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The only forwards or centers under contract available to begin next season should Kanter opt-out would be Lance Thomas and Joaquim Noah. If he opts-out as I expect I can't imagine the Knicks being happy at all as they would either have to eat up cap space for the summer of '19 to retain him or have to fill major frontcourt holes in FA anyway. Having Kanter play out his contract when the team is desperate for both offense and bigs, and really even forwards to play the 3 or 4, while preserving space for the summer of '19 would seem to be their optimal result. I just don't see how that makes any sense for Kanter though coming off such a strong year at age 25.
Because he's not coming off a strong year I suppose.

He hung numbers for a team intentionally trying to lose.

They shouldn't care one bit about having only Thomas and Noah being the only forwards left if Kanter opts out. They can fill their roster with other dudes to help them tank again. Gonna be another lean year again in NY next season. If they are looking to lock up Kanter longterm at big bucks, Dolan is even dumber than everyone already knows he is.
 

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I expect him to opt-out for sure while locking into a long-term deal. He could surely get a James Johnson-like 4/$60m out of the Knicks should they wish to retain him or be the target of a rebuilding team currently under the cap to put up numbers for them while putting a competitive product on the floor.
The Knicks are not a very well organization. But if Kanter opts out, there is almost no chance that they turn around offer him 60 million and tie up their cap for another 4 years. Similarly, no rebuilding team is going to give him 4 years to put up empty stats when there are so many other flawed bigs who can offer similar value for much less money (Monroe, Thad Young, Dedmon, Lopez, Favors, etc.)
 

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Who is going to take that Raptors job?? Talk about being set up to fail.

Unless there’s unreported friction between Casey and DeRozan, it’s hard to understand the logic behind this move.
 

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Who is going to take that Raptors job?? Talk about being set up to fail.

Unless there’s unreported friction between Casey and DeRozan, it’s hard to understand the logic behind this move.
Word on the proverbial street is Budenholtzer is getting it. Which is funny, another coach who has done well in the regular season and struggled in the playoffs. Doesn't feel like an upgrade to me
 

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Rumor is that he got the votes for COY especially the fake coaches one to give him job protection.

In vain it looks like
 

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Rumor is that he got the votes for COY especially the fake coaches one to give him job protection.

In vain it looks like
Is this real or a joke? I suppose he could try to swing a few of his buddies’ coach votes, but getting a significant number of the 100 media member voters of the real award to forgo any sense of duty to the process seems a stretch. He’s winning that fair and square.

More importantly, how would anyone know ahead of time that he needed protection against a series sweep?

Finally, the only way someone could know this is by asking each of the voters what their motives were. Sounds like pure conjecture on someone’s part.
 
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Word on the proverbial street is Budenholtzer is getting it. Which is funny, another coach who has done well in the regular season and struggled in the playoffs. Doesn't feel like an upgrade to me
If they already had conversations with Budenholzer and had a sense he’d accept the job if offered, then this move makes a lot of sense. I agree it’s basically a lateral move (both are considered above-average but aren’t close to the Pop-Brad-Kerr trinity), and I personally would’ve stuck with Casey, but I can understand why they might think a new coach could get more out of their complementary players.
 

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If they already had conversations with Budenholzer and had a sense he’d accept the job if offered, then this move makes a lot of sense. I agree it’s basically a lateral move (both are considered above-average but aren’t close to the Pop-Brad-Kerr trinity), and I personally would’ve stuck with Casey, but I can understand why they might think a new coach could get more out of their complementary players.
I'd guess that they think both they need a change, but also Casey is really good at many things, but he's a below average in-game and in-series coach, he's slow to make adjustments, afraid to mix things up and he's gets crushed by coaches/stars in the playoffs who just ruthlessly exploit flaws which he never fixes.
 

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I'd guess that they think both they need a change, but also Casey is really good at many things, but he's a below average in-game and in-series coach, he's slow to make adjustments, afraid to mix things up and he's gets crushed by coaches/stars in the playoffs who just ruthlessly exploit flaws which he never fixes.
You couldn't be more correct.

Coach Nick has your back:

 

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Is this real or a joke? I suppose he could try to swing a few of his buddies’ coach votes, but getting a significant number of the 100 media member voters of the real award to forgo any sense of duty to the process seems a stretch. He’s winning that fair and square.

More importantly, how would anyone know ahead of time that he needed protection against a series sweep?

Finally, the only way someone could know this is by asking each of the voters what their motives were. Sounds like pure conjecture on someone’s part.

I heard the same thing. The coaches apparently knew he was in trouble and circle the wagons. Not all of them, but some of them, led by Rick Carlisle.
 

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Thanks for posting. It makes me feel better about the C's chances.
You're welcome. I mean I can take solace in the fact that Brad will better exploit small advantages and turn them into big advantages than Casey was able. That said, the Cavs really do do a great job of getting the exact matchup of what they want on the offensive end and will BEAT it to death. The Sixers sucked at doing the same.
 

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Even though they’ve been together for 5 years, Ujiri inherited Casey. I admire that he stuck with him this long but the team clearly hadn’t had any postseason improvement over the last 3 years. A fresh coach may be able to get more out of this team. It’s a smart gamble as Ujiri isn’t in a position to overhaul the team. That’s mainly because of the contracts that Ujiri gave out but either way, he has to hope for a Jackson>>>Kerr type change for the better.
 

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I'd guess that they think both they need a change, but also Casey is really good at many things, but he's a below average in-game and in-series coach, he's slow to make adjustments, afraid to mix things up and he's gets crushed by coaches/stars in the playoffs who just ruthlessly exploit flaws which he never fixes.
The flip side of this is that the Raptors roster has those flaws built-in. In a seven game series teams need two way players who are flexible enough to take advantage of the weaknesses of opposing players and to make it hard for the other team to create dangerous mismatches. Lowry and DeRozan are basically the exact opposite of that kind of player.
 

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I can't imagine Hammon being a legitimate candidate at this stage of her career after being behind Messina and Borrego on Popovich's assistant tree last season. Pretty obviously a PR move by Milwaukee here but good for Becky to face a live interview process to prepare her for the day if/when she has the credentials to be a Head Coach candidate.
Pau Gasol takes to the Players Tribune to make a detailed case for Becky Hammon as a coach and HC candidate, having played for her for years, and explicitly counters the notion of, among other things, her candidacy being viewed as "a PR move".

It's a good read, it leads with an interesting personal-life story from Gasol.
 

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Great piece, thanks for sharing. I hope she gets her chance.

Worth also noting the pride Gasol shows in the league, which makes a lot of sense: the NBA is just running circles around every other professional sports league when it comes to equality issues. Obviously still a ways to go but so great to see.
 

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Pau Gasol takes to the Players Tribune to make a detailed case for Becky Hammon as a coach and HC candidate, having played for her for years, and explicitly counters the notion of, among other things, her candidacy being viewed as "a PR move".

It's a good read, it leads with an interesting personal-life story from Gasol.
It is a pure PR move because Hammon was a 4th assistant this past season. 4th assistants coming up through the ranks do not get head coaching interviews. She is not a serious candidate for THIS particular job but that isn't to say once she gains greater experience and responsibilities as a 1 or a 2 assistant over the next several years that she won't be a qualified candidate in the future should she succeed in these future roles. My point was that Hammon was not a qualified candidate for a Head Coaching job at the present time for the bolded reasons regardless of sex.....no matter what Gasol says.
 

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If you disagree with what Gasol wrote, I'd invite you to flesh that out with quotes and rebuttals, and I would read it with interest. Your dismissive reply here kinda suggests you didn't even read the article, though.
 

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If you disagree with what Gasol wrote, I'd invite you to flesh that out with quotes and rebuttals, and I would read it with interest. Your dismissive reply here kinda suggests you didn't even read the article, though.
I did read it and it's good stuff. I like a lot of what I hear about Hammons and don't disagree with anything Gasol says. I'm not being dismissive of it at all. I stand by my position that a 4th assistant, the ones who typically coach your summer league team (like Shrewsberry and Jerome Allen the past two summers for the Celtics), are not yet serious NBA Head Coaching candidates without experiencing the rigors of additional responsibilities of being one of the top assistants on your team. With the Spurs losing their two top assistants the door will really be open for Hammons this winter to where next summer she should have a much stronger resume.

Tamika Catchings came out the other day about gender equality in coaching in response to Hammons......this isn't about men vs women at all. It is a coach coming up through the ranks who hasn't gone through the pecking order, or the added responsibilities that come along with it, to yet be a top 1-2 assistant on their team. She may very well be prepared and qualified right now......however proving this by citing evidence/examples during the interview process that don't exist isn't something that this candidate can produce. This is the reason why other head coaches who came up in a similar fashion didn't interview for jobs when they were 4th assistants.
 
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Agree with HRB on this one. I am very excited about the prospect of Hammon head coaching someday but yeah she's a low-rank assistant at SAS and there are many more "qualified" potential coaches ahead of her at this time. From what I gather that will change in time. Hopefully, when her time has come, someone bold (sadly, it will have to be bold) will do the right thing and hire her.
 

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HRB I get where you are coming from but your implication that NBA coaches have to have a few years of seasoning as assistant coaches isn't born out by the facts. Just off the top of my head, Steve Kerr, Jason Kidd, and Derek Fisher all got head coaching jobs without prior NBA coaching experience. Obviously, their situations are not identical to Hammon's, but it does suggest that teams are increasingly looking outside the ranks of established coaches and assistant coaches if they think someone can bring in a fresh approach or are otherwise right for a specific team at a specific time.

None of that is to say that Hammon actually is currently qualified to be an NBA head coach, but I do think it suggests that the Bucks have legitimate interest and her interview is not purely a "PR move."
 

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HRB I get where you are coming from but your implication that NBA coaches have to have a few years of seasoning as assistant coaches isn't born out by the facts. Just off the top of my head, Steve Kerr, Jason Kidd, and Derek Fisher all got head coaching jobs without prior NBA coaching experience. Obviously, their situations are not identical to Hammon's, but it does suggest that teams are increasingly looking outside the ranks of established coaches and assistant coaches if they think someone can bring in a fresh approach or are otherwise right for a specific team at a specific time.

None of that is to say that Hammon actually is currently qualified to be an NBA head coach, but I do think it suggests that the Bucks have legitimate interest and her interview is not purely a "PR move."
I specifically used the term "coming up through the ranks" of the NBA as Hammons and many others are doing. Ex-players who had long NBA careers such as Kerr, Kidd, Fisher (even Stevens and other college head coaches do not apply as comps here) as their background/resume is far different than Hammons and other assistants starting at the bottom and working their way up. Not only are their situations not identical to Hammons......they are not comparable in any way.
 

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I don't think the 30 NBA head coaches are anywhere near the best 30 basketball coaches in the world.

That said, if a team wants to find the best person for the job, I don't think we should be knocking them. Due diligence is a totally acceptable course of action, pedigree be damned.
 

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I specifically used the term "coming up through the ranks" of the NBA as Hammons and many others are doing. Ex-players who had long NBA careers such as Kerr, Kidd, Fisher (even Stevens and other college head coaches do not apply as comps here) as their background/resume is far different than Hammons and other assistants starting at the bottom and working their way up. Not only are their situations not identical to Hammons......they are not comparable in any way.
Hammons is considered to be one of the best WNBA players of all-time. Doesn't that count for something?
 

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Hammons is considered to be one of the best WNBA players of all-time. Doesn't that count for something?
I know this is the argumentative equivalent of willingly walking into quicksand, but . . .

No.

I have a female cousin who played college ball and have been forced to attend a lot of university and WNBA games. Forget all of the BS about dunking; you can play great basketball without ever dunking in your life. The problem is that the womens game is massively deficient in the basics like setting screens, the pick and roll and playing off your teammates' positioning. The WNBA is much better than the collegiate level of womens ball. But it is still nowhere close to the technical sophistication of the NBA.

That does not mean that Hammons isn't qualified to coach an NBA team. But I wouldn't hire her on the basis of her WNBA pedigree.