Round 3: Celtics vs Pacers

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Nesmith would make a good Johnny Most villain. Wonder what JM's nickname for him would have been?
 

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https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/most_g_no_playoffs.html
Your tweet brings this list to mind.
Poor Tom VanArsdale. The last year of his career, he's traded to Phoenix, the previous year's Western champ (they lost to the Celts in 6 games)....and they go 34-48 and finish out of the playoffs (only 8 made it in an 18 team league, year before the merger)
It's a beautiful Friday before a long weekend and looking at that list brought a little sadness to my day.
 

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Not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but isn't this exactly how it seems the NBA is lining up for the next 3-5 years? Almost all of the emerging young superstars are in the WC. It's going to be a bloodbath for the foreseeable future. What EC teams look like they're ready to take a leap and become a real threat to the Celtics?
The 80s media consisted of 100 people on a fixed cycle of reporting. They had neither the time nor space to engage in that sort of stuff. And to the extent any of them did talk about that stuff -- and there probably were a few -- who outside of locals were reading the great writers in Boston, LA, and NY?
These logical arguments undermine my siege mentality and sense of victim-hood.

The SIxers if healthy could be really good. As annoying as he is Nick Nurse does develop young players. The Pacers could find some role players. Maybe the Bucks figure out how to play together.
Also, while the national media was just a few guys, one had a talk show where he discussed with thinly veiled racism how ugly Larry Bird was and how he got assists when not in the game and another between having OJ as his best man hung out with Magic before becoming Jordan's unofficial press agent. So, the little that was being said had an anti-Celtics slant.
 

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Also, while the national media was just a few guys, one had a talk show where he discussed with thinly veiled racism how ugly Larry Bird was and how he got assists when not in the game and another between having OJ as his best man hung out with Magic before becoming Jordan's unofficial press agent. So, the little that was being said had an anti-Celtics slant.
Turns out OJ was a groomsman as was another not very good person…

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Moreover, why would the league bother Zaprudering an assist like this?
They do every play. There's a team of 4 or 5 people that work the live stats for each game at the arena, including 1 or 2 whose job is just to review anything questionable, and then at least 1 person back in Secaucus who is auditing the live stats and has access to more camera angles and better quality video than the in arena team. For the nba, especially for playoff games when there aren't many other games going on that night, anything close like a tip or possible block, they're going to look at multiple times
 

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Of course, the Pacers upside is higher with a fullyOperatonal Hali, but it is possible that losing Haliburton could help the Pacer's median net rating? His D is questionable, and they have other scorers!

IOW: celts better not fool themselves into thinking this game will be a breeze. Cavs game 4 comes to mind (cavs didn't role over and die when Mitchell was out)
 

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Of course, the Pacers upside is higher with a fullyOperatonal Hali, but it is possible that losing Haliburton could help the Pacer's median net rating? His D is questionable, and they have other scorers!

IOW: celts better not fool themselves into thinking this game will be a breeze. Cavs game 4 comes to mind (cavs didn't role over and die when Mitchell was out)
Agreed—-while it impacts their offense in a big way, it forces Celtics to work harder—or at least be more disciplined—offensively. They leaned some into “target Halliburton”

though they have other places to target too
 

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Porzingis traveled with the team btw. So while he's out Game 3, it would seem there's at least some chance Game 4 is on the table.

Edit - I guess he traveled to Cleveland, too. Which is kind of weird, but whatever.
 

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Agreed—-while it impacts their offense in a big way, it forces Celtics to work harder—or at least be more disciplined—offensively. They leaned some into “target Halliburton”

though they have other places to target too
I predict that they'll run mostly the same stuff without Halliburton, but at Nembhard and McConnell instead.

If Halli does play, he's wayyy easier to defend when he's not a threat inside the arc, which he won't be if he can't explode with the hammy.
 

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Porzingis traveled with the team btw. So while he's out Game 3, it would seem there's at least some chance Game 4 is on the table.

Edit - I guess he traveled to Cleveland, too. Which is kind of weird, but whatever.
I guess it's a being with the team thing, being part of the convos around strategy and whatever - but I always cringe when I see injured players sitting on ridiculous folding chairs for a couple of hours. Can't be comfortable.
 

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Porzingis traveled with the team btw. So while he's out Game 3, it would seem there's at least some chance Game 4 is on the table.

Edit - I guess he traveled to Cleveland, too. Which is kind of weird, but whatever.
He’s rehabbing with the training staff and it’s the playoffs so all hands on deck on these road trips.
 

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Game 3 status:

- Halliburton: Questionable, chest as well as left hammy

- KP: out

- Kornet: Doubtful

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40212259/pacers-tyrese-haliburton-questionable-game-3-sore-hamstring

So looks like some Brissett minutes and i have to think Halliburton is on the low side of 50/50
I heard on the radio today that Hali got a chest x-ray at halftime. First I had heard of anything. Was there an incident where he might have bruised ribs?
 

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They do every play. There's a team of 4 or 5 people that work the live stats for each game at the arena, including 1 or 2 whose job is just to review anything questionable, and then at least 1 person back in Secaucus who is auditing the live stats and has access to more camera angles and better quality video than the in arena team. For the nba, especially for playoff games when there aren't many other games going on that night, anything close like a tip or possible block, they're going to look at multiple times
Has this changed recently? Everting I’ve read about stats is that it’s done by one person and it’s someone that works for the home team. There was a whole thing about how the Jazz scorekeeper would give John Stockton a bunch of “home cooking” assists.

There was a thing last year about how Jaren Jackson Jr would get credit for blocks at home that weren’t really blocks to inflate his stats
 

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He’s rehabbing with the training staff and it’s the playoffs so all hands on deck on these road trips.
I guess, but I mean it is Boston, they must have some good doctors around there they know, and travel is generally not ideal for healing up. I'm sure it's fine, but I'd rather they stay home if there's legitimately no chance of them playing.
 

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I resemble that remark!

Porzingis traveled with the team btw. So while he's out Game 3, it would seem there's at least some chance Game 4 is on the table.



Edit - I guess he traveled to Cleveland, too. Which is kind of weird, but whatever.
He's supporting his team. Not weird at all to me. It's not like there's something he can do at home that he can't do on the road.
 

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Porzingis traveled with the team btw. So while he's out Game 3, it would seem there's at least some chance Game 4 is on the table.

Edit - I guess he traveled to Cleveland, too. Which is kind of weird, but whatever.
He’s said he loves being around the team.. even when injured and wants to be there to support them at games.
 

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Sounds right. His bromance with Jaylen is still in the honeymoon phase.
 

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Has this changed recently? Everting I’ve read about stats is that it’s done by one person and it’s someone that works for the home team. There was a whole thing about how the Jazz scorekeeper would give John Stockton a bunch of “home cooking” assists.

There was a thing last year about how Jaren Jackson Jr would get credit for blocks at home that weren’t really blocks to inflate his stats
Our group has done pro sports in Las Vegas since the Aces moved here in 2018, and college for I'm not sure how many years before that. A normal pro stats crew has been 4 in arena for at least that long, and for nba and wnba 1 of them is taking to an auditor in Secaucus in near real time. I'm sure the Stockton thing was true, and back then it may have just been 1 person. My guess is that back then the person keeping the "official book" was just the one tracking everything, and with the league having no way to easily verify, it would have been super easy for them to stat pad for certain players. These days the book only tracks points and fouls, and once the game is over no one ever looks at the book again, just the stats that are being posted online. I don't know when exactly the change was made, but I don't think I'd say it was recent.

I looked a little into the Jackson thing, and it looks like for the most part the poster just didn't understand how nba rules work, particularly in regard to steals, the examples they listed as wrong all seemed correct (though a couple were only correct because the timekeeper and or ref gave in my opinon terrible shotclock resets, which forced the stats to enter extra steals/turnovers). I know for a fact what you're describing still happens with certain colleges, but I feel pretty confident in saying it's not a thing in the pros anymore. Some stats will always be debatable, because even with all the angles and replays we have they sometimes come down to judgement calls, player x hits player y in the hands with a pass, the turnover could go either way, player x goes up for a rebound and tips it to player y, was it a "controlled tip" meaning it should go to x or not in which case it goes to y etc. But for the most part I think pro stats are nearly as close to perfect as you could reasonably expect, college not so much, but that's a different story.

Happy to discuss more about it if you or anyone else has any stats scoring related questions, but since this is kind of a tangent that isn't really related to the thread feel free to PM me.
 

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Rudy has to understand he doesn’t have the ability to post up like that.
 

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They do every play. There's a team of 4 or 5 people that work the live stats for each game at the arena, including 1 or 2 whose job is just to review anything questionable, and then at least 1 person back in Secaucus who is auditing the live stats and has access to more camera angles and better quality video than the in arena team. For the nba, especially for playoff games when there aren't many other games going on that night, anything close like a tip or possible block, they're going to look at multiple times
Txs for info. Honestly curious - how do you know this? Have you done this before? That would seem to be a cool thing to do a couple of times.

Confirmed: His heart's not in it.
Nice!
 

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Jrue is sick and questionable. Wonder if something is going around, as Tatum looked quite lethargic in Game B.
 

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Jrue is sick and questionable. Wonder if something is going around, as Tatum looked quite lethargic in Game B.
Tatum looked lethargic in other early series games prior to building into the series. I wouldn’t be surprised if this weren’t some gamesmanship just as listing Tyrese as questionable was.

Joe: “Hey Jrue is that a sniffle I just heard? I think you’re sick and maybe we should think about sitting this one out, isn’t that right Doc?” (Wink)

Doc: “Yeah I wouldn’t chance this one. Let’s see how he looks at game time and decide then.” (Smirk)

Jrue: “Yup I am feeling a little under the weather now that you mention it.” (Chuckles)
 

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Flu or something like it (seems non-covid) is definitely going around. I was at an event earlier in the week with 100 people and seemed like half of them were sick. I have had it for like 3 weeks. I immediately thought of it with JT the other night. Totally sucks if those guys have it.
 

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I’ve literally never heard someone say they are sick without someone else saying “oh yeah there’s something going around”.

Maybe Jrue is just sick?
 

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I’ve literally never heard someone say they are sick without someone else saying “oh yeah there’s something going around”.

Maybe Jrue is just sick?
Maybe he's sick AND there's something going around but he doesn't have what's going around.