to realize how counter-productive it is to consistently have better defensive players move around or sit on the bench to accommodate him?  Would he rather make the playoffs with Drew or Ryan at SS or miss the playoffs while playing SS?
 
Not obsessed, but damn, while Jeter certainly shouldn't be hitting near the top of the lineup, he's at least bringing a little offense to the table over Ryan.  Jeter has an OPS+ of 86 this year.  Ryan, 34.  When Ryan last got regular ABs he rocked an OPS+ of around 50.  Drew's OPS+ this year so far is 63, albeit in somewhat limited ABs.  But he is going to play every day too.  So with both Jeter and Drew needing to be in the lineup, who should play where?  DH is out because Beltran can't play the OF and they need his bat more than Jeter or Drew.  So it is either SS or 2B for the two of them .  Between Jeter and Drew, neither of whom have ever played 2B, who is more likely to be successful in playing 2B for the rest of this season?  Drew is younger, more athletic, and is a better fielder.  I don't think there is any question he can make the adjustment better than Jeter.  Jeter's lack of familiarity at 2B would probably expose his defensive shortcomings even more than SS already does.  Beyond all the drama such a move would entail, it isn't even certain that there is a net benefit from an on-field performance perspective. 
 
We're all ready for Jeter to go, but at this point, I just don't see the utility in trying to get him to move to a new position with just a couple months left when there is really little indication that he will be the difference in making the playoffs one way or another.  Assuming Drew can play 2B, at least the Yankees are putting good defensive players on either side of him.  It looks like the Yankees are mitigating risk as best they can.  It's too bad Beltran can't play the OF.  That is the piece of roster construction that really should have been avoided. 
 

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If the DH slot were open and Drew onboard, do you really think Jeter would be DH on more than an occasional offday basis?
 

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Harry Hooper said:
If the DH slot were open and Drew onboard, do you really think Jeter would be DH on more than an occasional offday basis?
Probably around once a week, maybe twice as the season drags on, so more than an occasional rest, but certainly not a majority of the time. DH slot availability would help, but doesn't really change the fact that Ryan is an offensive black hole and that between Jeter/Ryan/Drew, Ryan is the guy who should be on the bench most of the time but for routine use as a late-inning defensive replacement.

If Ryan is mostly on the bench, it is still between Jeter and Drew as to who needs to play SS and 2B.
 

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Why are the analyst saying the Yankees are going to use this time to "get a look at Drew at SS?" He's a LHH, he is the best fielding SS to wear pinstripes in about 20 years, and he's already proven himself in a hyper pressure spot like Boston. It's kinda insulting to Drew as a player that people keep throwing this out there.
 

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Plus, ya know, he won't actually be playing SS.  Not that that should matter at all.
 

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rembrat said:
Why are the analyst saying the Yankees are going to use this time to "get a look at Drew at SS?" He's a LHH, he is the best fielding SS to wear pinstripes in about 20 years, and he's already proven himself in a hyper pressure spot like Boston. It's kinda insulting to Drew as a player that people keep throwing this out there.
His offense has been up and down, and having their own people work with him is useful. Also, I don't think it is a question of whether or not Drew needs to prove himself, rather, having him on the team for the rest of the season helps the Yankees get a handle on how much they are willing to pay him going forward. Isn't he a Boras client? It is entirely possible Drew's price will be more than they want to spend for the performance they think they'll get. Better to get a handle on that now.

edit: plus, if he is to be the SS going forward, it takes a lot of time to evaluate his intangibles. That shit takes time.
 

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Even though Drew has never played second, he surely won't be as much of a butcher as Roberts has been. Add in a much better bat, and this is a nice upgrade for the Yankees.
Taking throws at second from third or short is not a trivial thing. You have your back to the runner coming into 2B and he's going to try to knock you into left field. Maybe the extreme shifts of late with LHHs up where the SS is over on the right side have helped guys like Drew get a better feel for the right side. He'll probably be fine on ground balls, has a SS arm, probably only his turning DPs will be problematic. Think Holliday barreling into Scutaro in the NLCS.
 

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Never frugal, but their limits come up every year. They do have limits, just ones that exceed almost everyone else.
 

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rembrat said:
he is the best fielding SS to wear pinstripes in about 20 years
 
Is he even the best one this season? I was under the impression Brendan Ryan was better than him (how else could he still be in the bigs?), but I haven't checked the numbers.
 

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Is he even the best one this season? I was under the impression Brendan Ryan was better than him (how else could he still be in the bigs?), but I haven't checked the numbers.
 
I don't think he was including assumed utility players. 
 

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Yea, the Yankees would never field and all glove utility guy at short.
 

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Drews bat is made for YS3.  He might have had 2 HR tonight at YS3.   If you remember, Drew did most of his damage last year the final 2 months of the season. He also had an abbreviated ST last year and got off to an awful start before heating up.   Cashman hoping the same happens this year.   He is great insurance for Jeter as well who has exceeded my expectations in terms of staying healthy.
 
I thought the Yankees should have signed him before the Red Sox, but given his slow start, maybe it was just as well they did not.
 

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I expect Drew to hit quite nicely in the Toilet for the rest of 2014. He has shaken off the rust of his late start. I saw the Daily News referred to his acquisition as a "waste of money" for the Yanks. I think that will prove to be very wrong.