2019 Knicks: Living On A Prayer

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Instead of throw a max at KD they spent more per year on Randle, Portis, and Gibson, seems inefficient
 

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Dunno, if they can really sign Durant and Kyrie, I'm excited to see the kids develop around them. Robinson, Durant, Knox, Barrett, Kyrie, and Smith off the bench, sign me up.
I just want to extend my condolences about your ownership. You and Spike Lee deserve better.
 

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So the Knicks front office and coach want to put together a high character roster, and then they sign Bobby Portis?
 

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DOLAN: Who's good on our team?

GM: Well, really nobody, but we have Knox, Barrett, and Mitchell Robinson ... so at least some pieces to work with in our frontcourt.

DOLAN: How about Randle, or Bobby Portis, or a vet like Taj Gibson?

GM: I mean, I guess ... if you want a vet to accompany the guys I just mentioned. Which one?

DOLAN: One? I want all three of them.

GM: Shouldn't we at least try to get a shooting guard?

DOLAN: I hear Frankie Smokes has been working on his shot.
 

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Randle at 3/$64m. Taj at 2/$20m. Portis at 2/$31. Reggie Bullock at 2/$21m.

$57 million for one decent starter and some rotation fill. These short term deals can keep the FA dream alive in two years, but this has to be crushing for Knicks fans. On the bright side, they didn't jam up their books for four years by making two big long term overpays. They still have around $13m in FA money to fill out their roster.
 

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They still have around $13m in FA money to fill out their roster.
Which they just used a lot of to sign the greatest jazz composer of all time, Duke Ellington!!!!

Oh, Wayne Ellington, never mind. 2/16, and the influx of overpriced mediocrity continues...
 

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The Knicks haven't been a consistently great franchise in general, but these past 20 years have been unlike anything you could have expected. One playoff series win in 20 years. ONE! Many wasted seasons. Bad ownership. Scandals. It's a joke, Dolan is possibly the worst owner in sports.
 

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The ticket buyers are completely complicit too, insane that they have been supporting him still in recent years.
 

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Jason Concepcion of The Ringer put it well on Twitter just now:

"Two things are true:

-the Knicks—with young players on the roster, vets on short deals, and draft picks to come—are in good position to rebuild

-they will likely never follow through on the rebuild bc of dolan"
 

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The Knicks haven't been a consistently great franchise in general, but these past 20 years have been unlike anything you could have expected. One playoff series win in 20 years. ONE! Many wasted seasons. Bad ownership. Scandals. It's a joke, Dolan is possibly the worst owner in sports.
That was Carmelo v. the Celtics, right? Uggggh.
 

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The Randle signing was good, he's a really good offensive player, but everything since then is a disaster. Why spend so much on mediocre guys? No one is paying to see Ellington and Payton. Just keep the cap space open and they could have made a deal in season. Now they're hands are tied with players that nobody wants. Jason C is lost, even if they are short deals they were deals they didn't have to make. Let the kids play and tank. Appropriate that they filled their cap up with bad players on Bobby Bonilla Day, they really are the Mets.
 

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So it has been noted all the deals except Randle are 1+1 so flexibility is built in as is tradeability. Still dumb since taking bad deals would likely bring better assets than trading mediocre vets on short deals
 

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The Knicks haven't been a consistently great franchise in general, but these past 20 years have been unlike anything you could have expected. One playoff series win in 20 years. ONE! Many wasted seasons. Bad ownership. Scandals. It's a joke, Dolan is possibly the worst owner in sports.
They have refused to "rebuild" for 20 years. Meantime the Celtics have been awful then rebuilt. The Lakers awful, then rebuilt. But they refuse to just go full rebuild. Hell, 2 17 win seasons and they still wont rebuild.
 

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The Randle signing was good, he's a really good offensive player, but everything since then is a disaster. Why spend so much on mediocre guys? No one is paying to see Ellington and Payton. Just keep the cap space open and they could have made a deal in season. Now they're hands are tied with players that nobody wants. Jason C is lost, even if they are short deals they were deals they didn't have to make. Let the kids play and tank. Appropriate that they filled their cap up with bad players on Bobby Bonilla Day, they really are the Mets.
Or, as others have already suggested, if you really feel the need to use up cap space why not seek out deals where you can be the third team in a deal where other teams are looking to unload contracts for matching purposes, etc. - basically what Dallas did (or might be doing) in connection with the Butler-to-Miami deal. At least then you can accumulate some assets in the form of either late-round/protected future picks or players who could be spun off down the road in connection with other, more important deals.
 

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Or, as others have already suggested, if you really feel the need to use up cap space why not seek out deals where you can be the third team in a deal where other teams are looking to unload contracts for matching purposes, etc. - basically what Dallas did (or might be doing) in connection with the Butler-to-Miami deal. At least then you can accumulate some assets in the form of either late-round/protected future picks or players who could be spun off down the road in connection with other, more important deals.
100 times this. The Clippers just got a pick for taking on Moe Harkless. Memphis got a pick for taking on one year of Iggy. Meanwhile, the Knicks are putting together a bunch of meh in hopes of dumping them all next year to open cap room to attract an unidentified max player. Terrible work by the Knicks.
 
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ifmanis5

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Or, as others have already suggested, if you really feel the need to use up cap space why not seek out deals where you can be the third team in a deal where other teams are looking to unload contracts for matching purposes, etc. - basically what Dallas did (or might be doing) in connection with the Butler-to-Miami deal. At least then you can accumulate some assets in the form of either late-round/protected future picks or players who could be spun off down the road in connection with other, more important deals.
Absolutely and well said. Just collecting the vig on deals like this can add assets to a war chest. But nope, gotta keep up appearances with Bullock, Ellington and Payton. The whole league is laughing at them.
 

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Everyone has a point that they could have tried to grab some bad contracts but for the first offseason, they got a bit better, they're still very flexible for when the next superstar throws a tantrum and wants to be traded, and they do have a pretty decent young core. If Barret or Knox hit, the Knicks become a fun team to watch. If they don't, well, they weren't going to tank two seasons in a row.
 

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As a Knicks fan, this off-season is okay. The contracts are reasonable, and I think there has to be some progress towards credibility which the Knicks don't have. They may even be watchable again.
 

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So what is a guess at the lineup?

C: Mitchell Robinson, Bobby Portis
PF: Julius Randle, Taj Gibson
SF: Kevin Knox, Reggie Bullock
SG: RJ Barrett, Wayne Ellington, Alonzo Trier
PG: Elfrid Payton, Dennis Smith Jr, Frank Ntikilina

Am I forgetting anyone?

Payton/Robinson both Louisiana boys, maybe MSG can open a $20 beignet stand.
 

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They're trying to build a culture and play hard, and while they do this, they're hoping a player or two whose rights they control can be developed into a superstar. Considering that the (tied for) seventh worst team just won a franchise player in the new lottery system, maybe rolling out a 33 win team while trying to develop a winning program is the only way to go when your front office knows that its more than apparent that no superstar FA wants any part of James Dolan.
 

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Summer league championship is not looking so good. From Rotoworld:

RJ Barrett, who came into Tuesday's game on a 7-of-33 shooting slump in Vegas, hit 6-of-14 shots and a 3-pointer for 17 points, 10 rebounds, six assists, three blocks and just one turnover in 28 minutes.
The shooting still wasn't really there, but at least Knicks fans have a stat line they can get behind from their prized rookie. The Knicks are 0-3 in Vegas and tensions are running high, as the entire team, sans, Summer League invitee Tyler Cavanaugh, went straight to the locker room after the game instead of shaking hands with the Raptors, who were all lined up at half court, waiting to shake hands.
 

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Dolan is not only ruining the Knicks, he's gone bi-coastal...
Adam Silver tried and failed to pitch a compromise to Dolan and broker a meeting between the Knicks owner and Clippers owner Steve Ballmer.
We're likely a ways away from a Donald T. Sterling situation but this would be another bulletpoint for the memo.
 

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wow, crazy stuff. I hadn't even realized the degree to which Dolan was responsible for squashing the Jets' proposed west side stadium (on what is now the Hudson railyards and various residential towers nearby).

Sounds like Linda Rambis is playing both sides, too.