Happy Maye Day

j44thor

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Ignore the chart for QB trades
If they really want MHJ they stick and pick, if they want a top 3 WR and assets they can do much better than a 3rd.

The idea of trading out of three then up to 4 just doesn't make sense unless you overpay by so much ARI can't decline.

Edit-yeah I think the problem is you are using the chart... It's useless for QB trades into the top of the draft, look to past trades.. MIA/SF was something like 3 1sts and a 3rd for a similar move, 11 to 4 would likely cost 23 and at least 1 other premium pick.
What is funny about the Trey Lance trade is that almost all the picks were future year picks. They only gave up 12th and a 3rd in the draft year, the rest of the picks were following years. Given that SF ended up NFC Champs and runner up NFC champs those picks ended up late 20s and the final trade results was incredibly even. While it seemed like a massive overpay, when you discount future year picks combined with how low they ended up being you can make the argument MIA didn't get quite enough. This is the danger of any MN trade that involves future yr picks.
 

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AZ is only getting a bag if another team values McCarthy about as much as they do Maye. I'm not sure MN values them that closely as they seem to be much more interested in Maye.
sure but you're not really creating a very reasonable scenario because in order for it to work you need:
1. The Patriots to like JJ McCarthy enough to spend a top pick on him, but not enough to draft him at #3 to avoid a possibility of losing him.
2. NYG to be willing to give a big bag to move up to #3 for Maye (and you are sure they want Maye)
3. The Cardinals to be willing to not get MHJ
4. No other team in the whole draft to want JJ McCarthy anywhere near as much as the Patriots and be willing to trade to #4.
5. The Cardinals are willing to trade down to #6 for a minor price.
6. The Cardinals willing to agree to the trade BEFORE they're on the clock, thereby passing on the extra leverage to get best and final offers from other teams.

That is a lot of things that need to happen, and they have to happen with all parties involved having imperfect knowledge. Patriots can't trade down if the goal is McCarthy without an agreement from ARI, and ARI has no incentive to make that agreement before they are on the clock because they won't truly know what they can get elsewhere.

The big flaw i the whole thing is assuming that moving from 3 to 4 is worth a lot more than moving from 6 to 4 when both are spots to take QBs. If you think a QB is worth #4, expect to pay up for him. And ARI knows you're trading up to #4 not because you are afraid of LAC or ARI taking your QB... but that other teams are going to leapfrog you.
 

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Huh? Who was 2 and 3?
Penix and Nix. Rattler and Maye ended up with very similar grades. Waldman is just one of many who grade draft prospects, but he is pretty highly regarded. He’s certainly not infallible or to be taken as gospel though, but he does have me hoping the Pats trade back.
 

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Penix and Nix. Rattler and Maye ended up with very similar grades. Waldman is just one of many who grade draft prospects, but he is pretty highly regarded. He’s certainly not infallible or to be taken as gospel though, but he does have me hoping the Pats trade back.
If I remember Waldman has a very heavy focus on fantasy football, so he tends to like finished products far more than multi-year projections.
 

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Penix and Nix. Rattler and Maye ended up with very similar grades. Waldman is just one of many who grade draft prospects, but he is pretty highly regarded. He’s certainly not infallible or to be taken as gospel though, but he does have me hoping the Pats trade back.
Penix and Nix ahead of Maye and Daniels? Not infallible for sure.
 

ehaz

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BB critiqued the weaknesses of just about every pick in the draft, especially QBs.

After all that, Maye was still the #5 overall player on BB’s big board. Not sure where the narrative that he hates the guy is coming from.
 

Cellar-Door

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BB critiqued the weaknesses of just about every pick in the draft, especially QBs.

After all that, Maye was still the #5 overall player on BB’s big board. Not sure where the narrative that he hates the guy is coming from.
yeah, Bill's takeaway final line was "he can make all the throws, but he needs to be more consistent".... Bill is incredibly rough on QBs in his analysis.
 

Justthetippett

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yeah, Bill's takeaway final line was "he can make all the throws, but he needs to be more consistent".... Bill is incredibly rough on QBs in his analysis.
To be fair, this is probably what he was telling Brady in year 18, so not a death sentence for Maye's career.
 

boca

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BB critiqued the weaknesses of just about every pick in the draft, especially QBs.

After all that, Maye was still the #5 overall player on BB’s big board. Not sure where the narrative that he hates the guy is coming from.
That was Field Yates big board not Bill's.