#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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He's out of his mind.
 
I was out all afternoon, so I'm a little behind. Just watched the PC--there was a line that went something like, "There are some other issues surrounding this that we want answer on, but that's for a different day."
 
Anyone hear that? When I heard that I was thinking that BB, after talking to some other teams, may have found out that someone tried to dime the Pats out.
 

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I think you're reading too much into it.  I envision a meeting between the triumvirate of Kraft, Bill, and Tom sometime on Monday going something like this:
 
Kraft: Lay it all on the table.  Are we guilty or not guilty?
Bill:  I'm not sure. Tom?
Tom: Not guilty.
Kraft: Okay, this is turning into a shit storm, so let's come up with a plan.
Bill: Let' me talk to my physics prof buddy to come up with the plausible scenarios.
Tom: In the meantime, can the equipment manager use some of our interns to start running experiments on footballs?
Kraft: Great idea.  I'll handle communication with the league office, and in a couple days we'll need to start thinking about how we address the scheduled press conferences.
 
You're underestimating BB's preparation.  I think he likely said something like:
 
"Let me ask Ernie how this all works.  He looked at it all back in '04, around the time he was talking to those mathematicians and economists about 4th down and 2 point conversions and all that.  I never had time to talk to him about it...but he'll know how this all works.  I think it's next to that thing he put together on using the gravitational pull of passing meteors to adjust field goal decisions"
 

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johnmd20 said:
That is a great column. I did make the mIstake of reading some comments. People are duuuuuuuuub.
Wetzel's really great. I didn't know Yahoo has him do NFL playoff stuff after the college season is over, but I've read a lot of his college stuff and it's top notch. 
 

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"Robert Boyle and Edme Mariotte would like to apologize to the NFL and the national media for its involvement in this weeks horrific scandal"
 
 
 

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A huge lack of awareness there. It's not Belichick v. NFL, it's Belichick v. the Media, as it always has been. The League is just reacting to the public reaction (which is spineless and deplorable), but the real culprit here is an irresponsible, idiotic media reaction.
 
This pretty much nails it. Just like when the team was struggling earlier in the year, its an opportunity for them to sink their teeth in and go after a man most of them despise. I mean for fuck sakes, bringing up Spygate, 8 years later in reference to this shit? I'd also say that, given how often coaches and/or players react to the media and freak out on them, for Bill to keep his composure in spite of all this and not lose his shit is just remarkable.
 

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Two points before I go:
 
  1. Honestly, the whole press conference was amazing, from his explanation of science in layman's terms to his grilling of Tom Curran, but his reaction to SpyGate might be my favorite part of the whole thing.  It's like "I just told you why this whole scandal is bullshit. Remember that other scandal that you can't shut up about?  Well, that was bullshit too."
  2. I love the thought of Goodell holding an emergency conference call this afternoon with his huge team of high priced lawyers and experts.  "Okay people, what do we have?" <crickets>
     
 

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djbayko said:
 
  1. I love the thought of Goodell holding an emergency conference call this afternoon with his huge team of high priced lawyers and experts.  "Okay people, what do we have?" <crickets>
     
 
 
I picture it looking something close to this:
 
 

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Former LB Chad Brown was on tv from Denver (CNN?) earlier today. Belongs on the whitelist.
 

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I was out all afternoon, so I'm a little behind. Just watched the PC--there was a line that went something like, "There are some other issues surrounding this that we want answer on, but that's for a different day."
 
Here it is:
 
 
We welcome the league’s investigation into this matter. I think there are a number of things that need to be looked into on a number of levels, but that’s not for this conversation. I’m sure it will be taken up at another point in time.
 
Reading between the lines, he's alluding to things like:
  • how this was reported to the league
  • how the initial investigation and subsequent information that fueled the media fire storm was leaked to the press
  • how the league handled the situation - leaving its most prestigious franchise out floating in the wind.
On fucking Super Bowl bye week...taking away precious time and resources from their preparation.
 

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ragnarok725 said:
 
A huge lack of awareness there. It's not Belichick v. NFL, it's Belichick v. the Media, as it always has been. The League is just reacting to the public reaction (which is spineless and deplorable), but the real culprit here is an irresponsible, idiotic media reaction.
 
While this is true to a certain extent, the League not getting out in front of this gives the media so much leash to say whatever they want. The lack of anything but a press release from the NFL leave the team twisting in the wind. This is not the first time they've been silent on an issue and let the media go nuts over it. 
 

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ragnarok725 said:
 
A huge lack of awareness there. It's not Belichick v. NFL, it's Belichick v. the Media, as it always has been. The League is just reacting to the public reaction (which is spineless and deplorable), but the real culprit here is an irresponsible, idiotic media reaction.
I disagree – at most Belichick is irritated by the media because they make his job more tiresome. He knows they're just doing their jobs and their job is to generate clicks. You could see that he doesn't have any real animosity for the likes of Curran. The League OTOH has now twice (and probably more) blown scandals out of proportion and harmed Belichick's reputation for small, petty reasons.

His ire is squarely focused on them.
 

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Infield Infidel said:
 
While this is true to a certain extent, the League not getting out in front of this gives the media so much leash to say whatever they want. The lack of anything but a press release from the NFL leave the team twisting in the wind. This is not the first time they've been silent on an issue and let the media go nuts over it. 
 
List of stories the NFL has gotten out in front of under Roger:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Harry Hooper said:
 
List of stories the NFL has gotten out in front of under Roger:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Exactly.
 
He could have positioned Spygate where it was on the merits---a technical violation of a recently changed rule.  He didn't and most of an NFL season became consumed by it.

He could have addressed Bountygate sooner, and done so in a way that was balanced in punishments.  He didn't, and they had to bring his predecessor in to fix it.
 
He could have gotten the Rice investigation done correctly the first time and come out with one, defensible ruling.  He didn't, and after blowing the initial investigation he blew the follow-up and an arbitrator slapped him down.
 
This is a guy who is in over his head and we shouldn't expect he suddenly developed the smarts and experience to handle a difficult situation. His career speaks only to sucking up, and his track record as commissioner speaks only to misunderstanding how adults manage situations.
 

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I disagree – at most Belichick is irritated by the media because they make his job more tiresome. He knows they're just doing their jobs and their job is to generate clicks. You could see that he doesn't have any real animosity for the likes of Curran. The League OTOH has now twice (and probably more) blown scandals out of proportion and harmed Belichick's reputation for small, petty reasons.

His ire is squarely focused on them.
 
I suppose you can take your pick between the two. The NFL is initiating investigations and not giving the media anything beyond that, so conclusions are rushed to.
 
But at the same time, the media are the ones that actually rush to the conclusions, and publish/promote them. They're the ones that initiate and perpetuate the scandal. The only reason this happens is because the media wants to write these pieces about Belichick and the Pats anyway. It wouldn't work with any other franchise. The amount of unfounded, baseless commentary that goes on when this happens is squarely a product of our fucked up sports media (or media in general, really). If you want to treat that like a given, then maybe you're going to look to the NFL. I'm not sure I'm willing to give up holding them responsible, though.
 

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I don't know if anyone posted this but Bomani Jones is the smartest guy at ESPN and is basically always on point
 
https://twitter.com/bomani_jones/status/559083365601927168
 

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When I suggested a few pages ago the "this has hurt the Pats" story hadn't landed yet?   Now it has.
 
The Pats PR strategy today was beyond masterful.  Let's hope it pales in comparison to the game plan for Sunday
 

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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
 
Curran is a good writer and he and BB actually get along well. Just because BB blasted him one today doesn't mean that essential equation has changed.
 
Yep, and it's refreshing that Curran was able to poke fun at himself in that piece.  99% of writers would've been butthurt vindictive losers about it. 
 

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PedroKsBambino said:
 
You're underestimating BB's preparation.  I think he likely said something like:
 
"Let me ask Ernie how this all works.  He looked at it all back in '04, around the time he was talking to those mathematicians and economists about 4th down and 2 point conversions and all that.  I never had time to talk to him about it...but he'll know how this all works.  I think it's next to that thing he put together on using the gravitational pull of passing meteors to adjust field goal decisions"
 
You are correct - 100% BB. But it would play out in the context of Bill gathering everyone involved, asking questions, getting half answers full of maybe's and could be's, and then absolutely exploding and demanding hard data. All that science wasn't just an attempt to get a plausible story. Bill needed to know it was true in his core, and only data and multiple run-throughs would give him that. This issue was treated like a big game and he was going to be as well prepared for this one as for any other.
 

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Bob420 said:
For days the Pats said they don't know about PSI, never thought about it, BB said he never heard of it in 40 years. They prep the footballs to Toms liking. It is all about comfort, feel tackiness etc.

And now they are specifically requesting that balls be brought to 12.5 PSI before the scandal broke and BB had no idea?
Link or quote something, you fucking imbecilic troll.
 

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Corsi said:
Yep, and it's refreshing that Curran was able to poke fun at himself in that piece.  99% of writers would've been butthurt vindictive losers about it.
Yeah, I LOL'd at his all-caps gag.
 

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riboflav said:
 
So, do we add him to the whitelist? Still a tough call.
 
Definitely whitelist.  Curran has asked pointed questions all the while, but has never crossed the line.
 

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Bill Belichick is God. Holy fucking shit, what an epic promo. Fully confident, informed, no bullshit, smarter and tougher than everyone in the room. Fuck the media, fuck you Tom Curran, suck these fully inflated balls. We're headed to the Super Bowl, bitches. 
 

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PedroKsBambino said:
 
Exactly.
 
He could have positioned Spygate where it was on the merits---a technical violation of a recently changed rule.  He didn't and most of an NFL season became consumed by it.
He could have addressed Bountygate sooner, and done so in a way that was balanced in punishments.  He didn't, and they had to bring his predecessor in to fix it.
 
He could have gotten the Rice investigation done correctly the first time and come out with one, defensible ruling.  He didn't, and after blowing the initial investigation he blew the follow-up and an arbitrator slapped him down.
 
This is a guy who is in over his head and we shouldn't expect he suddenly developed the smarts and experience to handle a difficult situation. His career speaks only to sucking up, and his track record as commissioner speaks only to misunderstanding how adults manage situations.
You forgot the biggest of all: Concussion-gate. I'm beginning to suspect, assuming the Patriots are exonerated, this could be the end for Roger.

For me, this was set in motion last night. After letting his flagship franchise twist in the wind during Super Bowl week he breaks his silence with a Shock and Awe legal and forensic investigation team to get to the bottom of a phony crisis, with no presumption of innocence or sense of proportion.

It simply demonstrated that Goodell is so burdened by past failures that he has lost all sense of proportion, credibility and moral authority.

One way or another, he's done.
 

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Definitely whitelist.  Curran has asked pointed questions all the while, but has never crossed the line.
 
I agree. Sometimes, he talks too much. But, I love it when he gives Borges grief.
 

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Tomorrow will be one full week since the game. Still zero evidence of any actual wrongdoing presented by anyone. Which "news" organization will be the first to make the following their lead story, as they made "Deflategate" this past week?
- WE APOLOGIZE -
We are embarrassed to admit that in our coverage of the so-called "Deflategate scandal" over the past week, we repeatedly reported assumption and speculation as fact, with no corroboration whatsoever. Further, we drew multiple insupportable conclusions from those unreliable premises while ignoring simple rules of logic, and called for innocent persons and organizations to receive punishment for events that, it now appears, never occurred. In doing so, we acted irresponsibly, becoming ourselves the very antithesis of what we, as journalists, must stand for. In our eagerness to rush "the story" out to you, we never challenged our own or others' assumptions, we neglected to do basic fact checking, and we never corroborated our sources or sought out credible evidence for any of the accusations made. We allowed ourselves to become caught up in the mob frenzy that somehow rose up around this non-story, and such behavior is inexcusable from any organization that purports to provide the news.
For their part, the New England Patriots have acquitted themselves throughout with a degree of patience, dignity, and restraint that most of us, it must be acknowledged, would find extremely difficult to match if faced with a similar barrage of insults and false accusations. It is an embarrassment to our entire profession that Bill Belichick, football coach, and the accused, should have to be the one to perform the kind of investigation and fact finding that we are paid for. We are ashamed at the thought that while we spent our time and energies helping to build a mountain of hysteria out of a non-existent molehill, Mr. Belichick was obliged to spend even one second of his time this week refuting baseless character assassination, rather than preparing his team to participate in the most celebrated and prestigious event in his own line of work.
We humbly apologize now to you, our public, for violating the trust you have in us, and to the New England Patriots organization, whom we have repeatedly defamed over the past several days. We can only hope that you and they can forgive us and allow us the opportunity to win back your trust. It is indeed ironic that the unjust damage done as a result of our abject failure this week was done to the reputation of an organization whose well-known simple motto is "Do Your Job." We did not do ours this week, and we deeply regret our actions.
 

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It reminds me of an anecdote that Shelby Foote tells in Ken Burns "The Civil War":

General McClellan and his staff, at the front of the army marching somewhere, come up to a stream. They stop the army and stand around for twenty minutes debating what to do; should they attempt to ford it? Get the engineers to build a bridge? Go downstream? General McClellan finally wonders how deep it is; if only they knew.

So this goes on and nobody moves an inch, so finally George Custer, who was hanging around and finally got fed up with it and rides his horse to the middle of the stream, and the water is about a foot deep. He says:

"This is how deep the water is, sir."


Some people like to actually get their hands dirty and figure shit out. Others look for any excuse not to.
 

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naclone said:
This made me wonder at what point does Goodell get a dressing down from Kraft/ the owners?

I can't see Kraft letting this go; if it does happen it would probably be at the owners' meetings. Goodell has not had a good year decision-makingwise, even by his standards. Someone needs to take him to task and leaving one of the most powerful owners out to dry might be enough for them to tell him to get his shit together (finally).
 

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Tomorrow will be one full week since the game. Still zero evidence of any actual wrongdoing presented by anyone. Which "news" organization will be the first to make the following their lead story, as they made "Deflategate" this past week?
- WE APOLOGIZE -
We are embarrassed to admit that in our coverage of the so-called "Deflategate scandal" over the past week, we repeatedly reported assumption and speculation as fact, with no corroboration whatsoever. Further, we drew multiple insupportable conclusions from those unreliable premises while ignoring simple rules of logic, and called for innocent persons and organizations to receive punishment for events that, it now appears, never occurred. In doing so, we acted irresponsibly, becoming ourselves the very antithesis of what we, as journalists, must stand for. In our eagerness to rush "the story" out to you, we never challenged our own or others' assumptions, we neglected to do basic fact checking, and we never corroborated our sources or sought out credible evidence for any of the accusations made. We allowed ourselves to become caught up in the mob frenzy that somehow rose up around this non-story, and such behavior is inexcusable from any organization that purports to provide the news.
For their part, the New England Patriots have acquitted themselves throughout with a degree of patience, dignity, and restraint that most of us, it must be acknowledged, would find extremely difficult to match if faced with a similar barrage of insults and false accusations. It is an embarrassment to our entire profession that Bill Belichick, football coach, and the accused, should have to be the one to perform the kind of investigation and fact finding that we are paid for. We are ashamed at the thought that while we spent our time and energies helping to build a mountain of hysteria out of a non-existent molehill, Mr. Belichick was obliged to spend even one second of his time this week refuting baseless character assassination, rather than preparing his team to participate in the most celebrated and prestigious event in his own line of work.
We humbly apologize now to you, our public, for violating the trust you have in us, and to the New England Patriots organization, whom we have repeatedly defamed over the past several days. We can only hope that you and they can forgive us and allow us the opportunity to win back your trust. It is indeed ironic that the unjust damage done as a result of our abject failure this week was done to the reputation of an organization whose well-known simple motto is "Do Your Job." We did not do ours this week, and we deeply regret our actions.
You don't pay enough attention to the American media, I think.
 
When was the last time any of them were held accountable (or better yet, held themselves accountable) for something like this.
 
It'll simply be back to business as usual for them.
 

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So when's Jackie Mac gonna chime in again?
 
I went back to read her article, and, oof, what a piece of shit it is.  Jerry Rice and Don Shula?  Alright.
 

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You don't pay enough attention to the American media, I think.
 
When was the last time any of them were held accountable (or better yet, held themselves accountable) for something like this.
 
It'll simply be back to business as usual for them.
I think King gave the blue print. "Hey, bra, league says it's doing an investigation and we're just following the story, you know.,"
 

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It reminds me of an anecdote that Shelby Foote tells in Ken Burns "The Civil War":

General McClellan and his staff, at the front of the army marching somewhere, come up to a stream. They stop the army and stand around for twenty minutes debating what to do; should they attempt to ford it? Get the engineers to build a bridge? Go downstream? General McClellan finally wonders how deep it is; if only they knew.

So this goes on and nobody moves an inch, so finally George Custer, who was hanging around and finally got fed up with it and rides his horse to the middle of the stream, and the water is about a foot deep. He says:

"This is how deep the water is, sir."


Some people like to actually get their hands dirty and figure shit out. Others look for any excuse not to.
 
Great story. In this day and age, many people have no interest in getting dirty and figuring shit out. Instead, it's ass covering and risk avoidance, at the expense of everything, including production.
 
Sometimes, a person just has to take an action and see what the result is going to be. You cannot avoid a negative outcome every single time, in every single situation. 
 

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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
 
Curran is a good writer and he and BB actually get along well. Just because BB blasted him one today doesn't mean that essential equation has changed.
 
Great line in there:
 
In Friday’s league statement, the league rolled out the names of the investigators and lawyers involved like it was rolling the Red Army past Stalin.
 
 

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That's what I thought...but I saw a "Green List" earlier in this thread.  Who the fuck wears green hats other than leprechauns?
 
the jets
 

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Mystic Merlin said:
So when's Jackie Mac gonna chime in again?
 
I went back to read her article, and, oof, what a piece of shit it is.  Jerry Rice and Don Shula?  Alright.
 
 
She really came up short this week. As a big fan, I'm very disappointed in her.
 

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Mystic Merlin said:
So when's Jackie Mac gonna chime in again?
 
I went back to read her article, and, oof, what a
piece of shit it is.  Jerry Rice and Don Shula?  Alright.
Well she explains what Belichick needs to be punished for: arrogance.

People can't stand folks who are elite level at their jobs and aren't all humble about it.