Celtics sign Joe Johnson

BuellMiller

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Of course, he signed Travis Knight to begin with. I remember being very frustrated the Celts didn’t have any cap room to bring in good players and Pitino went out and gave a - at the time - huge contract to a back up center.
Didn’t they even have to let Rick Fox and Dee Brown go just to get the space to sign Knight?
and let’s not forget the deal to get Potapenko ended up being for the pick that became Andre Miller I believe.
 

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He’s always done the job that he was hired to do very well and that is managing the bottom line, cap/tax implications and answering to his bosses. The GM job isn’t always about Championships or even Wins and Losses. He was also magnificent for many years in Memphis under circumstances so challenging that most wouldn’t have made it out of their second year.
I'm not questioning your "well, he did what they asked him to do in Memphis" POV. It would be like beating up Harry Sinden for trading good players for 20 years for kids because Jeremy Jacobs sucked. That's the job.

Wallace had full control over the 2001 draft though and fucked the pooch. It's not the only thing that he did wrong here, but it's the worst.

fake edit: that saying is wrong on purpose

real edit: Just looked at the wiki for Wallace and saw that his first NBA job was as a hire for Jon Spoelstra, father of Erik and son of a legendary Detroit sportswriter. Had no idea that Spoel was third generation sports royalty.
 

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I'm not going to defend the Chris Wallace era, as results matter. However, keep in mind that he was working for one of the league's worst owners, an entitled prick that inherited the team and literally put zero money into it. At one point he forbade the GM from going above the NBA's bare minimum roster size, costing the team some wins as a result.
The only results that matter are the ones judged by the person who signs your check. As you said,Wallace was given mandates by owners in Boston and Memphis where he accomplished for years what the ownership asked of him. For the fans…..sure if they don’t recognize that he is the face of ownership then I get why one would blame Wallace.
 

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For the record, this isn't second-guessing on my part. No hindsight involved. I was very pissed at the time of the draft. I could not believe that they decided to exercise the Denver pick when they already had two first-rounders that year, and watched in horror as that would-be pick eventually became Carmelo Anthony.

That they didn't draft Tony Parker only exacerbated the issue, then they conveniently blamed Red Auerbach for the Forte pick. Wallace sucks.
This was already noted above but it would have been idiotic to not exercise the pick at #5 the following year, since they would have had no assurance that it would become a #3 the year after. So it's hard to envision that it would have become Carmelo Anthony regardless of their decision in 2001.
 

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The only results that matter are the ones judged by the person who signs your check. As you said,Wallace was given mandates by owners in Boston and Memphis where he accomplished for years what the ownership asked of him. For the fans…..sure if they don’t recognize that he is the face of ownership then I get why one would blame Wallace.
I seriously doubt that the owners, bad as they were, wanted him to draft garbage.
 

HomeRunBaker

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I seriously doubt that the owners, bad as they were, wanted him to draft garbage.
Drafted a borderline HOFer cures many ills and as has been mentioned…….if Red was telling you to draft Forte his hands could be tied. We don’t know the intracscies of those meetings.