Kyrie is hurt and we have schadenfreude

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Completely agree. Moved from other thread.

A bit hard to predict return to play from a bad low lateral ankle sprain, as players can often return before the ligaments are fully healed. It's more about getting the swelling down, pain tolerance, and how much you can actually accomplish on the court.

I don't have much of a prediction, but it looked pretty bad and reports were that he was on crutches so I wouldn't be surprised if he misses more than just Game 5. I think Nets would be lucky to have him back in the next 10-14 days.
 

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Agreed with OP. I will not be content until this thread is longer than that one.
 

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Kyrie is one of the most talented -- if not the most talented -- ball handlers in NBA history. He's insanely talented, and there's a reason he's almost universally respected across the league by his peers.

I've been told by my mother to only say good things about people.
 

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Completely agree. Moved from other thread.

A bit hard to predict return to play from a bad low lateral ankle sprain, as players can often return before the ligaments are fully healed. It's more about getting the swelling down, pain tolerance, and how much you can actually accomplish on the court.

I don't have much of a prediction, but it looked pretty bad and reports were that he was on crutches so I wouldn't be surprised if he misses more than just Game 5. I think Nets would be lucky to have him back in the next 10-14 days.
Crutches means nothing. You do not walk on even a minor ankle sprain for the first tw0 days. If I had known that in the 80s I would be a much happier man today.
 

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Kyrie is one of the most talented -- if not the most talented -- ball handlers in NBA history. He's insanely talented, and there's a reason he's almost universally respected across the league by his peers.
I feel fortunate that I can just appreciate how good he is at what he does and separate that from the rest of the stuff.
 

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Very unLucky for Kyrie to injure his right ankle. Is this the third or fourth season that he got hurt and missed games in the playoffs?
 

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Very unLucky for Kyrie to injure his right ankle. Is this the third or fourth season that he got hurt and missed games in the playoffs?
3rd out of the last 4.

In the one he was healthy he completely quit on his team and started randomly freelancing on defense in one of the most forgotten bizarre performances ever.
 

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3rd out of the last 4.

In the one he was healthy he completely quit on his team and started randomly freelancing on defense in one of the most forgotten bizarre performances ever.
Hardly seems forgotten 'round these parts.
 

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3rd out of the last 4.

In the one he was healthy he completely quit on his team and started randomly freelancing on defense in one of the most forgotten bizarre performances ever.
It is exceptionally disappointing not one story about his charges of racism, his logo stomp, even touched on how terribly he played his last playoffs with the Celtics. Even something like ,"Irving who missed 67 of 104 shots in his last series...' or 'Kyrie who went 6-21 in his last game as a Celtic charges..."
 

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I wish I could forget it.
But on the other hand, it is exactly such memories that make the current schadenfreude so tasty.

I wish no harm or injury on anyone, let along someone who makes their living based upon athleticism.

Having said that, I am not beyond enjoying the Nets crashing and burning. I do believe that the Celtics would have another 3 or so championships without injuries. (KG, rondo, Shaq, and even more tragic ones.)
 

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It's going to be hilarious when Brooklyn trades Kyrie to the Pelicans for Bledsoe, Adams, NAW, and the 10th pick in the draft. And funnier still when Irving destroys his third team in five years when Zion gets fed up and demands a trade.
 

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Kyrie has missed 33 of 103 playoff games over his career to injury, 32%, compared to the 27% of regular season games he has missed. His teams are 11-2 in playoff series when he doesn’t miss a game, 3-6 when he is injured, which includes 1-3 when he is injured mid-playoffs. His teams were eliminated with him healthy and playing only twice, when he punted the Bucks series to end his Celtics career, and when the Warriors won the 2017 title in five games. Of the seven years his teams have made the playoffs in his ten year career, one title, four seasons where he was out of service when eliminated.

The clutch jumper that secured the title in game seven at Golden State somewhat masks how problematic he is to a team with championship aspiration. Watching the Nets crash and burn so spectacularly, after three of their starters douched over their teams to take the (perceived, for this season) easy way out to a title, and join the King of the Easy Path, was the most enjoyable non-Celtic NBA moment since Ralph Sampson eliminated the Lakers in the final second.

Hopefully the Celtics will ascend and beat him and his super friends in the playoffs next season, with Kylie actually being healthy enough to play.
 

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Kyrie has missed 33 of 103 playoff games over his career to injury, 32%, compared to the 27% of regular season games he has missed. His teams are 11-2 in playoff series when he doesn’t miss a game, 3-6 when he is injured, which includes 1-3 when he is injured mid-playoffs. His teams were eliminated with him healthy and playing only twice, when he punted the Bucks series to end his Celtics career, and when the Warriors won the 2017 title in five games. Of the seven years his teams have made the playoffs in his ten year career, one title, four seasons where he was out of service when eliminated.

The clutch jumper that secured the title in game seven at Golden State somewhat masks how problematic he is to a team with championship aspiration. Watching the Nets crash and burn so spectacularly, after three of their starters douched over their teams to take the (perceived, for this season) easy way out to a title, and join the King of the Easy Path, was the most enjoyable non-Celtic NBA moment since Ralph Sampson eliminated the Lakers in the final second.

Hopefully the Celtics will ascend and beat him and his super friends in the playoffs next season, with Kylie actually being healthy enough to play.
Yeah, the physical and mental fragility is very real, and has to be significantly priced in to the Nets' odds going forward.

After seeing how ridiculously dominant KD is (pretty clearly the best player in the game now, and I don't think it's that close), the Nets have to be thinking about moving Kyrie for someone more complementary and robust. Not sure whether Durant would allow that though.
 

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The only surprise for me was that Kyrie deigned to show up for Game 7 to cheer his teammates on.

I guess he couldn't get an appointment of Saturday night to have his teeth, nails or hair done.
 

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After seeing how ridiculously dominant KD is (pretty clearly the best player in the game now, and I don't think it's that close)
And our young Jayson Tatum, age 19 IIRC, stood toe to toe with KD and held his own (except for the game where Durant eye gouged him, and for a few minutes after KD chopped Tatum in the throat). Too bad things didn’t go better for the Cs health wise this season. They could have been the team pounding the stake into the Nets in the second round instead of the Bucks.
 

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Kyrie has missed 33 of 103 playoff games over his career to injury, 32%, compared to the 27% of regular season games he has missed. His teams are 11-2 in playoff series when he doesn’t miss a game, 3-6 when he is injured, which includes 1-3 when he is injured mid-playoffs. His teams were eliminated with him healthy and playing only twice, when he punted the Bucks series to end his Celtics career, and when the Warriors won the 2017 title in five games. Of the seven years his teams have made the playoffs in his ten year career, one title, four seasons where he was out of service when eliminated.

The clutch jumper that secured the title in game seven at Golden State somewhat masks how problematic he is to a team with championship aspiration. Watching the Nets crash and burn so spectacularly, after three of their starters douched over their teams to take the (perceived, for this season) easy way out to a title, and join the King of the Easy Path, was the most enjoyable non-Celtic NBA moment since Ralph Sampson eliminated the Lakers in the final second.

Hopefully the Celtics will ascend and beat him and his super friends in the playoffs next season, with Kylie actually being healthy enough to play.
The Lakers and Nets not making the conference finals makes for fantastic viewing for me and many other Boston-based neutrals. Even Philly doesn't bother me that much. Going to enjoy the rest of the playoffs greatly; its great to have new star players and new teams getting to compete for a title.
 
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Philly is not quite at the level of the Lakers or Kyrie-Nets, but given the history I reflexively could not root for them. Hawks or Bucks are fine, and either team out of the West.

The media can't be happy. Both of the teams they relentlessly pumped are out.
 

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Philly has always been a close 1-b to the Lakers 1-a in my NBA sports hate.

I'm all in for the Hawks tonight, though I sense Cinderella might get roughed up at the ball tonight.

In the West give me the Suns. I've got nothing against the Sons of Bob McAdoo, other than the LA part, but the Suns gave me a lot of joy and a game for the ages in '76 and them finally notching their belt is ok with me.
 

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And our young Jayson Tatum, age 19 IIRC, stood toe to toe with KD and held his own (except for the game where Durant eye gouged him, and for a few minutes after KD chopped Tatum in the throat). Too bad things didn’t go better for the Cs health wise this season. They could have been the team pounding the stake into the Nets in the second round instead of the Bucks.
Still focused on this, have no rooting interest in anyone left over, 'cept maybe the outside chance the Hawks get by the Sixers tonight.
 

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Yeah, the physical and mental fragility is very real, and has to be significantly priced in to the Nets' odds going forward.

After seeing how ridiculously dominant KD is (pretty clearly the best player in the game now, and I don't think it's that close), the Nets have to be thinking about moving Kyrie for someone more complementary and robust. Not sure whether Durant would allow that though.
Maybe the Nets can trade Kyrir for Westbrook and have OKC 2012.
 

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Philly has always been a close 1-b to the Lakers 1-a in my NBA sports hate.

I'm all in for the Hawks tonight, though I sense Cinderella might get roughed up at the ball tonight.

In the West give me the Suns. I've got nothing against the Sons of Bob McAdoo, other than the LA part, but the Suns gave me a lot of joy and a game for the ages in '76 and them finally notching their belt is ok with me.
Once you take out both centers, the Philly players aren't that hateable. And if you don't count the Lakers schadenfreude in the Clippers success, I'd probably prefer them to LAC, especially based on where Doc presently is.

Hopefully the Deerhawks and the Suns make this moot.
 

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I don’t hate Embiid at all. I like Embiid but don’t really like Philly teams. Doc can still suck ...an egg for the way he quit on Celtics.
 

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I hate Embiid, just not as much as Howard

But I found something else that I hate about the 76ers:

The "welcome to Comcast Country"
 

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Once you take out both centers, the Philly players aren't that hateable. And if you don't count the Lakers schadenfreude in the Clippers success, I'd probably prefer them to LAC, especially based on where Doc presently is.

Hopefully the Deerhawks and the Suns make this moot.
Are the Philly centers you refer to Wilt and Moses? I've sports hated Philly a long time. They're my least likeable team left in the tourney.
 

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Are the Philly centers you refer to Wilt and Moses? I've sports hated Philly a long time. They're my least likeable team left in the tourney.
Embiid and Howard

Moses was a tiny bit before my time, and as far as I heard, he wasn't as hateable as Toney.

But yes, I will be rooting against them every game they have left. Hopefully they're out tonight.

I hate the Flyers and Ph Eagles a lot more than the Sixers.
 

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Are the Philly centers you refer to Wilt and Moses? I've sports hated Philly a long time. They're my least likeable team left in the tourney.
Same. Moses, Erving, Cheeks, Dawkins, Barkley. My sports hate for the 76ers started at a young age and will take more than a lifetime to shake.
 

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Embiid and Howard

Moses was a tiny bit before my time, and as far as I heard, he wasn't as hateable as Toney.

But yes, I will be rooting against them every game they have left. Hopefully they're out tonight.

I hate the Flyers and Ph Eagles a lot more than the Sixers.
AX-I knew you were talking about the current team. I was putting my sports hate for Philly into a timeline that goes back a few years.

76ers guards in the 80s, Cheeks, Toney, Hollins, were headaches, but Larry told Moses to eat shit, so there's that.

It was a pretty good rivalry
 

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AX-I knew you were talking about the current team. I was putting my sports hate for Philly into a timeline that goes back a few years.

76ers guards in the 80s, Cheeks, Toney, Hollins, were headaches, but Larry told Moses to eat shit, so there's that.
It's funny, because I hated those 80's 6ers teams, but not many of the players were particularly hateable. I mean, Mo Cheeks? Bobby Jones? Dr J? I never really hated Malone either. But put them together, and yuck.
 

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It's funny, because I hated those 80's 6ers teams, but not many of the players were particularly hateable. I mean, Mo Cheeks? Bobby Jones? Dr J? I never really hated Malone either. But put them together, and yuck.
I think you mean *Mix* them together. He was the original Laimbeer, IIRC.
 

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There is a real argument that says that Harden/Irving/Durant is an unnecessary triumvirate when it comes to having three perimeter scorers, and the resources used (both money and playing time) would be better purposed by upgrading role players or finding another star who has a different skill-set, like a really good big man. If you were going to get rid of one of those guys, you would obviously pick Kyrie.

The thing about those three though is that while having all three at full-health is perhaps too much of a good thing, the reality is that Durant and Kyrie are not durable players, and while Harden has been over the course of his career, he was injured this year, getting older and doesn't really take care of his body the way a lot of peak NBA players do. Having Durant/Kyrie/Harden is valuable in that you can withstand losing one of them (unless it is Durant) and still probably win the title.
 

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LOLOLOLOL

https://apple.news/AMfkMPwRgRy2X0cC9o8j8jA

Edit: BR with an article saying the Nets GM might want to move on from Kyrie.
I mean, the actual quote is:
Sullivan, who goes behind the scenes with the Nets in his new book Can't Knock the Hustle, added that Brooklyn general manager Sean Marks "would maybe, possibly, apparently be willing to at least listen to a trade offer for Kyrie this offseason."
Which, yeah, of course, because as Kliq points out there could be ways to use Kyrie's value more efficiently, such as by finding a big man or, perhaps, a starter and a very solid bench player, etc. But it probably depends on what the Nets think about how dealing Kyrie would mean for Durant re-signing there after next year.
 

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Or it could mean that Marks realizes that Kyrie is a flaming douche bag and is way more about himself than the team.

The two ideas, team building and Kryie as the quintessential turd in the punch bowl, are not mutually exclusive.
 

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The biggest thing Kyrie has in his favor is that it might upset Durant. The latter just has a player option after this season and there is no return for Kyrie that would justify pissing off Durant in what is essentially a contract year.
 

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The biggest thing Kyrie has in his favor is that it might upset Durant. The latter just has a player option after this season and there is no return for Kyrie that would justify pissing off Durant in what is essentially a contract year.
Maybe they can make it a three way deal and import Kev’s buddy Al in the process? ;)