2021 Pats: Possible Coaching Changes

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Not that I disagree with the decision but I believe that this is another yet example of the league changing the rules to eff the Pats after they blocked the Texans a few years ago.
 

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Obvious question now becomes does he try and get Josh McDaniels to come with him to Houston?
 

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Not that I disagree with the decision but I believe that this is another yet example of the league changing the rules to eff the Pats after they blocked the Texans a few years ago.
In almost any industry, rules blocking people from taking jobs they want to take are bullshit. It’s possible this is motivated by some anti-Pats sentiment but if so it’s a net positive so long as it is equally enforced across the league.
 

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This is where I am. I can't root for anyone associated with Easterby. I hope the Texans lose every game until he is fired.
You’re 100% in on that SI hit piece? I don’t know if I trust it. Belichick had this guy in the building, Caserio obviously likes him, on his podcast Lombardi kind of brushed of the SI piece saying all it told us was Easterby had enemies.

i am looking forward to seeing how it plays out. I get huckster vibes but I’m also a sucker for unconventional people or outsiders and this should be fun to watch.
 

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You’re 100% in on that SI hit piece? I don’t know if I trust it. Belichick had this guy in the building, Caserio obviously likes him, on his podcast Lombardi kind of brushed of the SI piece saying all it told us was Easterby had enemies.

i am looking forward to seeing how it plays out. I get huckster vibes but I’m also a sucker for unconventional people or outsiders and this should be fun to watch.
Belichick had him in the building and defined his role. Easterby earned his enemies.
 

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Anyone that wishes ill will on Caserio can suck a fat one.

Dudes been with the Patriots for 20 fucking years. From 25 to 45 years old. He got offered a GM position, which is basically the pinnacle for someone with his career path.

Aside from Brady, Belichick, and Kraft, basically only Caserio has been with the team for it's once in a lifetime historic run. I wish him nothing but luck in any endeavour that doesnt affect the Patriots.
 

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Belichick and the Krafts obviously knew that there was a distinct possibility that Caserio would leave this offseason. It's 100% on them if they don't have a list of replacement candidates at the ready. People leaving for better jobs is not something to get upset about.
 

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Is Eliott Wolf still with the Pats? He seems like a candidate to move into the chief non-Belichick personnel role.

His reputation for being more into traditional scouting and less analytics would play so well with the SOSH crowd...
 

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Is Eliott Wolf still with the Pats? He seems like a candidate to move into the chief non-Belichick personnel role.

His reputation for being more into traditional scouting and less analytics would play so well with the SOSH crowd...
He is. If Ziegler stays he’ll be the GM. If he leaves, then I think Wolf gets it.
 

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There’s a number of ways they could go if Ziegler leaves. Could bring back someone like Pioli/Dimitroff/Quinn. Could bring an outside voice in who has worked in a Pats-type organization. Could go with someone completely new like Louis Riddick.
Good points all.
 

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He is. If Ziegler stays he’ll be the GM. If he leaves, then I think Wolf gets it.
To be specific: he'll be Director of Player Personnel (Caserio's title). I don't expect Belichick will ever give someone the GM title.

Other options:
Joel Collier: he was actually a secondary coach for the Pats, then was Assistant GM under Pioli and Director of Player Personnel under Dimitroff. He's still in Atlanta but presumably they'll clean house once they have their GM
Dujuan Daniels was a national scout with the Pats, he's with Oakland now as Assistant Director of Player Personnel, so Caserio's role would be a step up
Brian Xanders was the GM in Denver when McDaniels was there. It seems like he's had his hands in a lot of pies (like, he's done IT / technology stuff, worked with the coaching staff as well as front office, etc.)
Lionel Vital was Assistant Director of College Scouting 01-04, worked in Baltimore for a couple years, then under Dimitroff as Director of Player Personnel. Currently Director of College Scouting for Dallas
Ray Farmer was briefly GM of the Browns; he was Director of Pro Personnel for Pioli with the Chiefs
Dave Caldwell (recently fired Jax GM) is another guy they could look at bringing in - he worked in Atlanta under Dimitroff and also under Bill Polian in Carolina and Indy

Brian Smith, Matt Groh, Steve Cargile, Ronnie McGill have all been with the team 10+ years, so it's not like they're all really green in scouting even if Ziegler leaves
 

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Who is the money man for the Pats? Do they have a salary cap guru? I ashamed to say I don’t know who does the contract negotiations.
 

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Who is the money man for the Pats? Do they have a salary cap guru? I ashamed to say I don’t know who does the contract negotiations.
I think Belichick, Caserio, and the Krafts (especially Jonathan) play a role here, but I think the name you are looking for is Richard Miller, whose official title is "Director of Research." He's been with the team since 1996 and been in this role since 2001. From the media guide: "Miller is responsible for managing the Patriots salary cap and player costs, player contract research and statistical trends, financial and strategic planning, and assisting the personnel department with draft, free agency, and game advance analytics."
 

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From Bedard's latest:

-> Before the Caserio move was known, a well-placed source said Belichick was sketching out prominent roles for Ziegler, but also Eliot Wolf, who came on in 2020 as a personnel consultant, in an effort to solve the team’s personnel woes.
-> If Ziegler lands in Denver, it is believed that Wolf will become the de facto personnel chief despite having zero prior experience in the Patriots’ system. There is wide concern about that, according to sources familiar with the Patriots’ front office.
-> Several former Patriots front office members are available, including Pioli, Mike Lombardi, fired Lions GM Bob Quinn and fired Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff.
-> Internally, college scouting coordinator Brian Smith and pro scout Steve Cargile are well-regarded.
"despite having zero prior experience in the Patriots’ system" There could be some positives in that.
 
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I really don't care for the Texans, but good for Caserio. If the price we pay as Patriots fans is good people getting promoted out of New England because Bill isn't going anywhere, so be it.
 

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I really don't care for the Texans, but good for Caserio. If the price we pay as Patriots fans is good people getting promoted out of New England because Bill isn't going anywhere, so be it.
Bill is going to be 69 years old in three months - at some point, don't we want a few of these people to stay around for succession-planning purposes?
 

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Bill is going to be 69 years old in three months - at some point, don't we want a few of these people to stay around for succession-planning purposes?
Only if you assume that the best way to treat the post-BB era is to promote from within. But I think there’s a strong case to be made that, once Belichick retires, a totally new approach/set of staff is the way to go because there’s not much evidence that anyone can effectively run a team “like Belichick” other than Belichick himself.
 

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Only if you assume that the best way to treat the post-BB era is to promote from within. But I think there’s a strong case to be made that, once Belichick retires, a totally new approach/set of staff is the way to go because there’s not much evidence that anyone can effectively run a team “like Belichick” other than Belichick himself.
This is a valid thought. I suspect when he goes that they take one shot at letting one of his underlings run the show, with a relatively short leash, and then go another direction.
 

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Bill is going to be 69 years old in three months - at some point, don't we want a few of these people to stay around for succession-planning purposes?
Steve and Brian are on the coaching staff.
 

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Only if you assume that the best way to treat the post-BB era is to promote from within. But I think there’s a strong case to be made that, once Belichick retires, a totally new approach/set of staff is the way to go because there’s not much evidence that anyone can effectively run a team “like Belichick” other than Belichick himself.
The Ravens over the last 20 years are a pretty strong counterpoint to this. Ozzie Newsome grew up in Belichick's scouting tradition in Cleveland.
 

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The Ravens over the last 20 years are a pretty strong counterpoint to this. Ozzie Newsome grew up in Belichick's scouting tradition in Cleveland.
They haven't won a playoff game since 2014. The Pats have won 3 Lombardis in that time. The Ravens and the Saints are overrated franchises.

I have faith that the Krafts will hire another great coach after BB retires. Their track record is pretty good.
 

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They haven't won a playoff game since 2014. The Pats have won 3 Lombardis in that time. The Ravens and the Saints are overrated franchises.

I have faith that the Krafts will hire another great coach after BB retires. Their track record is pretty good.
Kraft's track record involves getting sideways with a great coach he inherited (Bill Parcells) in the middle of what was a run of success, making a disastrous hire of Pete Carroll, who ran that success into the ground, and then hitting a home run with Belichick. It's a mixed bag. I don't have any special faith in Kraft sans Belichick, but others may disagree.
 

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They haven't won a playoff game since 2014. The Pats have won 3 Lombardis in that time. The Ravens and the Saints are overrated franchises.
I'm not saying the Ravens are not as good as the Patriots. But if your standard is "as good as the Patriots," 31 teams are found wanting. The Ravens are what, the 2nd or 3rd or 4th most successful franchise of the last 20-25 years?

This was in response to the idea Belichick disciples can't team-build. Ozzie was a pretty damn good team-builder, and he's a BB guy.
 

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Kraft's track record involves getting sideways with a great coach he inherited (Bill Parcells) in the middle of what was a run of success, making a disastrous hire of Pete Carroll, who ran that success into the ground, and then hitting a home run with Belichick. It's a mixed bag. I don't have any special faith in Kraft sans Belichick, but others may disagree.
He’s hired 3 coaches and all 3 are going to the Hall of Fame.
 

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No, he's hired two coaches. Parcells was here before him. He doesn't get credit for hiring Pete Carroll in my mind, that was an awful fit and a disaster, regardless of what Pete did a decade-plus later.
Yeah you’re right about Tuna, my bad. I would argue that the Carroll hire shows that Kraft has an eye for coaching talent, even if the fit was awful. But YMMV and I can see why you would argue otherwise.
 

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Kraft's biggest mistake was the hiring of Bobby Grier, who undermined both Parcells and later Carroll.