Not our Star Blazer: Yamamoto signs with the Dodgers for $325 million, 12 years

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Besides the weather, LA always had the advantage of proximity to Japan, which the east coast teams will find hard to overcome.
I thought this would wind up being a huge factor as well. I drifted off during the Rams game after the rumored news was posted here that he was going to the MFYs, so in comparison this seems like a blessing. At least I can root for his success when he's not pitching against us.
 

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According to Sporttrac Ohtani's luxury tax hit is $46 million. The Dodgers before Yamamoto were at 250 million, 12 million over the luxury tax. On an AAV basis this adds $27 (I don't know how the bonus is accounted for so they would be right about where the Yankees were last year and $50 million below where the Mets were).
Letting Trea Turner walk last year gave them a lot of flexibility.
 

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What's the problem? Half of the posters in here have spent the last four years assuring us going over the CBT was absolutely crippling to a baseball team and that all big contracts are bad contracts. Seems like the Dodgers are in big trouble!
That’s not the actual argument, and certainly not the argument where the 2019 Red Sox were concerned.
 

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As soon as Ohtani did the defer thing, I assumed this was why.

I thought as much, but am not sure I posted it — anyway, it was fun to pretend we were in it, but I doubt anyone was. This was about getting as much as possible from the team he was going to go to.
 

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27 AAV with no opt outs tell me he really wanted to be in LA. I’d be stunned if the Mets and or Yankees didn’t top that.

Gonna be a lot of movement: fascinating to see what all is about to unfold.

Snell to Giants seems forgone conclusion at this point. The wild card on the SP shuffle is going to be how aggressive the Yankees choose to be.
 

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The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa,貼文:5897200,會員:27220 said:
也許紅襪隊應該嘗試將吉田交易到道奇隊。
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Can trade Jansen to Dodgers
Yoshida might bounce back
Asian players need to adapt to the environment in the first year.
 

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Opposition to a salary cap is the sine qua non of the union. If the owners try to install it there will be a strike and we will be back to the labor wars of the 80's and 90's. That is basically what cost us the last third of the 1994 season and that year's World Series.
 

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I don’t think any of the East Coast teams ever really had a shot. Now watch Roki go to the Dodgers next year.
 

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It’s better that it was the Dodgers than Yankees, but it feels like it’s telling how little the Sox were mentioned in the final days of reporting, including the tweets about $ offers. Dodgers essentially means there was never a chance, but it’s upsetting if we find out the Sox didn’t go to $300, right?
 

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It will be very interesting to see what the Sox and Yankees do. Each team needs pitching but there are only so many trades and FAs to be had. The next moves by each team will tell us about their intent to compete short and long term. I expect the MFY to go hard after pitching, otherwise the trade for Soto would make no sense. Like, at all. I wouldn’t want to be Cashman.
 

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It’s better that it was the Dodgers than Yankees, but it feels like it’s telling how little the Sox were mentioned in the final days of reporting, including the tweets about $ offers. Dodgers essentially means there was never a chance, but it’s upsetting if we find out the Sox didn’t go to $300, right?
Terms matter as well. Yamamoto clearly went to the team that he wanted to go to. The Dodgers paved the way with the Otahni deal and were only too happy to let him come back to them to match the best offer. I don't understand the need to be pissed off over what the Sox may have offered, but feel free.
 

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It’s better that it was the Dodgers than Yankees, but it feels like it’s telling how little the Sox were mentioned in the final days of reporting, including the tweets about $ offers. Dodgers essentially means there was never a chance, but it’s upsetting if we find out the Sox didn’t go to $300, right?
I’m not upset. Pitchers with Yamamoto’s frame don’t last. This contract will be an albatross for LA in a few years.
 

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It sounds like the Sox didn’t get to the stage where formal offers were made which is very disappointing. What they do to pivot will tell me just how serious this ownership is about winning versus just wanting to turn a profit.
 

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My daughter just called me and laughed at me for believing Henry would go make such a big move. She questions whether Henry has ever even heard of Yamamoto. She is brutal. So, I brought up Montgomery & Snell. She asked if we have to do this all over again for them or can we move to the budget level players. I am still not giving up on Yamamoto, but I am having a hard time staying optimistic.
She needs an account here!!
 

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Japanese star Yoshinobu Yamamoto and the Los Angeles Dodgers are in agreement on an 12-year, $325 million contract, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN.

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Yoshinobu Yamamoto's deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers is the largest contract for a pitcher in Major League Baseball history, beating Gerrit Cole's deal by $1 million. Furthermore, the Dodgers will pay an additional $50.6 million in posting fee. Total outlay: 12 years, $375M.
But the Red Sox still feel like they're in the running for him!
 

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It sounds like the Sox didn’t get to the stage where formal offers were made which is very disappointing. What they do to pivot will tell me just how serious this ownership is about winning versus just wanting to turn a profit.
It’s been pretty clear that their MO is “be competitive…. With luck and health- a playoff berth… then it’s a crapshoot”.
That’s why Bloom was perfect for them. I think Bloom may have shown their hand a little too much.
It’s looking more like the things where I thought Bloom was failing was more likely a Henry imposed philosophy. It’s a private team and it’s their right. We can either continue to participate or follow another team.
 

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Given Andy Martino's report that the Mets also bid $325 million (and the Yanks $300M), I think this is exactly what happened. He got the best offer from the New York teams, asked the Dodgers to match it, and they did.
The only thing that really matters is if the Sox were prepared to top it.

There are a lot less ways that money can be leveraged into an advantage on the field now; that advantage is now just brute force payroll spending and more nebulous areas of scouting/ analytics (where the correlation to player development & winning is still hard to separate from player ability).
 

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Terms matter as well. Yamamoto clearly went to the team that he wanted to go to. The Dodgers paved the way with the Otahni deal and were only too happy to let him come back to them to match the best offer. I don't understand the need to be pissed off over what the Sox may have offered, but feel free.
I hope Breslow comes out and says, "Based on info from our Japanese sources, we were quite certain from the outset he was going to LA and just used the East coast teams to drive up the price. So we told him not to bother coming to visit."

Just to make heads explode.
 

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It’s been pretty clear that their MO is “be competitive…. With luck and health- a playoff berth… then it’s a crapshoot”.
That’s why Bloom was perfect for them. I think Bloom may have shown their hand a little too much.
It’s looking more like the things where I thought Bloom was failing was more likely a Henry imposed philosophy. It’s a private team and it’s their right. We can either continue to participate or follow another team.
Except that Bloom failed at the "competitive" part two years in a row. (Regardless of whether Henry is suddenly afraid to spend).
 

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It’s better that it was the Dodgers than Yankees, but it feels like it’s telling how little the Sox were mentioned in the final days of reporting, including the tweets about $ offers. Dodgers essentially means there was never a chance, but it’s upsetting if we find out the Sox didn’t go to $300, right?
“The Sawx ah mid-mahkit now! Free agents don’t even come to us anymore to drive up the price for the teams where they really want to play! Henry needs to sell the Sawx!”
 

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Sucks, but super happy he didn’t wind up with the Yanks. Now, finally, maybe the Sox can make some moves. Please.
 

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It’s been pretty clear that their MO is “be competitive…. With luck and health- a playoff berth… then it’s a crapshoot”.
That’s why Bloom was perfect for them. I think Bloom may have shown their hand a little too much.
It’s looking more like the things where I thought Bloom was failing was more likely a Henry imposed philosophy. It’s a private team and it’s their right. We can either continue to participate or follow another team.
Agreed on this. Very disappointing to see the Sox only on the periphery here, not mentioned on Soto at all. I'm willing to give Breslow the benefit of the doubt, but it certainly seems like ownership's priorities are elsewhere.

Given the number of "Yamamoto or bust!" posts here over the last several months, are the pitchforks and torches coming out soon?
 

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Sucks, but super happy he didn’t wind up with the Yanks. Now, finally, maybe the Sox can make some moves. Please.
Yep. I'm disappointed as this was the ONE GUY that I wanted more than any other this offseason. He fit a huge need. He was perfect for them. But from the sounds of it, he was never going anywhere but LA unless the money was just absurdly higher from other teams - especially Boston. So I'm not disappointed in the effort Boston gave. Just disappointed in the outcome. But less disappointed than I could have been had he ended up with the NYY.

So on to the next move. They still need one, probably two, legit starting pitchers.
 

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I'm just glad that he didn't end up with the Yankees. That is some crazy dough the Dodgers are throwing around, and I highly doubt that the overall risk:reward ratio will ultimately work out in LA's favor. I remember when the Sox signed Bill Campbell back in the Cretaceous period for a million bucks over four years, and that just blew my teenage mind.
Can't wait to see how the dominos fall, now that the clog in the pipe has moved on.
 

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This was the inevitable outcome. Nevertheless,
this thread was the perfect combination of rumor, humor, doomer, fumer and Lumer.
 

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This was the plan once ohtani deferred. And he got a 50 mil bonus? Hmmmm. Ohtani defers all his… the dodger drop a huge amount in year one on this guy…. I mean it doesn’t really feel “right” even though it’s within the rules.

I guess that’s what you do when you haven’t won a proper championship in decades.

anyhow… I do worry that now the dodgers have a complete advantage (even over other west coast teams) with any Japanese star coming over.
 

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I know we’re the Hub of the Universe and all but wow do we Sox fans revel in our navel gazing. Long before John Henry showed up here and the Sox won four championships, it was the case that when the Red Sox and the Yankees both wanted the same free agent…the Red Sox lost. The only thing that has changed is that there is now a new Yankees out there.

In our despair we can twist this into cheap Sox ownership and loss of prestige and poor baseball operations. But it was none of those things. The Sox were always the longest of shots to land a free agent who was coveted by both the Dodgers and the Yankees. That’s just the law of the jungle. Much has it ever been. With a little distance and perspective, we might be able to recognize that the team and fan base that will find this new baseball world order especially disorienting and terrifying is the New York Yankees.

The Yankees pulled out every stop in their pursuit of Yamamoto and were leaking through the media that they “were feeling good” about their chances. Obviously, they, too, never stood a chance. It’s clear as day that the Dodgers told Yamamoto to go get the very best offer he could find and they would…match it. Not beat it, match it. So he got the Mets to go to $325, and the Dodgers matched it, and he went where he always wanted to be. When the Dodgers want someone, THEY are now the team that gets him.

That’s got to be very distressing for a Yankees fan. Sox fans? Jesus Christ, this has always been the way for us. Twist it how you want but we don’t get the guy when the Yankees want him. And there’s a new Yankees in town.
 

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I'm not going to be angry at the ownership over this, because it sounds like the Mets made the best offer, and his agent just took it to the Dodgers to see if they would match it and they did. That showed he wanted to be a Dodger, first and foremost. And I really don't think going any higher than what he received from them would have changed that. When you already have over 300 million dollars, you'd sacrifice 50 million just to live where you want to live. And it's clear from how this all went down that for him that place is LA.
 

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Agreed on this. Very disappointing to see the Sox only on the periphery here, not mentioned on Soto at all. I'm willing to give Breslow the benefit of the doubt, but it certainly seems like ownership's priorities are elsewhere.

Given the number of "Yamamoto or bust!" posts here over the last several months, are the pitchforks and torches coming out soon?
It was widely reported and then posted here too many times to count that the Padres wanted pitching in return for Soto. The Sox have a good minor league system but not high-end pitching prospects. They were never mentioned for Soto because the Padres wanted oranges but the Sox have an apple orchard.

Can you point to all of these Yamamoto or bust posts? Seems like most posters here felt that he would have been a perfect fit for the Sox, recognized that other teams felt that way, too, and assumed it was going to be a tough slog to get him. I suppose there may have been a few ravings about how the Red Sox‘ entire future depended on signing him, but those would definitely been in the small minority.

Are you providing the pitchforks and torches for everyone or is it BYOPFAT?
 

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This was the inevitable outcome. Nevertheless,
this thread was the perfect combination of rumor, humor, doomer, fumer and Lumer.
I agree. The second-most disappointing thing about the Yamamoto signing is that this very entertaining thread will soon come to an end.
 

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I know we’re the Hub of the Universe and all but wow do we Sox fans revel in our navel gazing. Long before John Henry showed up here and the Sox won four championships, it was the case that when the Red Sox and the Yankees both wanted the same free agent…the Red Sox lost. The only thing that has changed is that there is now a new Yankees out there.

In our despair we can twist this into cheap Sox ownership and loss of prestige and poor baseball operations. But it was none of those things. The Sox were always the longest of shots to land a free agent who was coveted by both the Dodgers and the Yankees. That’s just the law of the jungle. Much has it ever been. With a little distance and perspective, we might be able to recognize that the team and fan base that will find this new baseball world order especially disorienting and terrifying is the New York Yankees.

The Yankees pulled out every stop in their pursuit of Yamamoto and were leaking through the media that they “were feeling good” about their chances. Obviously, they, too, never stood a chance. It’s clear as day that the Dodgers told Yamamoto to go get the very best offer he could find and they would…match it. Not beat it, match it. So he got the Mets to go to $325, and the Dodgers matched it, and he went where he always wanted to be. When the Dodgers want someone, THEY are now the team that gets him.

That’s got to be very distressing for a Yankees fan. Sox fans? Jesus Christ, this has always been the way for us. Twist it how you want but we don’t get the guy when the Yankees want him. And there’s a new Yankees in town.
Ill save my despair until the Sox lose on opening day.
 
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