7/10: Let's Try This

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OK, so this is a megathread. The next 100 posts in this section will go in this thread, and after 100, we will collectively reassess as to whether we start a new thread of 100 posts or go back to individual threads.

Marcus Stroman vs. Zach Eflin, 6:50 EST again.
 

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For comparison, there have been 202 total posts in the previous 8 game threads.
 

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Roughly two weeks ago I wrote:

Tim Mayza is a 32 year old lefty reliever who was drafted by TOR in 2013 and who has pitched for TOR since 2017, since the Jose Bautista years, 352 games. Last night's 5 batter/5 ERs allowed to NY was evidently the final straw and Mayza was DFAd today.
Today NY signed Mayza to a minor league deal.
 

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This is just not fun baseball, just like last year.

I'm gonna hot take and you can all give me heat for it. Cashman and Boone both need to go. We don't have the depth we need after we continue to rely on aging and injury prone players or players who just were never that great to begin with like Gleyber. We aren't creating an environment where players like Volpe are able to have any success. Our infield is dreadful.
 

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This is just not fun baseball, just like last year.

I'm gonna hot take and you can all give me heat for it. Cashman and Boone both need to go. We don't have the depth we need after we continue to rely on aging and injury prone players or players who just were never that great to begin with like Gleyber. We aren't creating an environment where players like Volpe are able to have any success. Our infield is dreadful.
Cashman is one of the longest-serving execs with one franchise in MLB history. At what point do his policies go stale? He was so close a few years ago and only now are we able to evaluate how his program went off the tracks. Hal will revisit Cashman’s future in November. I don’t imagine he was too thrilled while watching last night’s game with his GM.

Dave Dombrowski is clearly the top baseball exec of Cashman’s era. He made his mark in four different cities. Maybe moving around and working for different owners made him more flexible in his thinking. Did Cashman grow stale working in the same place for 30 years? Theo Epstein left Boston. Cash never left The Family.

It’s an interesting point you make, Crow. I agree with you. Boone can go, too, after the season ends. Which one will be the scapegoat?
 

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I'm gonna hot take and you can all give me heat for it.
OK.

Cashman and Boone both need to go.
Boone barely matters, Cashman I will rebut.

We don't have the depth we need after we continue to rely on aging and injury prone players or players who just were never that great to begin with like Gleyber.
Well, Gleyber was a top ten young player in all of MLB at one point, he has just continued to get worse. I'm not really sure that's on the team, but baseball is complicated.

As for 'aging' and 'injury prone', the Yankees biggest single personnel problem has been the same literally every day this season: they badly miss their third best player, 21 year old Jasson Dominguez.

The one thing I don't get is why NY doesn't play their young guys more, but that is about depth usually. I do think that's the one mistake they seem to make over and over, play your own prospects more quickly, not once you are forced into it. Free Jorbit Vivas.
 

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The Dodgers are 1/2 game better than NY and have bigger injury problems. Should they fire their whole front office too?
 

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Yeah, I'll be upfront and say that Cashman's ability to consistently restock the farm teams with young talent, both in and out of the system, is pretty much unparalleled the past several years. Dodgers with Friedman do it about the same with bullpen arms. No way you let him go.

Boone is replacement level, but as JA said, I don't think letting him go makes a big difference either way. This isn't football where who you have there matters materially in your results. I'd prefer Cora but a change there isn't a panacea. On a smaller scale, Sean Casey showed this last year with his role as hitting coach.
 

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The Dodgers are 1/2 game better than NY and have bigger injury problems. Should they fire their whole front office too?
Their GM is in his third season. But yeah, he could be gone in November if the Dodgers flop in October. Why does Cashman keep his job year after year? He’s a survivor. I suspect Hal hated the instability that his father used as a motivational tool. He and Cashman are roughly the same age. But if you judge this franchise by championships, they are both failures.
 

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Another base running mistake. What’s the problem with running hard out of the box? I blame Gleyber. And Stanton, who is allowed to go 3/4 speed and still gets hurt.

Management and fans need to start judging this team more critically. This is not a good team.
 

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I don't really blame Rice for that one, the ball came off the bat really weird and a professional hitter usually knows where it goes by how it feels and that kind of contact is generally very foul and if it starts fair, it spins foul quickly. I kind of blame the third base coach for not getting Rice's attention more quickly (I don't know what he did or didn't do), once Rice realized it was somehow staying fair, he ran very hard.
 

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Why does Cashman keep his job year after year?
Maybe it's been written about in some of the recent Yankee books, but my theory (seriously) is that every 4-5 years he goes to Hal and says "OK, this past 4-5 years hasn't paid off the way we'd both hoped, we have won a lot of games as always but not the WS. My professional advice as a longtime GM is that you should fire Brian immediately and hire me, new Brian, and if you hire me, here is what new Brian will do differently..."

This actually makes a lot of sense in a business where the underlying CBA changes every 4-5 years, sometimes drastically.
 

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Maybe it's been written about in some of the recent Yankee books, but my theory (seriously) is that every 4-5 years he goes to Hal and says "OK, this past 4-5 years hasn't paid off the way we'd both hoped, we have won a lot of games as always but not the WS. My professional advice as a longtime GM is that ou should fire Brian immediately and hire me, new Brian, and if you hire me, here is what new Brian will do differently..."

This actually makes a lot of sense in a business where the underlying CBA changes every 4-5 years, sometimes drastically.
He has evolved several times since 1998 when he was the kid who replaced Bob Watson and reaped the benefits of Gene Michael’s wisdom. To his credit, Cashman gave credit where it belonged. He listened to Joe Torre and then failed to back him in the infamous 2007 meeting with a fading Boss. The Girardi decade followed. Similar ending for another Joe. Now it’s Boone who has survived for seven years. Maybe this time Hal will take charge.
 

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Hill comes in with bases loaded and gets two outs.
 
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I don't really blame Rice for that one, the ball came off the bat really weird and a professional hitter usually knows where it goes by how it feels and that kind of contact is generally very foul and if it starts fair, it spins foul quickly. I kind of blame the third base coach for not getting Rice's attention more quickly (I don't know what he did or didn't do), once Rice realized it was somehow staying fair, he ran very hard.
Gotta disagree. All season, we see guys running less than full speed down the line. Soto just did it a couple innings later. There is a complacency about this team, a lack of urgency, that keeps showing up. Judge is the only guy who runs everything out.
 

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DJ just fouled a ball straight down, and it bounced up and hit him in the neck. Earlier, he got hit by a pitch in the left hand. Long delay here but with an 0-2 count, he stays in the game. Strike three.
 

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Holmes tried to lose it. 106 mph screaming out that Gris tracks down. He can play CF!
 

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Holmes rarely looks comfortable lately, but at least the job got done tonight.

Edit: that last pitch looked nice though.
 

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Yankees close it out, I say to my wife 'man did they need that" and within thirty seconds Kay and Flaherty say 'need/needed' three times. Yes.
 

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Holmes with a clean, dominating bottom of the ninth. Tampa 0-for-10 in RISP situations. Grisham drove in both runs and made a game-saving catch in 8th.
 

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Holmes tried to lose it. 106 mph screaming out that Gris tracks down. He can play CF!
He is so good that he often cruises in second gear but when he has to run all out like that, he can cover ground.
 

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NY was 1-8 in their previous nine one run games, going back to early May.
 

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Yankees close it out, I say to my wife 'man did they need that" and within thirty seconds Kay and Flaherty say 'need/needed' three times. Yes.
Holmes needed that more than anyone. Maybe they can start to get others who are struggling back on track. Like Judge. When he homers, it seems to loosen everyone else up.

Soto is hitting around .200 since injuring a hand while sliding. He needs the all-star break more than anyone but there is no break for him.
 

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Free Jorbit Vivas.
Go ahead HR in the 7th just now in AAA, he has been crushing the past few weeks. He missed a few months after being hit with a ball in the face and having a fractured eye socket at the end of spring training, but he is back and gunning for a spot with NY now.
 

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Vexing is a good word: Synonyms are: annoying, bothersome, galling, grating, irritating, nettlesome, pesky, pestering, pestiferous, plaguey, plaguy, teasing, vexatious disagreeable.
 

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Tonkin gets the DP ball to escape a bases-loaded jam in fifth. Game still on.
 

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Soto in serious pain after two swinging misses to end top of 7th. Hand only hurts when he misses. Hate to be an old guy but this is what happened to Roger Maris in 1965. Eventually team doctors figured out he had a fractured hammate bone in his wrist. Played 46 games in pain before surgery but his power was gone.
 

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Cash outsmarted himself in 8th. Adam had got 4 outs on 13 pitches but Cash pulled him for a lefty, who put two runners on and then received a couple gift calls from the very human home plate ump. Cash is back calling for another pitcher.
 

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Pretty hard to walk Volpe but the latest reliever got it done. Bases loaded, two outs. This is almost exciting.
 

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Grisham pops to left. Top of order comes up for NY in ninth. You might think that’s a good thing but Verdugo is on cruise control, Soto is hurting, and Judge is slumping.

correction: 9-1-2 due up. Cabrera, Verdugo and Soto.
 

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It's so hard not to be negative about this team. From not scoring the runner from third with no outs in the first to Gleyber hacking at pitches off the plate with a guy wild in the 9th to Nestor not being able to get through 5 despite the bullpen being maxed out.

Add in the normal slew of injuries and it is an infuriating team that is inexplicably 17 games over .500.