Bill Simmons: Valuing Trades More Than Friendships

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They finally did The Shawshank Redemption on The Rewatchables and it was worth the wait. It was Bill, Chris Ryan and Bill's father on the podcast and it was nearly as long as the movie! Great insight into a classic they all loved. Fortunately, I had seen it just a few days before this. One thing that bugs me, though, is that no one brought up the remarkable resemblance between the character Bogs Diamond (head of "The Sisters" rape gang) and Dallas coach Jason Garrett.
 

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They finally did The Shawshank Redemption on The Rewatchables and it was worth the wait. It was Bill, Chris Ryan and Bill's father on the podcast and it was nearly as long as the movie! Great insight into a classic they all loved. Fortunately, I had seen it just a few days before this. One thing that bugs me, though, is that no one brought up the remarkable resemblance between the character Bogs Diamond (head of "The Sisters" rape gang) and Dallas coach Jason Garrett.
It was a good listen, but there was zero reason for Bill's dad to be there. He brought nothing to the conversation at all - it seemed like he was there solely because he used to call Bill and tell him when it was on TNT. In fairness, I pretty much always feel that way when Bill's dad is on the podcast, so maybe it's just me.
 

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It was a good listen, but there was zero reason for Bill's dad to be there. He brought nothing to the conversation at all - it seemed like he was there solely because he used to call Bill and tell him when it was on TNT. In fairness, I pretty much always feel that way when Bill's dad is on the podcast, so maybe it's just me.
This is the first time I've heard Bill's dad and, you're right, he didn't add a whole lot to it. He jumped the gun on a few segments ("We're not picking nits yet, Dad,") but the others seemed to cover for him.
 

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I won't listen to any podcast (or podcast segment) that Bill's dad is involved with - or any other member of Bill's family, actually. I don't know why I should care what they have to say, and I don't enjoy their delivery, and I don't see the point. The "Around the NFL" podcast has a recurring segment where the host, Dan Hanzus, calls his Jets fan father for a quick hit of commentary: they go into it with a funny jingle ("His name is Keith, he's Dan's dad, no doubt about it he's a big Jets fan - what is he gonna say about the game today? What is he gonna say about the game today?"), he speaks for around 30 seconds, or a minute tops, and he's out and that's it. *That* is how to work a family member into a podcast.
 

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I won't listen to any podcast (or podcast segment) that Bill's dad is involved with - or any other member of Bill's family, actually. I don't know why I should care what they have to say, and I don't enjoy their delivery, and I don't see the point. The "Around the NFL" podcast has a recurring segment where the host, Dan Hanzus, calls his Jets fan father for a quick hit of commentary: they go into it with a funny jingle ("His name is Keith, he's Dan's dad, no doubt about it he's a big Jets fan - what is he gonna say about the game today? What is he gonna say about the game today?"), he speaks for around 30 seconds, or a minute tops, and he's out and that's it. *That* is how to work a family member into a podcast.
I can understand not caring what his dad or son or cousin or whomever has to stay about the NBA or NFL or whatever. But for a podcast about movies, what's the difference? What sort of expert opinion does Bill or Chris Ryan bring to a discussion of Shawshank Redemption that Bill's dad doesn't? I'm not saying his presence elevated the episode or anything (though I was mildly amused by Bill having to repeatedly admonish his dad "we're not to that part yet"), but I'm not sure that putting Mallory Rubin or Shea Serrano in that third chair makes a significant difference in the long run. I mean, why should I care what Mallory thinks about it any more than I care about Bill's dad?

I listen or have listened to many podcasts that are/were retrospectives of TV shows and movies. Most of which are hosted and produced by people I've never heard of and have no particular ties to or expertise on the shows. They're just big fans. I put the Rewatchables into that category. I don't really care what the bona fides of the panelists are, as long as they have some chemistry with each other and produce interesting discussions.
 

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I can understand not caring what his dad or son or cousin or whomever has to stay about the NBA or NFL or whatever. But for a podcast about movies, what's the difference? What sort of expert opinion does Bill or Chris Ryan bring to a discussion of Shawshank Redemption that Bill's dad doesn't? I'm not saying his presence elevated the episode or anything (though I was mildly amused by Bill having to repeatedly admonish his dad "we're not to that part yet"), but I'm not sure that putting Mallory Rubin or Shea Serrano in that third chair makes a significant difference in the long run. I mean, why should I care what Mallory thinks about it any more than I care about Bill's dad?
It's not about expert opinions, it's about how those opinions are delivered. The Rewatchables podcast stands and falls on how funny and/or clever its participants are. Is Bill's dad funny? Is he clever? Is he particularly well-spoken, for that matter? Bill and Chris and Mallory and Shea work for a media company and are paid to be funny and/or clever on podcasts. Mind you, so apparently does Nephew Kyle, and his only credentials for being a podcast producer are the genes he shares with Bill's wife. (The young Bill Simmons would have been furious with the old Bill Simmons' transparent nepotism, but whatever, I'm just a guy trying to break into the sports media business and my surname isn't Buck or Albert or Brennaman or McDonough or Caray or Kalas or....)
 

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Bill's dad almost ruins it. I don't care that it's their family movie. He doesn't add anything, and it takes away from someone more interesting and insightful.
 

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I've been the opposite.

Both of my kids like to play baseball, but one of them loves to watch it. He's 7, and comes home from school, does whatever shit he has to do, just so he can be in front of the TV at 6:05 when the Twins game starts. He gets bent out of shape if we make plans and he's not able to watch a game. As a result, I've become more invested in MLB over the past few years, because baseball is something my wife and I are totally fine with having on in the background while we do other things. It's been impossible not to become more aware of general baseball stuff, if only through osmosis.

I doubt most kids are as passionate as mine, but I do know that other parents who maybe stopped caring about baseball sometime in their 20s have started watching it again because their little league-playing son or daughter expresses an interest, so it's an opportunity to pick an old pass time back up in the name of having a common interest with your kid.
My kids are 6 and 4 and not much interest in watching sports yet, although the 6 year old is starting to get into basketball. A lot of Celtics games start at 7:30 or 8 when he's going to bed so we'll watch a few minutes or the 1st quarter together. That's as far as I've got though. It'd be great to get into it more with them in another couple years.
 

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The Walrus brought nothing to the table, and they could just as easily have had Wes Morris on instead. He shouldn’t have been there.

Now if Bill wants to effectively deploy his dad, he’d have him on for “Kramer vs Kramer”.
 

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How can you guys say Bill's dad brought nothing to the table. It was only through him that I learned Bill actually made that movie famous.