ESPN: How the Gruden email leaks led to Dan Snyder's downfall

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Are there any owners left who actively have an issue with Goodell? I feel like even Jerruh has relented on his dislike for him. Mark Davis has beef, but Goodell helped the Vegas move happen, so I expect he's as close to neutral as a Davis could be.
 

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This just in - a final kick in the balls for Snyder on his way out the door. Or maybe at his level of wealth, a light tap on the balls.

"The NFL has fined now former Washington Commanders owner Daniel Snyder $60 million connected to allegations of misconduct and financial improprieties made by former team employees, the league announced Thursday, just after the league announced the sale of the team to a group led by Josh Harris."

https://theathletic.com/4707844/2023/07/20/dan-snyder-fine-60-million?source=user-shared-article
 

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GJGE, Roger. Does Snyder just pass that bill onto Harris now?

This sale is a great thing. But the fact that Snyder gets to go away with a 700% profit in his $800M investment is just totally depressing.

Maybe someone can sink his superyacht in the Mediterranean somewhere.
 

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GJGE, Roger. Does Snyder just pass that bill onto Harris now?

This sale is a great thing. But the fact that Snyder gets to go away with a 700% profit in his $800M investment is just totally depressing.

Maybe someone can sink his superyacht in the Mediterranean somewhere.
I wonder if the NFL can deduct that amount from what Harris has to pay Snyder and then ask Harris to pay the amount to the NFL.

Edit: The AP claims Snyder has "agreed to pay" the $60m.
 
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GJGE, Roger. Does Snyder just pass that bill onto Harris now?

This sale is a great thing. But the fact that Snyder gets to go away with a 700% profit in his $800M investment is just totally depressing.

Maybe someone can sink his superyacht in the Mediterranean somewhere.
Donald Sterling reaped an even larger windfall when he sold the Clippers — $6b for the Commanders seems a lot closer to fair value now than $2b for the Clippers did 9 years ago. From the incoming owner’s perspective, there’s a lot to be said for succeeding a hated person; the selling owner, ironically, benefits from being hated.

It sucks, but I don’t know what can be done about it.
 

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This just in - a final kick in the balls for Snyder on his way out the door. Or maybe at his level of wealth, a light tap on the balls.

"The NFL has fined now former Washington Commanders owner Daniel Snyder $60 million connected to allegations of misconduct and financial improprieties made by former team employees, the league announced Thursday, just after the league announced the sale of the team to a group led by Josh Harris."

https://theathletic.com/4707844/2023/07/20/dan-snyder-fine-60-million?source=user-shared-article
I mean, does this even matter? Snyder is walking away with a cool couple of billion in his pocket and the NFL is skimming a small cut off the top.

They also didn’t do shit about it while he was in power and announced it on his way out the door.
 

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The league confirming that Snyder was cooking the books seems like it should be a bigger deal.
 

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No one should be depressed. This was Snyder's life work and it was an absolute, complete failure. You can't put a price on that.
Indeed. From all accounts, "owner of the Washington football team" was central to his entire identity. There were accounts of how he pathetically tried to join the owners' meetings while he technically had ceded control to his wife, and was rebuffed. Now he has a lot of money but no one respects him. It's about as good an ending you could hope for since he was always going to be rich from the sale.

Some people are so poor, all they have is money.
 

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Seriously. What's even the point of having $6B if you can't own your favorite sports team?
Maybe he’ll buy a social media platform or start launching things into space.

Those seem to be the only other outlets for having more money than you can possibly spend in one lifetime.
 

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i would be the NFL Worse nightmare if i own the broncos
1 i would build a new stadium with no pubilc money
2 i would pay the highest $ for coaches no coaches cap
3 i wouild try to get on agents good side so that their top players would listen to us first
one of my faveor owners of all time is eddie D SF 79-98
and to be fair so far the waltons are doing a good job
so i guess my backup team wouild be Jax or maybe sea
i wouild joke with jerry or his son hey if we meet in the super bowl they can call it the arkansas bowl
 

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Re: article—

“Neither the NFL nor the commissioner leaked Coach Gruden's offensive emails," McCarthy told ESPN.
-> that is not a denial.

Reed Smith has a lot of money-over-principles vipers. Much worse than your average BigLaw firm.

attorney Beth Wilkinson's investigation into the franchise. The previous summer, he had hired Wilkinson to look into the team, a move to keep the league office at arm's distance. But the league quickly had assumed control of Wilkinson's inquiry and quietly struck an accord with Snyder's team -- "a common interest agreement" that the owner and the league would share all evidence and material collected and that neither the NFL nor Snyder would release any information from the inquiry without the other's consent.

Haha lol the first rule of BigLaw “independent”’ investigation is that the people who retain them always get vindicated (99.9%). Once the league “assumed control” Snyder should have known how this would go
 

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Re: article—

“Neither the NFL nor the commissioner leaked Coach Gruden's offensive emails," McCarthy told ESPN.
-> that is not a denial.

Reed Smith has a lot of money-over-principles vipers. Much worse than your average BigLaw firm.




Haha lol the first rule of BigLaw “independent”’ investigation is that the people who retain them always get vindicated (99.9%). Once the league “assumed control” Snyder should have known how this would go
The Reed Smith lawyer being named Siev is a nice touch.
 

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Re: article—

“Neither the NFL nor the commissioner leaked Coach Gruden's offensive emails," McCarthy told ESPN.
-> that is not a denial.

Reed Smith has a lot of money-over-principles vipers. Much worse than your average BigLaw firm.




Haha lol the first rule of BigLaw “independent”’ investigation is that the people who retain them always get vindicated (99.9%). Once the league “assumed control” Snyder should have known how this would go
We'll never know but I doubt it was the investigation that got Snyder, it was cooking the books. Cheating your business partners out of money is never a good thing.
 

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He had an even worse run than the Sullivans did with the Patriots. That is impressive.
He had a worse run than the Sullivans and Victor Kiam combined.

Stepien, Sterling, Snyder. Who's the 4th on Mount Trashmore?
 

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Snyder made the playoffs in only 6 of the 24 years he owned the team. That's impressive in its futility, especially given how much he interfered with football operations.
Do we think Snyder was behind Shanahan playing a hobbled RG3 in that playoff game and ruining his career? Shanny always seemed like kind of a hardass but even at the time that made no sense at all given everything they’d given up for him. If Snyder was in his ear desperate for a playoff win; it begins to maybe add up a little.
 

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Do we think Snyder was behind Shanahan playing a hobbled RG3 in that playoff game and ruining his career? Shanny always seemed like kind of a hardass but even at the time that made no sense at all given everything they’d given up for him. If Snyder was in his ear desperate for a playoff win; it begins to maybe add up a little.
I honestly do not know, perhaps someone on the board who is a fan of the team can chime in. It sounds like a very typical Snyder thing to do but I don't know if that's actually the case.
 

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ESPN’s Don Van Natta told Rich Eisen that another name change is on the table. I’d go back to Football Team, it had potential.
I think it's telling how Harris and even Gibbs in that video above is using the word "Commanders" as sparingly as possible.

They're still going to have the same problem that Snyder had -- there's not a name out there that's really going to work. Although Football Team was fun.

What kind of dog is this sitting next to Turk Edwards? That could be cool.

 

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They're still going to have the same problem that Snyder had -- there's not a name out there that's really going to work. Although Football Team was fun.
Come on. There is a name that will work. Because there are a lot of possible names. (Wild Hogs, Senators, Diplomats, whatever) And no matter if the name is good or bad, it will stick and people will get just get used to it.

And I also loved The Washington Football Team, but only because Dan Snyder was the owner and that is the perfect name for a team he owned.
 

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By that logic, they can just ride out Commanders, no?
They could but that would mean they are continuing Snyder's legacy. And obviously they do not want to do that. For approximately a million reasons.

The Commanders isn't a bad name. But it's Snyder's name. Ergo, it's gotta fucking go, just like he did.
 

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I like Hogs. Fans and sportswriters are always shortening names. Astros - ‘stros, Red Sox - Sox, with the Hogs we might get Hos.
 

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Longtime Washington fan. My dad for some unknown reason (he was from Ireland and grew up in the Bronx) was a huge WFT fan. I, of course, loved the NEP - my sports fandom comes from the maternal side of the family - thank God - and I was born in Maine. But growing up in VA and with zero national coverage, I almost NEVER saw the Pats play. In those days, there were 3 games on Sunday, plus Mon night. So, naturally, I gravitated to the WFT since they were on every Sunday. Plus, my Dad loved them. In the 80's, DC was a great place to be a football fan. RFK stadium was insane - the team wasn't just good, they were the blueprint for a successful, classy organization. Joe Gibbs was revered. When they lost (rarely, in those days) - the whole town would mourn for days. I remember celebrating in Georgetown after the 2nd SB v Elway and the Broncos. I had season tix for years. Finally, I just couldn't take it. I have paid almost zero attention to the franchise in the past 5-7 years. Of course the BB/Brady years have tempered a lot of that heartache and I'm not sure I would even care about another team in DC but...who knows? I'm still in NOVA (I fucking HATE the Ravens) and I do remember with fondness the salad days of the burgundy and gold.

I heard an interesting conversation at the gym yesterday. ESPN was reporting the story of the sale on the locker room TV. Wilbon and Kornheiser (erstwhile WaPo reporters) were discussing the sale and the idea of a name change came about amongst the 15 or so middle aged gym rats milling around. Someone asked - "Will they go back to the Redskins?" The consensus was pretty universal that "No they won't, but they should". I was on my way to work and didn't really wanna engage (I hesitate to even bring this up here!) so I hurried to leave when someone asked the room a pretty interesting question: "Can an offensive word or slur ever be rehabilitated?"

I left and drove to work but the question (not Y/N, good/bad, slur or not - it undoubtedly IS) stuck with me. It's an interesting etymology question, is it not? Can a term outlive it's offensiveness or become so anachronistic that it's meaning changes entirely despite the genesis of it's usage? I don't know - but it certainly piqued my interest. Or am I just overanalyzing some dumbass q that been asked and answered a million times?

Count me in for the "old" WFT (I like WFC better, actually) name and unis. RedTails is my #2 choice. Pigskins could work too, I guess. Can keep the Hogs tradition.
 

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I heard an interesting conversation at the gym yesterday. ESPN was reporting the story of the sale on the locker room TV. Wilbon and Kornheiser (erstwhile WaPo reporters) were discussing the sale and the idea of a name change came about amongst the 15 or so middle aged gym rats milling around. Someone asked - "Will they go back to the Redskins?" The consensus was pretty universal that "No they won't, but they should". I was on my way to work and didn't really wanna engage (I hesitate to even bring this up here!) so I hurried to leave when someone asked the room a pretty interesting question: "Can an offensive word or slur ever be rehabilitated?"
Not sure how much it means but a couple of my Navajo friends were harder-core Skins fans than I was, and I was pretty big. They couldn't care less about the name, sorta took a pride in it.

Also, Football Team turned into such a great name, I would love to see it again. Even with the Snyder stink attached to it -- that will dissipate after the first solid season.
 

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I like Hogs. Fans and sportswriters are always shortening names. Astros - ‘stros, Red Sox - Sox, with the Hogs we might get Hos.
I always thought Hogs was the best choice. It’s tied to team history so the older fans can get behind it and I think it’s catchy.

Unless they want to go with Diplomats, go short hand of The ‘Mats, and have Paul Westerberg and co. kick off the new era.
 

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I never got Football Team and thought it was extremely stupid. That said, it was an improvement. Commanders is another improvement but generic and boring.
 

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I'm in favor of Red Tails since it allows them to bring back all of the old R*dskins songs, cheers, etc. with a simple replacement. "Hail to the Red Tails" has a nice internal rhyme too.

Commanders is just a terrible name. Even WFT is better.
 

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Washington Football Team is a great name for a DC football team. Probably wouldn’t work anywhere else, but it feels no-nonsense, no-frills, almost bureaucratic.
 

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Washington Non Representors in honor of the "taxation without representation" motto.
Washington Fifty Ones to help push the state status (as if Goodell would allow any social pushes which aren't trial-ballooned for 10 years prior!)
Washington Natinals to mock the baseball team (this works only in seasons when the Nationals are better than the football team).

Kinda real suggestions:
Washington Potomacs would perhaps "properly" give a nod to Native Americans while at the same time be named after a former Negro League baseball team.
Washington Monuments - this is kind of a layup if you don't think of George Washington the person, warts and all (ahem, slave-owner), from this name. Great the nickname for dominant offensive lines have been "the Hogs", but isn't "Monuments" a more intimidating nickname?
Washington (Road) Warriors - In line with the attitude of the "taxation without representation" and being at the center of the operation of the country when seemingly not respected as a state.
 

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Washington Football Team is a great name for a DC football team. Probably wouldn’t work anywhere else, but it feels no-nonsense, no-frills, almost bureaucratic.
If you're really going for the bureaucratic beltway vibe, it only works as an acronym.