The top guys definitely are.
Yes, you’re right.12 this years then high 30s. That’s great value for this year.
Nope, although this is actually a rare example of a player who is both cheap enough and good enough for this question to not be insane. Ja’s current contract has a pretty similar amount of surplus value as Giannis or Jokic’s. However, surplus value is just one measure of value, and I still don’t think it’s close that you’d take an MVP level player over a top 25 player on a severe discount without a second thought. Also, MVP level players’ value advantage only grows in the playoffs when minutes are extended and the game shifts toward emphasizing the ability to generate matchup advantages, so the above idea of similar surplus value, which is based on regular season performance, only tells part of the story.
If you’re a young quality starter you will almost always be “overpaid” in comparison to the teams star and you will get paid (Herro, Simons, etc). It seems that the best value contracts are the ones traded for when a player needs a change of scenery, fresh start, etc. The problem with many of these guys on a long-term deal is that the issues which made this player require a change of scenery are likely to pop up again from a character/personality trait. Guys like Christian Wood today, Boogie who has value for his first month until everyone wants to throw him off the team bus….James Posey is a good ex-Celtics example of this type of player.
Depends if they also got rid of Bird rights. Both those players play for teams that are already above the cap and also don't need to add outside talent, so theoretically they could sign for 100m and still have a championship caliber roster.
What maybe the most amazing thing about this valuation is that around the time of the sale, there was chatter that Ellison had a better bid than Lacob/Guber but Cohan allegedly strongly disliked Larry so the deal was steered to your guys. Then, on the follow, there were rumors that their group was short money.
We’re also witnessing first hand what losing TL does for the offense as well. Obv we need TL in a grind it out playoff series but the spacing that we have today with the lanes wide open for dribble penetration has been the best in the league thus far.
You don't think TL with 4 shooters would give similar spacing? I'm imagine Brogdon getting downhill off the PnR with the big terrified of Rob's roll to the rim.
agreed....PT.Lord's vertical spacing on offense will take the Celtic's offense up a notch. Luke/Vonleh can barely set a screen without getting whistled and just chase loose rebounds on offense.
It would be much different as a PNR will bring multiple defenses into the space. Tatum has been beating everyone in iso off the dribble without having a big in the paint defending the rim and out ball movement is much better without a low/high post option.Totally different look with TL in the game.
That's last year's team(s) though, when quite a bit of the offense looked like a JV team swinging it around the circle waiting for the defense to fuck up and give a lane or JT/JB trying to beat his defender and dribbling into help defense. Having a vertical spacing threat was important, because dudes were dribbling past/through defenders right into a rim protector. Now, Brogdon and White are breaking down guys too, and it's a relentless attack on the rim by basically everyone for quarters at a time, and we're ending up with an ungodly number of open threes. I love TL and all, but I'm leery of fucking with that.
The Brogdon+shooters units are fine with Kornet out there too. TL would get tons of lobs from Brogon with the floor spaced out.
Maybe? The Celtics were a better team last year than they have been so far this year (offense a bit better, defense much worse).
They're 3.1 points per 100 possessions better on offense & 7.2 points per 100 possessions worse on defense. You can argue that the offensive jump despite you know, not stopping people on the other end is more impressive I suppose.
Sorry, I quoted you but was replying to the general conversation (which seems to be in an entirely wrong thread for it lol).
Whenever people talk about best NBA contracts, there's a tacit agreement to leave out the prenegotiated rookie and max deals, since everyone agrees they're boring to discuss (for the reasons you mention).
Who is talking about last season? I’m referring to this years offense where we are #1 in Efficiency with our best player entering some MVP discussions as he’s able to score easier with the ball movement and spacing……this year. I also stated how crucial TL will be in the playoffs and defensively….not being better off without him.
Why does everyone think I'm arguing with them today? lol
