Another outfielder - Carlos Peguero

[Rice4HOF]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/05/red-sox-acquire-carlos-peguero.html
 
Because we were running low on sub .200 hitting outfielders.
He hits from the left side, predictably hits nothing against lefties, and is also sub .200 career vs righties.  Not sure what the point is?

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/05/red-sox-acquire-carlos-peguero.html
 
Because we were running low on sub .200 hitting outfielders.
He hits from the left side, predictably hits nothing against lefties, and is also sub .200 career vs righties.  Not sure what the point is?

 
Nava DFA?
 
Probably not.  Seat filler would be my guess, with Bianchi going bye-bye.

 

[DanoooME]

Maybe they'll try to sneak him through waivers to get him to Pawtucket.

 

[Hee Sox Choi]

Good.  I was starting to miss Juan Francisco.

 

[In my lifetime]

or maybe in case Castillo's injury ends up being more serious than they thought.  It shows how little chance Craig has to be promoted anytime soon.  The RS would much rather save the LT and I don't blame them at this point.

 

[jimbobim]

or maybe in case Castillo's injury ends up being more serious than they thought.  It shows how little chance Craig has to be promoted anytime soon.  The RS would much rather save the LT and I don't blame them at this point.

More likely competition for the immensely struggling Nava in Farrell's Mike Carp Dog House. 

 

[bosockboy]

Cards just lost Matt Adams and could use a LH bat, maybe Nava?

 

[grimshaw]

It's gotta be AAA depth because there is absolute nada in AA that is ready to even be a good organizational soldier for Pawtucket.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

It's gotta be AAA depth because there is absolute nada in AA that is ready to even be a good organizational soldier for Pawtucket.

 
Problem is that Peguero has no options left.  That's why the Rangers DFA'd him in the first place.  Maybe he sneaks through waivers so the Sox can outright him, but seems like a lot of trouble to go through for an extra AAA outfielder.

 

[grimshaw]

 
Problem is that Peguero has no options left.  That's why the Rangers DFA'd him in the first place.  Maybe he sneaks through waivers so the Sox can outright him, but seems like a lot of trouble to go through for an extra AAA outfielder.

I'm betting that's the case.  No one is going to snag a 28 year old AAAA guy.  The best the Rangers could get was cash.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

 
Problem is that Peguero has no options left.  That's why the Rangers DFA'd him in the first place.  Maybe he sneaks through waivers so the Sox can outright him, but seems like a lot of trouble to go through for an extra AAA outfielder.

How much trouble is it really though? This could simply be Ben positioning himself with some depth for the weeks leading up to the trade deadline. You have JBJ possibly included in a large deal (Hamels?) and Craig surely being shopped.

 

[mauidano]

Added to the 40 man, Vavaro moved to the 60 day DL.  

 

[trekfan55]

So they may need an OF, and pay cash for a sub .200 hitting one when they have Jackie Bradley, Jr. in Pawtuckett?

 

[aron7awol]

I see him as Papi insurance.  He strikes out a ton and is completely useless against LHP, but against RHP this guy has legit 30+ HR power potential and could be useful as a DH vs. RHP.  Hopefully it never comes to that.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

What on God's green earth would make you think any of what you just typed?

 

[aron7awol]

What on God's green earth would make you think any of what you just typed?

http://minorleaguecentral.com/player?pid=451713&split=3000&type=batter
 
Since 2011 - .286 AVG, 69 HR, .922 OPS in 1108 PA vs. RHP in AAA despite 31.4 K%.  When he makes contact, he hits the snot out of the ball.
 
 
Edit:
vs. RHP
AAA 69 HR / 1108 PA * 650 PA = 40.5 HR
MLB 13 HR / 282 PA * 650 PA = 30.0 HR

 

[Rice4HOF]

But in his career he is batting .199 with a .266 OBP vs RHP. So occasionally he's going to run into one? Meh. He won't get 650 PAs vs righties anyways. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=pegueca01&year=Career&t=b

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

And what do you think a 31.4% K rate in AAA is going to translate to in the majors?

He's an organizational body and nothing more than that. I feel pretty confident that Bc is not looking at him as an Ortiz replacement and if he is, he should be fired.

The team is not going to carry a platoon DH, which is to say nothing about the fact that the guy isn't a ML level baseball player. There's a reason he just got DFAed.

Edit: there's a reason Willy Mo Pena is playing in Asia right now.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Peguero has demonstrated big power in the minor leagues, averaging 22 homers per season since 2009. But his success has never translated at the big-league level. In 99 games for the Seattle Mariners, Kansas City Royals and Rangers, the 6-foot-5, 260-pounder has batted only .194 with 13 homers, including .186 with four homers this year for Texas. Peguero also has a sky-high strikeout rate -- 36 whiffs in 70 at-bats this season, 125 in 284 at-bats for his career.

 
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox_mlb/clubhouse_insider/2015/05/red_sox_acquire_outfielder_carlos_peguero_from_texas

 

[Toe Nash]

http://minorleaguecentral.com/player?pid=451713&split=3000&type=batter
 
Since 2011 - .286 AVG, 69 HR, .922 OPS in 1108 PA vs. RHP in AAA despite 31.4 K%.  When he makes contact, he hits the snot out of the ball.
 
 
Edit:
vs. RHP
AAA 69 HR / 1108 PA * 650 PA = 40.5 HR
MLB 13 HR / 282 PA * 650 PA = 30.0 HR

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.
 
The K rate precludes him from ever making the jump. His age very likely precludes him from improving the K rate. He's nothing.

 

[luckysox]

If this guy replaces Papi at anything, Papi may burn down Fenway, and I will join him.

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Unless they see something in his approach they think can be fixed that no one else in the major leagues has, I don't get it. Maybe they're trying to have the line up that weighs the most in baseball?

 

[Rovin Romine]

Unless they see something in his approach they think can be fixed that no one else in the major leagues has, I don't get it. Maybe they're trying to have the line up that weighs the most in baseball?

 
Filler.  With a side of Flyer.  

 

[kieckeredinthehead]

Unless they see something in his approach they think can be fixed that no one else in the major leagues has, I don't get it. Maybe they're trying to have the line up that weighs the most in baseball?

What was the last player the Red Sox saw something with and "fixed"?

 

[E5 Yaz]

What was the last player the Red Sox saw something with and "fixed"?

 
Andrew Miller?

 

[YTF]

Peguero added to the 25 man, Bianchi DFA per NESN.
http://nesn.com/2015/05/daniel-nava-placed-on-15-day-dl-as-red-sox-make-flurry-of-roster-moves/

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

 
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox_mlb/clubhouse_insider/2015/05/red_sox_acquire_outfielder_carlos_peguero_from_texas

Maybe they are going green at Fenway and converting to wind power.

 

[aron7awol]

Those of you throwing insults around should realize that you don't know everything and maybe you're actually the idiot sometimes.
 
Anyway, I said I see him as Papi insurance.  As in, if Papi suffers a year-ending injury.  I also said I hope it never comes to that.
 
I said he had 30+ HR potential against RHP.  That doesn't mean I think he can get 650 PA against RHP, that just means he has the potential to hit 30 HR per 650 PA against RHP.  In fact, he has sustained exactly that rate in his short MLB career, and a 40+ HR rate in his AAA career, so it's certainly possible.
 
I don't expect him to improve his K-rate much.  But if he can walk a decent amount, and maintain a high BABIP because he hits the ball really freaking hard, like the .369 BABIP he has sustained vs. MiLB RHP, he can be useful as the strong side of a platoon.  Not a savior, but useful.  You guys need to relax.
 
BTW, he was added to the active roster, so I guess the FO also considers him useful.  Thanks for agreeing with me, Ben.
 
 
Edit:
League average batting line so far in 2015 is .251/.315/.399 (.715 OPS).  The bar is very low, these days.

 

[nvalvo]

As I mentioned in the game thread, I like this move a lot. Dude has huge power, but has struggled with contact. But recently, his approach seems like it might be maturing.
 
Take a look at Jeff Sullivan's thoughts on Peguero. 
 
And feast on power highlights here. 

 

[TSC]

Those of you throwing insults around should realize that you don't know everything and maybe you're actually the idiot sometimes.
 
Anyway, I said I see him as Papi insurance.  As in, if Papi suffers a year-ending injury.  I also said I hope it never comes to that.
 
I said he had 30+ HR potential against RHP.  That doesn't mean I think he can get 650 PA against RHP, that just means he has the potential to hit 30 HR per 650 PA against RHP.  In fact, he has sustained exactly that rate in his short MLB career, and a 40+ HR rate in his AAA career, so it's certainly possible.
 
snip...

Yea. But how good is he when he gets a full night of sleep after 2 days of rest during day games?

 

[CaptainLaddie]

Those of you throwing insults around should realize that you don't know everything and maybe you're actually the idiot sometimes.
 
Anyway, I said I see him as Papi insurance.  As in, if Papi suffers a year-ending injury.  I also said I hope it never comes to that.
 
I said he had 30+ HR potential against RHP.  That doesn't mean I think he can get 650 PA against RHP, that just means he has the potential to hit 30 HR per 650 PA against RHP.  In fact, he has sustained exactly that rate in his short MLB career, and a 40+ HR rate in his AAA career, so it's certainly possible.
 
I don't expect him to improve his K-rate much.  But if he can walk a decent amount, and maintain a high BABIP because he hits the ball really freaking hard, like the .369 BABIP he has sustained vs. MiLB RHP, he can be useful as the strong side of a platoon.  Not a savior, but useful.  You guys need to relax.
 
BTW, he was added to the active roster, so I guess the FO also considers him useful.  Thanks for agreeing with me, Ben.
 
 
Edit:
League average batting line so far in 2015 is .251/.315/.399 (.715 OPS).  The bar is very low, these days.

 
.......are you actually EV come back under a different name?
 
Edit: what TSC said.
 

 

[aron7awol]

Yea. But how good is he when he gets a full night of sleep after 2 days of rest during day games?

 
.......are you actually EV come back under a different name?
 
Edit: what TSC said.
 

Have you two been living under a rock for the last 10 years?  Simple platooning is EV-level cherry picking in your minds?  I don't know what to say other than thank god you two aren't making any important baseball decisions.  Simple platooning is probably the lowest hanging fruit as far as gaining essentially free additional value from a roster.

 

[nvalvo]

What was the last player the Red Sox saw something with and "fixed"?

 
Tonight's starter Eduardo Rodriguez. The O's wanted him to throw his relatively hard changeup slower for more separation, as the pitch is 88-89 mph, only a touch slower than his mid-90s fastball. The Red Sox told him to throw it as he felt comfortable, recognizing that this helped with his deception, and he promptly torched the Eastern league. 

 

[NDame616]

 
Tonight's starter Eduardo Rodriguez. The O's wanted him to throw his relatively hard changeup slower for more separation, as the pitch is 88-89 mph, only a touch slower than his mid-90s fastball. The Red Sox told him to throw it as he felt comfortable, recognizing that this helped with his deception, and he promptly torched the Eastern league. 

 
Maybe we should give him a 2nd or 3rd start before we declare him "fixed". For all we know, yesterday was the high point of his major league career.

 

[moondog80]

 
Maybe we should give him a 2nd or 3rd start before we declare him "fixed". For all we know, yesterday was the high point of his major league career.

 
Not just the one start, his numbers in the minors were much improved after being traded last year.
 
Bowie: 4.79 ERA, 2.38 K/BB
Portland: 0.96 ERA, 4.88 K/BB
Pawtucket, 2015: 2.98 ERA, 6.29 K/BB

 

[Drek717]

 
Filler.  With a side of Flyer.  

Got a winner here.
 
Nava to the DL, the club already brought Bradley up once to not play him.  They need a LH bat in the mix with Ramirez, Betts, and Castillo as their core three with Vic in and out due to injury.  If Hanley is going to start taking ABs at DH with Ortiz needing some rest they have a defensively less valuable OF spot.  All together it makes Peguero a solid flier option who (if you look at his swing% trends per the fangraphs article of two weeks ago) might already be making the adjustments to translate his AAA numbers to the majors.  Worst case he's a short term filler who keeps them from disrupting the mL guys for a two week fill-in.  The (highly unlikely) upside is that he's Jose Bautista.  They've got a roster spot and a few ABs to fill, they'd rather buy a lottery ticket instead of calling up Bradley again for him to get a dozen ABs over two weeks.

 

[Valek123]

Tonight's starter Eduardo Rodriguez. The O's wanted him to throw his relatively hard changeup slower for more separation, as the pitch is 88-89 mph, only a touch slower than his mid-90s fastball. The Red Sox told him to throw it as he felt comfortable, recognizing that this helped with his deception, and he promptly torched the Eastern league. 

 
Paging Pedro to report to Eduardo for special assistance.  Pedro was not interested in the pitching coach job but he dropped this line in the interview: 

 
 
"I don't think I would want to be in a field 162 games -- a little bit more -- like I did as a player. So I don't think it would be in my lines to do that. Even though I could help the team at any time they need me."

 
He's got great stuff, and messing around with a different grip on a change-up could be a way to take him to another level.  I get the O's thought process in creating more separation and the Red Sox mentality of just pitching but working in side sessions on a new grip might be what takes this kid to an entirely new level.  And it just so happens we've got this guy who had a decent change-up on the payroll who might just love the opportunity to work with a young pitcher to see his circle change technique carry on for another generation.
 
**EDIT** Mod can you kick these Eduardo conversations over to the Eduardo topic, I thought this was in that thread until after I posted as it was dominated by his discussion.

 

[RoyalOrange]

Damn, we have some negative nancies in here. I hear ya, aron and nvalvo.

 

[Trlicek's Whip]

What on God's green earth would make you think any of what you just typed?

 
It's 99.9% certain we just found WMP reincarnate and that Peguero's minor-league filler/fodder. Two weeks ago Jeff Sullivan at Fangraphs noted that there's been a shift in skills with Peguero. Specifically, his swing rate and where he's hitting the ball.
 

Pretty obviously, we can’t conclude that Peguero is a great player now. Much more to do, and he still strikes out a bunch. Contact will never be a part of his game. But according to StatCast, he ranks fourth in baseball in average batted-ball velocity. He has one of the very lowest soft-hit rates, and one of the very highest hard-hit rates. Peguero hasn’t sacrificed much in the way of power as he’s learned to take some pitches. What it looks like is something has clicked. 

 

Prior to this year, in the majors, Peguero swung at 48% of pitches out of the zone. At the moment he’s at 30%. In terms of out-of-zone swing rate, Peguero has gone from the 0th percentile to the 49th. In terms of overall swing rate, Peguero has gone from the most aggressive 1% to placing in the bottom fifth. 

 

 
Sullivan links to two Peguero spray charts: one from 2011-2014 and then solely 2015's. 
 

 

 

Suddenly there’s almost nothing to the pull half of the field [in 2015]. There are balls hit up the middle, and to the opposite alley. Peguero had up-the-middle power before, but he was a pull hitter, and you can see all those groundballs to first and second base. This is a changed man. This isn’t the Carlos Peguero that two teams gave up on.

 
And that it may be due to a change in his swing to make it more compact, which he references:
 

For the first two weeks of the spring training schedule, the Rangers saw a hitter they described as completely changed. Peguero was more willing to take pitches the opposite way and also showed more disciplined. But after going 3 for 4 against his former Seattle teammates on March 22, things went downhill. He finished the spring in a 5 for 24 funk that included 13 strikeouts.

 
This also happened leading up to his DFA in Texas, when he went 0 for 14 with 10 K's at the plate. Peguero will try to change his approach, but then snap back to bad habits and raw instincts. 
 

Ryan Divish has covered the Mariners for years, and he also has a history covering Tacoma. He says that Peguero was always a project, and sometimes it looked like he was making legitimate progress staying back and compact. Peguero was known for his impressive batting-practice displays, and there were times that he’d resemble more of a complete hitter. But then he’d revert to old muscle memory in pressure situations, especially with men on base. He’d try to do too much, and he’d try to hit the ball too hard, and that’s not the hitter the team was trying to make him into. It wasn’t a matter of intelligence, or bad eyes; the Mariners just couldn’t get Peguero re-programmed. The lessons didn’t stick.

 
Sullivan doesn't think he's the second coming of Nelson Cruz, and SSS or spring training "noise" applies to the optimism. But if 2015 is different than the previous versions of Peguero, it's a great flier. He's obviously a project, but so wasn't Andrew Miller when we first got him. 

 

[nvalvo]

Right. It probably doesn't work out with Peguero. But this time we didn't deal Bronson Arroyo for him.

Sizemore was just DFA'd, if people want to try that again...